Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

The fact is the war in Afghan was lost the day we started it. No one wins there ever.

Wrong. We did not start the war. They attacked us.

And wrong again. The war was not lost until Traitor Joe sold the Afghan people out to the Taliban.

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

I hope they take the lesson and make peace with Iran.

It is not possible for us to make peace with an adversary who refuses to make peace.

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@oralloy,

You have a point. That's why America has to stand up for Israel no matter its president is a Republican or Democrat.

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@oralloy,

The Economist also published an article making a case that America could have found another way out instead of being driven out of Afghanistan like this. Russia and its news outlets are lampooning America's retreat.

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A foreign movie channel even used an American movie called A Dog's Way Home to heap scorn on America's retreat, according to CNN and Quartz

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I’m not alone in thinking Trump will never face any real consequences. His own niece thinks the same.

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Some Taliban soldiers were seen faffing around the streets with ice cream in their hands. They also visited an amusement park and had some fun.

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AOC: I'm the smartest girl on earth. I know how to help America's adversaries without being caught.

Cuba and the Taliban: Thank you.

Putin: Baby, keep rocking the boat

AOC: Roger that.

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someone wrote:

They attacked us.

Not one of the September 11 hijackers, all members of al-Qaeda, were from Afghanistan. Fifteen of them were citizens of Saudi Arabia, two were from the United Arab Emirates, one was from Lebanon, and one from Egypt. The USA was justified in pursuing bin Laden and punishing the Taliban which hosted the al-Qaeda training camps, but embarking on a land war and attempting to rebuild Afghanistan and transform it into a democratic state – a neo-conservative fantasy – was a mistake, and ill-conceived from the beginning. Starting an additional war in Iraq a few years later was an act of monumental stupidity. Trillions of dollars were wasted while gap-toothed idiots waved USAmerican flags, chanted "USA USA", and pigged out on "freedom fries".

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@hightor,

hightor wrote:

someone wrote:
They attacked us.

Not one of the September 11 hijackers, all members of al-Qaeda, were from Afghanistan. Fifteen of them were citizens of Saudi Arabia, two were from the United Arab Emirates, one was from Lebanon, and one from Egypt. The USA was justified in pursuing bin Laden and punishing the Taliban which hosted the al-Qaeda training camps, but embarking on a land war and attempting to rebuild Afghanistan and transform it into a democratic state – a neo-conservative fantasy – was a mistake, and ill-conceived from the beginning. Starting an additional war in Iraq a few years later was an act of monumental stupidity. Trillions of dollars were wasted while gap-toothed idiots waved USAmerican flags, chanted "USA USA", and pigged out on "freedom fries".

AMEN!

And I'd like to add: While many former presidents realized that we had made a mistake in this undertaking...and realized it was time to acknowledge the mistake and get out...ALL OF THEM (W. Bush, Obama, and Trump) just kicked the can down the street. Joe Biden did the politically expensive thing...he ended the thing.

Yeah, it is a ****-show...and "getting out" was always was going to be a ****-show. Bush, Obama, and Trump did not have the balls to have the ****-show on their record...but Joe Biden has done it.

Good on him.

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Once the **** stirrers quiet down the public will likely accept Joe's action. Right now every place you look they are crying disaster, as though the ongoing disaster had not been enough.

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@edgarblythe,

Bothers me that some time of the ****-stirrers are Democrats.
1) None of them have any useful ideas about how the pullout should have happened.
2) Any ideas they have would be pointless retrospection anyway.
3) Democrats need to be supportive of Biden and not joining the fools tearing him down for what was a very difficult and (as Frank said) politically risky decision.

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Over here all the criticism is being levelled at the Tories, especially Johnson and Raab.

The criticism I have heard are that Trump conceded a lot very early on without any concessions from the Taliban this emboldening them further.

Afghanistan has a fighting season, usually Spring to Autumn with them spending the Winter on the farm planting crops etc.

Biden made a symbolic decision to clear out before the 20th anniversary of 9/11. That was self imposed and political, and it lead to the Taliban saying they had won back in April and America pulled out at the start of the fighting season.

Nobody knows what would have happened had Biden waited until the end of the fighting season, but the Taliban wouldn’t have been able to move quite as quickly.

Whether or not that would have given the government time to successfully resist the Taliban is debatable, but they would have had a better chance.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Over here all the criticism is being levelled at the Tories, especially Johnson and Raab.

The criticism I have heard are that Trump conceded a lot very early on without any concessions from the Taliban this emboldening them further.

Afghanistan has a fighting season, usually Spring to Autumn with them spending the Winter on the farm planting crops etc.

Biden made a symbolic decision to clear out before the 20th anniversary of 9/11. That was self imposed and political, and it lead to the Taliban saying they had won back in April and America pulled out at the start of the fighting season.

Nobody knows what would have happened had Biden waited until the end of the fighting season, but the Taliban wouldn’t have been able to move quite as quickly.

Whether or not that would have given the government time to successfully resist the Taliban is debatable, but they would have had a better chance.

Yeah.

Anyway...finding reason NOT TO DO what has to be done...is fairly easy.

DOING WHAT HAS TO BE DONE...and taking the inevitable heat...is not so easy.

Joe Biden knew what had to be done...and he did it.

No matter who did it or how that person did it...there was going to be a huge price to pay, because "getting out" is ALWAYS messy.

I'm delighted someone finally did what had to be done...and like everyone else, I am lamenting the inevitable chaos that has ensued.

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No matter how he handled it the folks clamoring to get out of the country would have presented the same scenario. It was always going to be a madhouse at the end.

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@Frank Apisa,

He could have done it better.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

He could have done it better.

EVERYTHING EVERY PRESIDENT HAS EVER DONE...COULD HAVE BEEN DONE BETTER.

Everything I've ever done...could have been done better.

My guess is that damn near everything anyone has ever done...could have been done better.

He DID what had to be done.

None of the others did.

So, yes...it could have been done better.

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@Frank Apisa,

I was just pointing out the legitimate criticism of Biden’s actions.

Quitting at the beginning of the fighting season instead of the end just to make some anniversary is foolhardy.

It’s not what a statesman would do, it’s the behaviour of a political opportunist.

I’m aware you’re reluctant to criticise him after Trump, but nobody is sacrosanct.

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@izzythepush,

You see Biden’s withdrawal as political opportunism?

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@snood,

Leaving just to make an anniversary date is.

That seemed the overriding concern, get out before September, not withdraw in an orderly manner.

As I have already said, it would have made more sense to wait until the fighting season ended.

The only reason Biden didn’t do that was to make some anniversary.

That is political opportunism.

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