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We will be way better of without a government!

 
 
Palandre
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2020 08:14 pm
@Real Music,
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2. Once you start making assertions that your claims are factual, we are definitely going to ask for evidence or examples.


which 'claims' aren't 'factual'?

'government'/'authority' can't exist, that is a fact, 'government' injects more immorallity into society, that is also a very clear fact.
'government' can't have more power then people have, also a fact.

So, you must be also religiously attached to the idea of a 'government' then.
Real Music
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2020 09:41 pm
@Palandre,
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which 'claims' aren't 'factual'?
1. So far, everything you have posted.

2. You haven't provided any evidence or any examples that would support your claims as being factual.

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'government'/'authority' can't exist, that is a fact, 'government' injects more immorallity into society, that is also a very clear fact.
'government' can't have more power then people have, also a fact.
You still haven't provided any evidence or any examples that would support your assertions.

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So, you must be also religiously attached to the idea of a 'government' then.
1. No one never said that government was perfect.

2. No one never said that government didn't have flaws.

3. And those flaws should obviously be addressed and corrected.

3. With that being said, government is still very important and very essential to our everyday lives.

4. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

5. I have already posted several examples why government is very essential and very important in our everyday lives.

If any of this sound sounds familiar, it should.
I have already posted those last points previously on this thread.
Real Music
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2020 09:54 pm
@Palandre,
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Oj, well first I am not trying to persuade anyone.
1. If that were true, you would simply tell the many people who have been disagreeing with you, that we must agree to disagree, and then leave it at that.

2. But, instead you have been trying to persuade others without providing any examples or any evidence to support your claims and assertions.


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And oh! You haven't read this whole thread yet, I see.
1. I have actually been reading your thread.

2. It's been quite entertaining and funny to read.
Palandre
 
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Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2020 02:38 am
@Real Music,
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1. No one never said that government was perfect. etc.


lol, it is not imperfect, it is impossible.


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3. With that being said, government is still very important and very essential to our everyday lives.


Why on earth is a criminal organisation important??????????????????????
why would we need that?
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Palandre
 
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Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2020 03:01 am
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There is a common assumption that without government modern civilization would crumble. Many people assume that anarchism is a kind of disorganized spontaneity.

This is the reverse of the truth. Anarchists actually want much more organization, though organization without authority. The prejudice about anarchism derives from a prejudice about organization; people cannot see that organization does not depend on authority, that it actually works best without authority.
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Palandre
 
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Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2020 03:05 am
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To be governed is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, censored, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be GOVERNED is to be at every operation, at every transaction noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, vilified, harassed, hunted down, abused, clubbed, disarmed, bound, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and to crown it all, mocked, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonoured. That is government; that is its justice, that is its morality
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vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2020 06:27 am
@Real Music,
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1. If that were true, you would simply tell the many people who have been disagreeing with you, that we must agree to disagree, and then leave it at that.
Instead, he is highlighting passages from a book for the benefit of readers...wait, if he is doing it for the benefit of readers (he's definitely not doing it for his own benefit), then he must be wanting people to see important ideas...so they can adopt them...

I'm pretty certain that his responses are so that he can not engage in any conflict about his reasons (as somewhere deep down he likely realises just how flawed they are). There is a small possibility he has wires crossed that don't allow him to see that he is trying to sell his message...hence why he's going about it in the least convincing way possible.
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Palandre
 
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Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2020 12:33 pm
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Belgium has managed without a government for 461 days. Its economy is surviving and it has taken part in the Libya campaign. So do we really need a government?

With no government to impose austerity measures, it might come as a surprise that Belgium has not yet suffered a debt crisis, like Greece, Spain, Portugal and Ireland, even though its debts equal 97 per cent of its Gross Domestic Product (GDP).

https://www.channel4.com/news/do-we-really-need-a-government


No, of course we don't need 'government'. Especially when it is only in people's mind.

The whole extremely stupi idea of 'government' has to go. fast now!
look at the outcomes of the covid-hoax-crises.

Palandre
 
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Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2020 12:44 pm
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Prof. Edward Stringham argues that government may not even be necessary at all.

Should government provide law enforcement? Most would argue that government is absolutely necessary for law enforcement. Prof. Edward Stringhman, however, argues that government may not even be necessary at all.

To come to this conclusion, Prof. Stringham asks a few important questions. First, if something is really important, does it logically follow that government should provide it? Second, are markets capable of providing law enforcement and security in the modern world? Third, how are disputes currently settled between people of different countries?

Looking at the first question, it doesn’t seem to be the case that important things must be provided by a government. For instance, think about food. Food is necessary for life, and yet, markets do an excellent job of providing food to consumers.

Even if you’re convinced that markets can provide important things, you may think law enforcement and security are a special case that markets are incapable of providing in a modern world. However, markets already enforce private rules and provide security. Disney World, Las Vegas, and malls all have private rules that are enforced by private security.

