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We will be way better of without a government!

 
 
vikorr
 
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Thu 13 Aug, 2020 11:40 pm
@RABEL222,
Well, without government:
- vigilantes would be everywhere (and we all know how careful they are with proof)
- punishment would no longer involve fines (which would be uneforceable), so we would revert to corporal punishments
- crimes without witnesses who know the offender would no longer be pursued (so DNA, Internet evidence, Financial evidence etc and any crimes with witnesses but who don't know the offender would no longer investigated)
- prisons wouldn't exist (outside of corporate prisons), so rapists etc would be free to roam, if they weren't outright killed
- traffic rules wouldn't exist
- number plates wouldn't exist (so you could essentially do what you like on a road with no repercussions)
- Corporations would arm up. Eventually there would be literal corporate wars
- Corporations would suppress every smaller competitor (those who didn't have the protection of a competing corporation)
- Corporations would seize all small shareholders shares (who would stop them) and place them into the hands of the elite
- Corporations could ruin the environment in any way they want with no repercussions, so they would no longer need to make environmentally friendly machines, or engage in environmentally friendly processes
- the elite would be entirely untouchable, except by other elite (and we are talking armed intervention)
- no one would want to fix the roads
- hackers would have free roam with no one to chase them down (other than corporations for self interest)
- slave traders and pedophiles would have no one to chase them down, and groups of them would spring up much more openly on the net
- Universal health services would no longer be provided (some governments provide such)
- home births would become much more common, along with the still birth rate
- rival armed gangs would form in many, many more places, to offer 'protection'
- many, many more gang wars would spring up
- there'd be no consumer protections
- warranties / guarantees would be meaningless (no enforcement)
- false advertising would be 'legal' (as it would no longer be illegal)
- you couldn't rely on internet deliveries anymore (no one to enforce non delivery)
- you couldn't rely on anyone you invested your savings in. Not even your banks (no penalties for fraud, embezzlement, or other such)
- property boundaries would be meaningingless, and come down to who could enforce the boundary
- Everyone would need to arm up to be able to enforce their own safety, their ownership of their own property etc
Well...this list keeps going and going and going...
Palandre
 
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Fri 14 Aug, 2020 02:44 am
@vikorr,
you must be really really scared wihout a mammy and a daddy! (government).

We really don't need "government" for everything you mentioned.

au contraire.
vikorr
 
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Fri 14 Aug, 2020 02:58 am
@Palandre,
Childish insults poorly attempting to cover for your inability to argue against the consequences only show your delusions for what they are.
vikorr
 
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Fri 14 Aug, 2020 03:08 am
@vikorr,
- child safety investigators becomes non existent
- domestic violence laws no longer exist to stop violence against spouses & partners
- domestic violence services no longer exist to help abused partners escape violent partners (most are partly funded by government, with very few funded by corporations)
- robberies, assaults, murders, rapes, etc don't get murdered unless you have the money to hire an investigator, and the money to pay for an enforcer to punish who the investigator thinks did it
- court orders don't exist to help stop stalkers
- Corporations no longer have to meet minimum wage and start paying unskilled people less and less
- corruption no longer has investigators nor punishment to prevent it from occurring
- Neighbours can play their music as loud as they like for as long as they like, day and night
- mediators don't exist to stop payback / feuds
- many social services stop existing (many are largely funded by government)
- people can dumb rubbish anywhere they like
- Everyone can start using incinerators again (you would have had to live in an era that allowed them to understand this)
- parks stop being maintained / existing
- little to no new parks are created in new property developments
- publicly funded art stops being funded
Palandre
 
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Fri 14 Aug, 2020 03:31 am
@vikorr,
nope, i mean it.
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Palandre
 
  -3  
Fri 14 Aug, 2020 03:32 am
@vikorr,
Quote:
- child safety investigators becomes non existent


whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattttttttttttttttttttttttttt?
Most pedophiles are in , you guessed it, 'GOVERNMENT!'.


Man o man, you are sooo naive in this, it is unbelievable!!


Palandre
 
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Fri 14 Aug, 2020 03:33 am
ALL those 'problems' can be better solved without any form of 'government'.
No problem at all.

You are really looking for a daddy and a mommy.
Ask yourself this, what would you do about these 'problems'?

vikorr
 
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Fri 14 Aug, 2020 03:36 am
@Palandre,
Uh huh. Not prepared to ever say how I notice, no doubt because understand that any way you try to explain how (you think it will be better solved) will end up sounding moronic. Quite frankly you appear incredibly delusional.
vikorr
 
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Fri 14 Aug, 2020 03:38 am
@Palandre,
Quote:
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattttttttttttttttttttttttttt?
Most pedophiles are in , you guessed it, 'GOVERNMENT!'.
Which doesn't at all deny that there would be no child safety investigators left (despite your delusional claims of being able to do it better without government)...

...and a claim you make without a shred of evidence to back it up.

