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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2022 11:58 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:


Could be.

But, she may have done the right thing. Let's see if there is an appeal...and how that resolves.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2022 12:12 pm
@hightor,
I'm not familiar with the role of a special master. (As far as I could find out, it only a position in the law of the USA.)

Trump, respectively his lawyers, asked for a "neutral special master".
I found something about "Consent Masters", "Trial Masters, "Pretrial and Post-Trial Masters", but what would be a "neutral" special master?
snood
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2022 12:40 pm
I’ve been listening to several takes by putative legal experts.

The consensus I’ve gleaned is that there was always going to be a “special master” requested. The purpose is for an objective party to sort through the material that was confiscated to determine if any of it is the rightful property of the searched person.

Since everyone already knows that the FBI only had an interest in taking documents that were wrongfully absconded with (most having clear designations showing their sensitive nature), the special master in this case serves one purpose - to delay matters.

Trump’s team is obviously hoping the delay can morph into a clusterfuck that somehow gets Trump off the hook.
hightor
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2022 12:57 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
But, she may have done the right thing.

I suppose...at least it takes away the Trumpanzee's opportunity to further the idea that the Department of Justice is being "weaponized" against former guy. And if it takes two months it avoids the "problem" of an open criminal investigation of a political figure in the run-up to the elections.

These are stolen documents reaching all the way to Top Secret, not confidential communication between Trump and others in the executive branch which might warrant executive or attorney-client privilege. Who appoints the Master – one of the judges appointed by Trump?
snood
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2022 01:03 pm
I think some of you are not especially clear about what REPUBLICAN CONTROL OF THE COURTS actually means.
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2022 01:15 pm

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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2022 01:45 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

I'm not familiar with the role of a special master. (As far as I could find out, it only a position in the law of the USA.)

Trump, respectively his lawyers, asked for a "neutral special master".
I found something about "Consent Masters", "Trial Masters, "Pretrial and Post-Trial Masters", but what would be a "neutral" special master?



The "neutral" part is supposedly insured by the fact that both parties are supposed to nominate individuals and one, approved by both, chosen. If no nominee is accepted by both, the judge MAY be able to appoint one.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2022 01:49 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:


I’ve been listening to several takes by putative legal experts.

The consensus I’ve gleaned is that there was always going to be a “special master” requested. The purpose is for an objective party to sort through the material that was confiscated to determine if any of it is the rightful property of the searched person.

Since everyone already knows that the FBI only had an interest in taking documents that were wrongfully absconded with (most having clear designations showing their sensitive nature), the special master in this case serves one purpose - to delay matters.

Trump’s team is obviously hoping the delay can morph into a clusterfuck that somehow gets Trump off the hook.


DoJ may agree to a special master without going to appeal. The appeal itself is a delaying tactic...and would in effect be playing into Trump's hands.

Delay is Trump's ONLY defense. So I understand his using it. I think its value is limited, because most of this is not going to be resolved before the November election.

Trump is scum...and scum soils. No getting away from that. We have not seen the end of the bullshit he is going to put America through because he is a crook.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2022 01:51 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
But, she may have done the right thing.

I suppose...at least it takes away the Trumpanzee's opportunity to further the idea that the Department of Justice is being "weaponized" against former guy. And if it takes two months it avoids the "problem" of an open criminal investigation of a political figure in the run-up to the elections.

These are stolen documents reaching all the way to Top Secret, not confidential communication between Trump and others in the executive branch which might warrant executive or attorney-client privilege. Who appoints the Master – one of the judges appointed by Trump?


It is a work out between the parties, although a judge (one appointed by Trump) may be the final decider. The delay is the thing. No one...even a Trump appointed judge is going to keep the important stuff out of the case.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2022 01:53 pm
@snood,
Aren't you glad that Joe Biden has appointed more Federal Judgeships than W, Barack Obama and the Orange Shitgibbon put together?

That a significant number of 45 appointed Judges have ruled against him in the 60+ filings he and his minions have made - he won one.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2022 01:54 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

I think some of you are not especially clear about what REPUBLICAN CONTROL OF THE COURTS actually means.


It is a problem, Snood. I am hoping it is not as extensive or severe as you, and many others, are thinking right now. If it is...if the judicial branch ends up aiding Trump significantly...America is finished.

