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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
edgarblythe
 
  2  
Wed 11 Aug, 2021 12:36 pm
@oralloy,
It would be hard to name a crime Trump is innocent of. Regardless of what somebody else in another context may have done, we are focused on just one being.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 11 Aug, 2021 12:49 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
It would be hard to name a crime Trump is innocent of.

So why can't you name a crime that he has committed?


edgarblythe wrote:
Regardless of what somebody else in another context may have done, we are focused on just one being.

No we aren't. Giving Democrats a free pass to commit crimes means you lack the credibility to accuse Republicans of crimes.
blatham
 
  1  
Wed 11 Aug, 2021 03:34 pm
@snood,
I have no doubt at all that your life - or the life of any African American - is different from a white person like myself or the others here. I feel similarly about my privileges in being a male. I also understand that I cannot fully appreciate how the world looks to a black or a woman, as my daughter often reminds me.

And yes, injustice is the issue both in your daily life and as regards what Trump might or might not face.

But I don't think I'm the proper target for your anger any more than you'd be the proper target for a woman's anger at patriarchy. I'd love to see Trump in jail but my attitude or my emotional state regarding this will have no effect on whether justice is done. Likewise what I write here about whether I think he'll face justice or not isn't going to alter outcomes.

Our personal life experiences determine much of what will bring about such anger. And there's LOTS to be angry about for any of us. But do we end up with a better world if, say, Richard Pryor, Dave Chapelle and Elaine May were just angry voices?
snood
 
  0  
Wed 11 Aug, 2021 04:17 pm
@blatham,
Blatham, we ain’t Dave Chapelle.

You can’t police my tone.

I wasn’t making you the target of all my life frustrations.

I was reacting to your flippancy about something I take more seriously than you do.
Builder
 
  -1  
Wed 11 Aug, 2021 10:26 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
So why can't you name a crime that he has committed?


They seem to think that being impeached twice, without a result (other than making the accusers look like cockheads) is a crime.
MontereyJack
 
  0  
Thu 12 Aug, 2021 04:23 am
@Builder,
since the juries were republican senators and were clearly biased lickspittle toadies of the president, who would do anything for him, as we knew they would be, there was absolutely no justice there. He was guilty he tried to foment a coup aginst the american people. he's guilty of charityyfrau, tax evasion, abuse of power, a virtually endless list.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 12 Aug, 2021 05:33 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
there was absolutely no justice there.

That is incorrect. Dismissing an illegitimate witch hunt is completely just.


MontereyJack wrote:
He was guilty

Guilty of what? The Democrats impeached him for something that isn't even wrong for a president to do.


MontereyJack wrote:
he tried to foment a coup against the american people.

The far left is not the American people. And a peaceful protest is not a coup.


MontereyJack wrote:
he's guilty of charity fraud, tax evasion, abuse of power, a virtually endless list.

The Democrats are the ones who are guilty of abuse of power. Using your power to conduct witch hunts against people that you disagree with is an abuse of power.

As for the rest of your list, I'd ask for your evidence, but given the Democrats' history of fabricating evidence against innocent people, there would be no reason to believe you even if you could provide evidence.

And then there is the question of why we should even care, even if you had evidence that we could somehow believe, when the Democrats didn't care when Bill Clinton was committing all those felonies in the White House.
blatham
 
  1  
Thu 12 Aug, 2021 07:27 am
@snood,
Quote:
Blatham, we ain’t Dave Chapelle.

That's sure enough the truth. I was making a case for the role and value of humor and light-heartedness in our dealings with others. Twain, Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert etc are all serious people but the good work they do or did arrives via humor.

Quote:
You can’t police my tone.
But isn't that precisely what you're doing with me?

Quote:
I was reacting to your flippancy about something I take more seriously than you do.
I understand that. But it seems a certainty that there are aspects of politics which I or others will take more seriously than you and yet not react by tossing out angry insults.

I don't take any of this as a big thing. We're all imperfect creatures. I like you and I don't store up grudges.

Want to shake hands?

farmerman
 
  1  
Thu 12 Aug, 2021 09:24 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
hat is incorrect. Dismissing an illegitimate witch hunt is completely just
If it were a witch hunt then ll hi senate judges were members of his coven. He got off because of toadieness in the extreme
snood
 
  0  
Thu 12 Aug, 2021 09:40 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

But isn't that precisely what you're doing with me?


You may have a point - I’m not sure. I have to think whether there’s a difference between me suggesting you’re being a smartass and your suggesting I was too mean.

All the ways of men are justified in their own eyes.

Quote:
I was reacting to your flippancy about something I take more seriously than you do.



blatham wrote:
I understand that. But it seems a certainty that there are aspects of politics which I or others will take more seriously than you and yet not react by tossing out angry insults.


“It seems a certainty”?
Only if you can read minds and tell the future.