Accepting the arguments above, you may still be skeptical about market’s abilities to settle disputes between different systems of rules or law. This, in fact, was Ayn Rand’s primary reason for advocating a minimal state. Current interactions in the real world provide examples as to how markets resolve these disputes. Think about an international soccer game or international trade. In both instances, individuals are interacting across state boundaries, and are only subject to the jurisdiction of their own territory. In these situations, these individuals contract with the arbiters such as a soccer league or a private court to resolve disputes.

https://www.libertarianism.org/media/around-web/do-we-need-government

vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2020 05:05 pm
@Palandre,
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look at the outcomes of the covid-hoax-crises.
yep, not trying to sell anything Laughing Drunk
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Real Music
 
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Reply Thu 20 Aug, 2020 11:56 pm
@Palandre,
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However, markets already enforce private rules and provide security.
Disney World, Las Vegas, and malls all have private rules that are enforced by private security.

1. Are you claiming that there aren't any local, state, or federal laws
that Disney World has to adhere to?

2. Are you claiming that there aren't any local, state, or federal laws
that Las Vegas casinos have to adhere to?

3. Are you claiming that there aren't any local, state, or federal laws
that malls have to adhere to?




4. Are you claiming that there aren't any local, state, or federal law enforcement agencies
that has any law enforcement authority at Disney Land?

5. Are you claiming that there aren't any local, state, or federal law enforcement agencies
that has any law enforcement authority at Las Vegas casinos?

6. Are you claiming that there aren't any local, state, or federal law enforcement agencies
that has any law enforcement authority at malls?
vikorr
 
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Reply Fri 21 Aug, 2020 02:27 am
@Real Music,
I tried similar lines of questioning previously, without him providing any response other than 'others can do it better'. Of course in his example:
- he didn't address your issues
- he didn't take into account that those places only relate to commercial premises, and doesn't address what occurs outside of commercial premises
- he doesn't take into account what occurs if an incident goes beyond the private security companies ability to deal with
- he makes no mention of how checks and measures would be placed on private security companies use of force (without government oversight)
- he doesn't even take into consideration how security guards would be chosen (criminal history checks are a government database, as are security officer licensing requirements)

You should expect no reasoned response for any of these issues.
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Palandre
 
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Reply Fri 21 Aug, 2020 03:44 am
@Real Music,
Well, actually, to sum it up, there are no laws we have to adhere to.
Most people think we have to, but we really have not to.
"government' really has no power over us. Nothing.
Yes, they can put us in jail if we don't listen to the 'government'.
But the nazi in ww2 could do this as well. Doesn't make it right.
"government " is just avery very very and creepy criminal organisation, who kidnaps people and extorts people, and other very immoral things,
'government' rely on us people to believe they have any power over us.
They really haven't.
But take it even further as I do, they can not and do not 'exist'.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 24 Aug, 2020 03:21 pm
@Palandre,
Please explain to me why you hate government. I asked you if you were in jail. Your answer was "nope". Something specific must have happened to you in order for you to show such hatred of all kinds of government. I would like to understand why you have such a hatred of government and nope isent an answer.
Palandre
 
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Reply Tue 25 Aug, 2020 03:18 am
@RABEL222,
Hate?????? Hate has nothing to with it. Just start thinking logical about the whole concept. it is flawed from A to Z.
I can also ask why you are so irrationaly attached to the concept of a 'government'?
Most people rather leave their religion then to abandon the idea of 'government".
So it is for a lot of people a rather loaded discussion.
It is even more about unconscious resistance, then with logic.
Well, that's the way religions also works.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 25 Aug, 2020 05:32 pm
@Palandre,
Still no answer. Just a bunch of disconnected bull schit and opinion without any backing. OK, its apparent whatever your disagreement your to ashamed to come out into the open with it. I'm through trying to understand your attitude Trump junior.
Palandre
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2020 10:25 am
@RABEL222,
Ashamed to out into the open??? lol, you are funnt and indeed a bit idiotic.

But who cares.

Oh, and clearly attached to the religious idea of a government.

It is what it is.


vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 26 Aug, 2020 07:41 pm
@Palandre,
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Oh, and clearly attached to the religious idea of...


Religions:

- don't like their ideas being tested against logic....same as you, who never provide any logic (despite many claims)
- don't open up their ideas to reasoned argument...same as you, as you don't either
- ignore conflicts in their beliefs...same as you
- stick to many of their belief despite the weight of evidence against against such...same as you do
- ignore the weight of evidence with superfluous chants...same as you've done multiple
- can't argue against the evidence provided by the other side...same as you've shown yourself unable to do

Ie. Yet again you are projecting your flaws onto others
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