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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2022 01:58 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Aren't you glad that Joe Biden has appointed more Federal Judgeships than W, Barack Obama and the Orange Shitgibbon put together?


Is that actually true...or are you just screwing around here, Bobsal?

If it is true, it astonishes me.

Quote:


That a significant number of 45 appointed Judges have ruled against him in the 60+ filings he and his minions have made - he won one.


That I can understand. Trump's cases are so weak, it matters not who appoints the judges in his cases. But lots of conservative judges can have long lasting impact on the general direction of things.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2022 02:39 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Yes, I’m glad about the federal judges Biden got in.

This “special master” boondoggle is going to clog procedures for at LEAST a year.

We’ve got a Trump appointed (shopped-for and hand-picked for this ruling) judge who is going to choose the special master.

Judge Cannon has discretion over how long it takes to choose the special master, and god only knows how long after being selected they will stretch out the “examination of the documents”.

If the DOJ appeals, it will be to the 11th Circuit - which is lousy with Trump appointed judges. Who knows how long it will take them to make a decision?

If appeals go beyond that, it may go to the Supreme Court, which is now in the iron grip of right wing zealots- 3 of whom were appointed by the criminal whose appeal they would be hearing.

Keep in mind that while all of this smoke and mirrors is going on, the very first thing Judge Cannon did was call for a halt to the ongoing investigation.

All the forensic investigation, everything must cease and desist until there is a determination made that the special master and all the appeals didn’t produce any wrongfully confiscated documents.

I just said yesterday that our crooked in-justice system is going to find an excuse to let Trump slide.

This sure feels like that.
snood
 
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Reply Mon 5 Sep, 2022 03:34 pm
@snood,
The 11th District Court of appeals has 12 circuit judges. On the present court, six of the 12 are Trump appointed.
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hightor
 
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Reply Tue 6 Sep, 2022 02:47 am
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Today, on the federal holiday of Labor Day, Judge Aileen M. Cannon of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida granted former president Trump’s request for a special master to review the nearly 11,000 documents FBI agents seized in their search of the Trump Organization’s property at Mar-a-Lago on August 8.

The special master will examine the documents, some of which have the highest classification markings, to remove personal items or those covered by attorney-client privilege or those that might be covered by executive privilege (although President Joe Biden, who holds the presidency and thus should be able to determine that privilege, has waived it). The order temporarily stops the Department of Justice from reviewing or using the materials as part of their investigation into Trump’s mishandling of classified information.

That is, a Trump-appointed judge, confirmed by the Senate on November 13, 2020, after Trump had lost the election, has stepped between the Department of Justice and the former president in the investigation of classified documents stolen from the government.

Legal analysts appear to be appalled by the poor quality of the opinion. Former U.S. acting solicitor general Neal Katyal called it “so bad it’s hard to know where to begin.” Law professor Stephen Vladeck told Charlie Savage of the New York Times that it was “an unprecedented intervention…into the middle of an ongoing federal criminal and national security investigation.” Paul Rosenzweig, a prosecutor in the independent counsel investigation of Bill Clinton, told Savage it was “a genuinely unprecedented decision” and said stopping the criminal investigation was “simply untenable.” Duke University law professor Samuel Buell added: “To any lawyer with serious federal criminal court experience…, this ruling is laughably bad…. Trump is getting something no one else ever gets in federal court, he’s getting it for no good reason, and it will not in the slightest reduce the ongoing howls that he’s being persecuted, when he is being privileged.”

The judge justified her decision because she was “mindful of the need to ensure at least the appearance of fairness and integrity under the extraordinary circumstances presented.”

Energy and politics reporter David Roberts of Volts pointed out that this is a common pattern for MAGA Republicans. First, they spread lies and conspiracy theories, then they act based on the “appearance” that something is shady. “So this… judge says Trump deserves extraordinary, unprecedented latitude because of the ‘extraordinary circumstances’ and the ‘swirling questions about bias.’ But her fellow reactionaries were the only ones raising questions of bias! It’s a perfectly sealed feedback loop,” and one the right wing has perfected over “voter fraud.”

As political scientist Brendan Nyhan points out, bad-faith attacks on our democratic processes open the door for changing those processes.