Which makes the above evidence of your delusions.
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vikorr
 
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Fri 14 Aug, 2020 03:49 am
@vikorr,
- breach of contracts could no longer be solved through 3rd party
- copyright would not longer have effect
- patents would no longer have effect (stifles invention)
- radio stations would no longer have to pay artists
- oceans would become more polluted
- research funding to save reefs would dry up
- no limit would be place on commercial fishing, with fish stocks dying out
- more species would die out
- water restrictions would not be introduced / could no longer be enforced during droughts
- land titles would no longer be kept
- birth records would no longer be kept (third party credibility of identity)
- identification records would no long be kept by independent third parties (affects credibility of ID, and affects contracts, loaning money, etc, particularly when dealing with strangers)
- money values would no longer be properly regulated
- Universities would go back to being for the Elite (many governments provide large funding to Universities)
- Education would centralise to become for the elite...enabling power to centralise even more towards the elite
- no oversight to prevent the internet giants from abusing the information they collect
vikorr
 
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Fri 14 Aug, 2020 03:51 am
@vikorr,
The lack of government reaches into every facet of life. And we are way worse off without well functioning government (as opposed to very corrupt dictatorships)

You haven't so far been able to argue one shred of your delusions. Chanting them doesn't show anything other than you can chant delusions.
Palandre
 
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Fri 14 Aug, 2020 07:37 am
@vikorr,
well, again, you really don't need government


Quote:
The lack of government reaches into every facet of life.


Yes, it is a pity.

Quote:
And we are way worse off without well functioning government


Nope.
There is NO well functioning government, don't you remember the 'subset"?
RABEL222
 
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Fri 14 Aug, 2020 10:16 am
@Palandre,
speaking of delusional.
Palandre
 
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Fri 14 Aug, 2020 11:18 am
@RABEL222,
why?
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Palandre
 
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Fri 14 Aug, 2020 11:32 am
@vikorr,
Quote:
Uh huh. Not prepared to ever say how I notice, no doubt because understand that any way you try to explain how (you think it will be better solved) will end up sounding moronic. Quite frankly you appear incredibly delusional.


give me a break. I have put it here before.
Why are you so childlike afraid of having no daddy or momm(government), without a 'government' you have to grow up.
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Palandre
 
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Fri 14 Aug, 2020 11:39 am
@vikorr,
Quote:
Childish insults poorly attempting to cover for your inability to argue against the consequences only show your delusions for what they are.


I am not insulting at all. I really mean it. People who 'need' government have mommy and daddy issues. I am stating facts here,
You sound like you see 'government' as a sort of Almighty God who solves problems for you.
It is very scary to see.


And the delusion is upon you, because , again, 'government' can't exist.
It IS an illusion, a very dangerous illusion. no, one of the most dangerous illusion in the whole wide world.


vikorr
 
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Fri 14 Aug, 2020 04:43 pm
@Palandre,
Quote:
I am not insulting at all. I really mean it. People who 'need' government have mommy and daddy issues. I am stating facts here,
You sound like you see 'government' as a sort of Almighty God who solves problems for you.
ROFL. Of course you are childishly intending to insult, for any adult can rephrase what you said to say it in a respectful way. Eg. "It seems to me that your fears are driving what you said"

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And the delusion is upon you, because , again, 'government' can't exist.
Government is a concept - so yes, it is also an illusion, just like money is a concept - which I've said before. And yet it has rules and parts, and functions and works like a government. It has very real outcomes.

The same could be said for computer programs, which are just conceptual words - and yet the concept together with the moving / interacting parts can function to build all sorts of appliances. Is the computer program a useless illusion? Is the concept of such a language not real? Is there no real outcome of the concept?

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one of the most dangerous illusion in the whole wide world.
Perhaps. Seems rather unlikely. After all, to come to that conclusion, you would have to weigh up the good vs the bad. And that would mean you actually acknowledging the good done by government(so far only the bad).

You can claim you know all you want. What is evidenced in this thread is:
- you don't acknowledge any good of government (which creates a very delusional view of the world in your head - ie. and so you are delusional)
- you have no argument against the issues of not having government (a slogan 'can be done better' is just that, a slogan without any substance, contributing to your delusional view)
- you don't provide evidence of your position no matter how often asked (meaning you have no idea if you are delusional)

In this whole time of you posting your delusions - you had one venture into saying how home education is better than State School education - but you only looked at those parents who were : willing, had the education themselves to do so, had the time to do so, had the knack of teaching...and refused to consider how many others parents don't have such, and how many children would be worse off.

Only people who are terrified of what a thing refuse to even acknowledge both sides of an argument. You find me acknowledging the pitfalls...but you can't even bring yourself to acknowledge the good, no argue for how it can be done better. It seems to me your 'you are a scared child with daddy issues' is simply you projecting your fears onto others.

I don't of course, expect you to be able to truly process or comprehend any of this.
vikorr
 
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Fri 14 Aug, 2020 05:02 pm
@vikorr,
Ugh, edit closed, can't correct grammar Rolling Eyes
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Dr Sliptinschit
 
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Fri 14 Aug, 2020 06:34 pm
@Real Music,
Quote:
2. You are asserting that we would be way better off without government.

3. You are asserting that without government we would have lesser problems.


Less government = fewer liberals = less crime and racism.
Palandre
 
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Fri 14 Aug, 2020 11:51 pm
@vikorr,
Quote:
I don't of course, expect you to be able to truly process or comprehend any of this.


The same here, your religious belief in the 'government' is way too deep.
It is a process, so give some time to deprogram .

Again, it is not about good/bad, it is about the impossibility.
'government' is a fiction. it ONLY exist between your ears.
Just like 'Santa Claus". The danger however is in people, like you, believing in
something that doesn't and can't exist.

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