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Monitoring Biden and other Contemporary Events

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2021 10:33 am
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It sort of interesting how many scandals Starr's been involved with (not in). All the way back to Packwood.
Yes, that struck me as well.

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And of course, the other thing is that he purports to be such a high-minded exemplar of moral rectitude
. That contradiction is the thing. And though such divergences between moral pose and actual life lived does not always wreak the sort of damage it should, very commonly it does limit or even remove such individuals from positions of high standing.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2021 10:47 am
@blatham,
Except… there is no such divergence here.

Progressive delusion is no substitute for reality.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2021 10:56 am
@oralloy,
The conservative delusion that progressives are deluded is the real irreality.
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2021 11:02 am
@snood,
Quote:
All it does is provide water cooler gossip and give people a sense of being on moral high ground for a moment. In other words, nothing.
Neither of your two premises are correct, it seems to me, neither motivation nor consequence. It wasn't the motivation of the Republican associate of his who wrote the piece nor is it mine. I don't (in most instances) care who is ******* whom. If a priest is gay, I am unmoved. If however he's a leading member of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops moving to deny Communion to Biden found frequenting gay bars, then let's make that known.

As to your suggestion that no consequences follow from dissemination of credible accounts of such individuals' acts and hypocrisy, I think that's wrong as well. The Catholic Bishop mentioned above has lost his position. Dinesh D'Souza is now pretty much limited to right wing media which was not the case previous to his sexual dalliance and felonious misuse of funds. The "hiking the Appalachian Trail" dude is pretty much invisible. Jerry Falwell Jr is a dead duck that some muscular pool boy will have to scoop up. Jimmy Swaggert is long gone and Jimmy Bakker is relegated to small time cons. This is a long long list.

Edit: and we really shouldn't forget how many principles at FOX are no longer there because their sexual cruelties were unmasked.
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2021 11:10 am
@hightor,
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When a public figure is shown to be dishonest, corrupt, or in this case, hypocritical and sleazy, and this registers in the opinion polls, it makes it for erstwhile supporters to jump ship, and if he loses popular support this makes his removal and prosecution easier.
And that's really the important point in my view and it's precisely why I posted the item. As there is no silver bullets available to kill off anti-Asian bigotry or anti-black racism or the fascist tendencies of modern US conservatism or the theocratic goals within Catholicism and Protestantism, all we can hope for is to chip away at the consensus within their supporters/believers.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2021 11:22 am
@blatham,
I conceded the point to Hightor that unearthing the dirt could lead to good results, and I do so to you as well.

Guess I just hadn’t looked at it closely enough.

However…
When we’re talking about a figure like Ken Starr, whose days in the public eye or government service are long past, what are the potential good results of bringing out all his skeletons?
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2021 11:27 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
The conservative delusion that progressives are deluded is the real irreality.

Yet I'm the one who can always back up my claims and you've never been able to back up your claims even once.
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2021 11:32 am
@snood,
Quote:
I conceded the point to Hightor that unearthing the dirt could lead to good results, and I do so to you as well.

Guess I just hadn’t looked at it closely enough.
Thanks. And no problem. When I go to bed at night, I'm as exhausted from rethinking **** as from anything else I might have been up to.

Quote:
However…
When we’re talking about a figure like Ken Starr, whose days in the public eye or government service are long past, what are the potential good results of bringing out all his skeletons?
He remains highly visible and active - a respected intellectual/legal celebrity - within the right wing media universe.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2021 11:33 am
This from one of my favorite writers
Quote:
Jeet Heer
@HeerJeet
1h
Okay, it turns out podcasting won't bring socialism. On to Plan B.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2021 11:36 am
@oralloy,
You do not backup your conservative delusions, you just repeat them.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2021 11:39 am
@oralloy,
Lying doe not become tou.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2021 11:42 am
@MontereyJack,
It's a good thing I never do it then.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2021 11:48 am
@MontereyJack,
You are confusing "never" with "always" again.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2021 11:51 am
@MontereyJack,
Nope. You are the only person here who is doing that.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2021 11:52 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
You do not backup

So how come you can't provide any examples of me ever failing to provide a cite when someone asks me to back up my facts?


MontereyJack wrote:
your conservative delusions,

And how come you can't provide any examples of anything untrue in my posts?


MontereyJack wrote:
you just repeat them.

So long as you keep repeating falsehoods, it is reasonable for me to keep replying with the truth.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2021 11:56 am
@oralloy,
The truth and reality are total strangers to you, always have been, always will be.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2021 11:57 am
@MontereyJack,
I'm the one who always backs up my claims when people ask for cites, and you are the one who never backs up your claims.
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2021 12:20 pm
Clearly I'm a tad verbose this morning. It will soon wane.

It appears that the Jan 6 Select Committee hearings will begin with a note from the chair followed immediately by opening remarks from ... Liz Cheney.

It's the obvious smart move by Pelosi and agreed to (thank you Jesus) by Cheney.

The reason I mention this is that it speaks precisely to my earlier point about the strategy of chipping away at some previously created and destructive consensus.

I've been thinking a lot about consensus recently. That is, about the psychological appeal of consensus we humans often manifest. Watching attendees at Trump rallies or during the insurrection on Jan 6 or at school board meetings where they scream about the Marxist tide of Critical Race Theory or in anti-mask demonstrations you can see how excited, happy and energized these people are. This dynamic process between the self and a community of other selves is very powerful and hugely compelling. Through it, we can do great good and great evil.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2021 12:33 pm
@oralloy,
Both of your claims are as always untrue. The maximum number of people in the universe who think your claims are true seems to be5 one and his grip on realitty is questionable.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 26 Jul, 2021 12:35 pm
@MontereyJack,
Your failure to provide any examples to back up your claims about me is pretty obvious.

And appeals to the crowd are logical fallacies even when they are untrue.
 

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