Something else jumps out about the judge’s construction, though: it makes MAGA Republicans the only ones whose sentiments matter. This is the same construction President Andrew Johnson used to justify his plan to end Reconstruction and remove troops from the South in December 1865. He told Congress that using the army to protect new governments there “would have divided the people into the vanquishers and the vanquished, and would have envenomed hatred rather than restored affection.” Missing from Johnson’s equation were the four million Black southerners who, in fact, welcomed the injection of the weight of the federal government into the former Confederate states.

The idea that Cannon felt obliged to reassure MAGA Republicans that Trump is being treated fairly, rather than the rest of us that the rule of law is being protected, redefines the American public and American principles.

The neutrality of the law is central to democracy. But it is increasingly under question as Republican-appointed judges make decisions that disregard settled law, and Cannon’s decision will not help. She actually singles out Trump as having a different relationship to the law than the rest of us in a number of ways, but especially when she expresses concern over how his reputation could be hurt by an indictment: “As a function of Plaintiff’s former position as President of the United States, the stigma associated with the subject seizure is in a league of its own. A future indictment, based to any degree on property that ought to be returned, would result in reputational harm of a decidedly different order of magnitude.”

This attack on the rule of law—the idea that the laws apply to everyone equally—has been underway since the administration of Ronald Reagan, when Attorney General Edwin Meese set out to, as he said, “institutionalize the Reagan revolution so it can’t be set aside no matter what happens in future presidential elections.” Contrary to established procedures at the Department of Justice, Reagan appointees began to quiz candidates for judgeships about their views on abortion and affirmative action, to tilt the direction in which the courts would rule.

The 1982 establishment of the Federalist Society, made up of lawyers determined to roll back the legal decisions of the post–World War II era, made it easier to tilt the courts. Those lawyers stood against what they called “judicial activism,” decisions that justified the expansion of a federal government that regulated business, provided a basic social safety net, protected civil rights, and promoted infrastructure.

As Republican policies grew less popular, party leaders focused not on adjusting their policies, but on filling judgeships with judges who would rule in their favor in lawsuits. This focus was so strong by the time of Trump’s predecessor, President Barack Obama, that then–Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) stalled confirmations for Obama’s nominees, banking on leaving vacancies for a new president to fill. Most dramatically, of course, he refused to permit a hearing for Obama’s nominee for a Supreme Court seat in March 2016, inventing a new rule that that date was too close to the upcoming November election to allow the nomination to proceed.

This left the seat free for Trump to appoint Neil Gorsuch, who could not make it through the Senate until McConnell used the so-called “nuclear option” to get rid of the filibuster for Supreme Court appointments, which enabled him to squeak through with just 51 votes.

Trump and McConnell—who was known for saying, “Leave no vacancy behind”—made reshaping the federal judiciary their top priority. McConnell approved the new judges with vigor, keeping the Senate confirming them during the pandemic, for example, even when all other business stopped. And he continued to push through appointments—like that of Judge Cannon—even after Trump lost the election.

Philosopher Jason Stanley of Yale University, best known for his 2018 book How Fascism Works, tweeted today: “Once you have the courts you can pretty much do whatever you want.”

Cannon’s decision addresses only the criminal investigation of the former president by the Department of Justice, and it is not clear how much of a delay it will create. While that is on hold, at least temporarily, the intelligence assessment by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence will proceed without check. It is still unclear what documents are missing, and who has had unauthorized access to the information Trump took.

This breach of our national security has the potential to be catastrophic.

Trump certainly appears to think the game is not yet over. Once again today, he attacked the FBI and the DOJ and demanded the results of the 2020 election be overturned.

hcr
Builder
 
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Reply Tue 6 Sep, 2022 02:50 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Trump certainly appears to think the game is not yet over. Once again today, he attacked the FBI and the DOJ and demanded the results of the 2020 election be overturned.


His support base is unprecedented, politically.
Creepy Joe is languishing at less than 30%.
hightor
 
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Reply Tue 6 Sep, 2022 02:56 am
@Builder,
Pleasant dreams, sleepyhead.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 6 Sep, 2022 04:16 am
@Builder,
Never gonna happen.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 6 Sep, 2022 04:46 am
@Builder,
Stop your bullshit. Bjden is aroud low 40
S. Not 30. And trump has never had the votes to win.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 6 Sep, 2022 07:01 am
@Builder,
Who in the **** do you think you are, Don Trump Jr, Jr?

"Unprecedented." He's legend in your own mind.

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