Seems to me that if I crack wise about something near and dear to someone, I may deserve an insult.

blatham wrote:

I don't take any of this as a big thing. We're all imperfect creatures. I like you and I don't store up grudges.

Want to shake hands?


Sure thing.
I like you too, Blatham. But let’s just fist bump - until this delta thing passes.


blatham
 
  1  
Thu 12 Aug, 2021 10:09 am
@snood,
Quote:
Sure thing.
I like you too, Blatham. But let’s just fist bump - until this delta thing passes.

That got a laugh out of me. It's a deal.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 12 Aug, 2021 11:47 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
He got off because of toadieness in the extreme

No. He got off because he didn't do anything wrong.
glitterbag
 
  1  
Thu 12 Aug, 2021 02:14 pm
@oralloy,
Do you understand why rational people find you insufferable? First you deny that Trump has ever done anything illegal, then you demand someone tell you one instance, the other person gives you an example (and hoo boy, there are a ton of crimes involving Trump who is still trying to overthrow the American system of Government i.e the Constitution) and your simplistic answer is just "No he didn't", or my favorite "when white toothless assholes in battle gear and big bushy beards go on a rampage, smear their feces on the walls, ransack other peoples property, attack policemen, gouge out eyes, chant hang Mike Pence, carry a confederate flag in the capital building.............., that's a peaceful protest". It's impossible, not because they are wrong, but you will never admit being wrong, so what's the point?. I'm not entirely convinced you say such outrageous things because you actually believe them or it's a game you play because you have no social skills and you desperately hope you can keep the conversation going by being obnoxious and obstinate.

Personally I don't care either way. I just think it's sad, you might be able to engage in interesting conversation but you have yourself stuck in a such a rut you don't know how to fix it. Hopefully this behaviour is something that will not fill you with regret at a later date. It won't affect my life, my sense of self is not dependent on your scorn or praise. It's hard to imagine you are happy with your life, not when you spend so much time trying to insult or belittle others. Your happiness is in your hands alone, so all you have to do is pick the direction you want to follow.

If you do what you usually do and respond by taking each sentence and repeating the same childish insult as a 'SNORT' retort, I won't bother to respond. It's fine with me, just know you are only proving to all the others that you have the disposition of a spoiled 7 year old throwing the same tired old tantrum. Good luck to you.
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Thu 12 Aug, 2021 02:26 pm
@glitterbag,
nailed it
oralloy
 
  1  
Thu 12 Aug, 2021 02:27 pm
@glitterbag,
Rational people do not find me insufferable. You do not speak for any rational person.

I am always quick to admit it when I am wrong. However I am almost never wrong.

That you find facts and logic to be outrageous says a lot about you.

You are lying when you say I insult people. You are a hypocrite as well, since you do use such tactics.

Now if you don't mind, I'm going to go back to the latest news about the body count in the UK. It looks like having a disarmed populace turned out to be a bad idea after all.
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BillW
 
  2  
Thu 12 Aug, 2021 02:28 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
it's a game you play because you have no social skills and you desperately hope you can keep the conversation going by being obnoxious and obstinate.


Eddie Haskell!
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Rebelofnj
 
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Thu 12 Aug, 2021 02:28 pm
As a reminder, idiotic conspiracy theorists, including the CEO of MyPillow, believe that Donald Trump will be reinstated as President of the United States on August 13. Somehow.

Quote:
MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, a pro-Trump businessman who spread misinformation that the 2020 election was a fraud, has claimed that Trump would be back by Aug. 13, 2021.

Maggie Haberman, Washington correspondent for The New York Times, said in a tweet on June 1, 2021: “ Trump has been telling a number of people he’s in contact with that he expects he will get reinstated by August (no that isn’t how it works but simply sharing the information).”

The claims that Trump will be reinstated appear to be linked to the widely debunked QAnon conspiracy theory. Some supporters of QAnon, which espouses that former President Trump is secretly fighting a cabal of child-sex predators that includes prominent Democrats, Hollywood elites and “deep state” allies (here ), have claimed that Biden is not really president and that the military is secretly in power until Trump returns to office.

Supporters have unsuccessfully claimed several dates that Trump would be back in office, such as on inauguration day (Jan. 20) and March 4.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-trump-reinstated-idUSL1N2OV1W3

I just wanted to bring up this article to show that there are plenty of Trump supporters who are not very bright and delusional. Just in case someone wanted to claim otherwise.
oralloy
 
  0  
Thu 12 Aug, 2021 02:29 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
nailed it

Hardly. It was just her usual lies and hypocrisy.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 12 Aug, 2021 02:33 pm
@Rebelofnj,
Rebelofnj wrote:
I just wanted to bring up this article to show that there are plenty of Trump supporters who are not very bright and delusional. Just in case someone wanted to claim otherwise.

And we have the example of your own posts to show that there are plenty of progressives who are the same.
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roger
 
  1  
Thu 12 Aug, 2021 03:23 pm
@glitterbag,
SNORT!
 

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