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How to Deal With the Coronavirus

 
 
gollum
 
Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2020 06:16 am
Perhaps the key to slowing the spread is controlling travel. I don't think a pandemic is possible without travel.

Therefore, instead of shutting down industry, why not shut down travel? Only when a region eliminates the virus would it be allowed to restart outward air travel.

Let's consider a five-week lockdown.

The incubation period is two weeks, it would take two weeks to diagnose everyone who has been infected.

Then identify infections in the same household. That is why we need to wait two more weeks.

The fifth week is only necessary for areas where there is a high infection rate and the possibility of random infections from an unknown source.

The thinking is that the exit strategy should be geographically-based and not activity-based.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2020 06:29 am
@gollum,
we are going to be seeing a countrywide experiment now. All those states who've "Opened for business" are about to be presenting evidence as to whether social distancing and face covers will be effective to control shedded virus. However, many folks are denying that these control means are needed so they are engaging in "Social Russian Roulette". The medical profession and scientists are urging care but Americans, always knowing better than the experts in any field are gambling thir lives and their families lives with,IMHO, really dumb decisions.

Lets see what happens say 20 days after Georgia Opened and everone in Fla is hanging at the beach. Weve "flattened the infection curve" in many areas of the country. So now some real Einsteins have figured that they can return to normal life with just a few mods.

Noone rally knows, so we have many hundreds of thousands and maybe millions of people who will be engaging in a statistical experiment .
Watch the infection curves.


MY extra big worry is that this thing will mutate over the summer an come back Lik the Spanish Flu.
mark noble
 
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Reply Mon 27 Apr, 2020 09:42 am
@gollum,
The Best way to Deal with the Coronavirus is...
1. Define 'Coronavirus'
2. Define 'testing parameters' thereof (Koch vs Rivers)
3. Understand that 'parameters' were NOT Met (Nor have been)
4. Realise that the 'Test' is identifying Exosomes (Microcellular satellites that activate antibodies) NOT a VIRUS. (A Virus needs isolating and purifying (Stage 1) before Stages 2,3,4 and 5 can be performed).
STAGE 1 'UNMET'.
5. Understand that 'Stress', real or imagined, causes Exosomal activity.
6. Smile, Whack some Pink Floyd on, and Awaken!
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livinglava
 
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Reply Tue 28 Apr, 2020 10:55 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Noone rally knows, so we have many hundreds of thousands and maybe millions of people who will be engaging in a statistical experiment .
Watch the infection curves.

MY extra big worry is that this thing will mutate over the summer an come back Lik the Spanish Flu.

Do you think things can ever go back to the way they were before COVID19, or do you think we have to adapt to a new paradigm in which pandemic viruses like COVID19 can always show up and spread, and so we always need to be taking precautions, maintaining remote work/schooling as much as possible, etc.?
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 28 Apr, 2020 11:16 am
@livinglava,
I was watching this discussion on TV by the Oxford guys whove developed that vaccine thats going to begin clinical efficacy testing and they were saying that they are also concerned that this thing is going to keep mutating like the Spanish "flu" (for which they never developed a vaccine after 100 years. However, as evolution's consistent lesson has been -- the only thing that counts is to live and breed continue the species. So, like Spanish flu mutated to a much less lethal form, perhaps this will also. (even though virii are not life forms)
Pamela Rosa
 
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Reply Thu 30 Apr, 2020 05:50 pm
This video was banned from Youtube
https://banned.video/watch?id=5ea4994ea881fd00808e95ad
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 1 May, 2020 07:25 am
@Pamela Rosa,
Quote:
This video was banned from Youtube


And why was it banned, Pamela????

Back to the conspiracy stuff again, eh?

Rolling Eyes
livinglava
 
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Reply Fri 1 May, 2020 07:46 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

I was watching this discussion on TV by the Oxford guys whove developed that vaccine thats going to begin clinical efficacy testing and they were saying that they are also concerned that this thing is going to keep mutating like the Spanish "flu" (for which they never developed a vaccine after 100 years. However, as evolution's consistent lesson has been -- the only thing that counts is to live and breed continue the species. So, like Spanish flu mutated to a much less lethal form, perhaps this will also. (even though virii are not life forms)

"Living and breeding and continuing the species," doesn't just involve maintaining a population of biological bodies; it also involves maintaining 'cultural health,' by which I mean cultural practices that engender good living and avert negative/destructive patterns of harm and degeneracy.

So I think if you look at the cultural behavioral patterns that have evolved since people have had the security of medical/pharmaceutical protection/solutions to infections, birth control, etc., they take less precautions and shirk preventative lifestyle measures like social-distancing and avoiding close physical contact, i.e. because they just take it for granted that they won't get sick and if they do, then there will be a cure and the insurance will pay for it.

So now we are seeing evolution catch up with these antibiotic safety nets because regular infections that used to be kept at bay with habitual social distancing are now finding their way around to lots of hosts who challenge them to evolve by taking anti-biotics, etc.

So at a time like this when we are re-learning to practice social-distancing and hygiene like that's the only weapon we have against pathogen infections, it should be a reminder that all the technologies for safety and health we have developed have their limits and nature is constantly evolving, so we shouldn't (de)-evolve into a species that only thinks about consuming and reproducing because it's not really enough to have a population of caged animals protected from infections by anti-biotics, etc.; they need to have a healthy lifestyle culture that prevents the use of pharmaceuticals and other major interventions. In short, culture should be a strong first-line of defense so that 'the big guns' are reserved for special situations where people cannot deal with pathogens and infections by non-medical means.

Otherwise, we're evolving culturally toward pushing our protective technologies to their limits, and it's hard to imagine that it is possible for humans to do everything they desire without exceeding their technological capability to control the damage that results.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 1 May, 2020 08:08 am
https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1256178590498119681
Natasha Bertrand ✔@NatashaBertrand

He literally emailed one of the prosecutors just tasked with investigating coronavirus-related crimes.

Josh Dawsey ✔@jdawsey1

Jerome Corsi, the commentator who narrowly escaped charges in Mueller probe, meant to email Zev Zelenko, a White House-allied doctor, about a hydroxychloroquine project. He instead emailed Aaron Zelinsky, the Mueller prosecutor. A new probe has begun...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/vladimir-zev-zelenko-fox-news-trump-hydroxychloroquine-jerome-corsi/2020/04/30/82622456-8af2-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html

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Pamela Rosa
 
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Reply Fri 8 May, 2020 01:50 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

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This video was banned from Youtube


And why was it banned, Pamela????



"Anything that would go against World Health Organization would be a violation of our policy," Susan Wojcicki told CNN.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/23/media/youtube-videos-pandemic/index.html


Perspectives on the Pandemic Knut Wittkowski
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Q4naYOYDw
Dr. Erickson Interviews Dr. Wittkowski
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ftaq1lp5jOk
Top Israeli prof claims simple stats show virus plays itself out after 70 days
https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-israeli-prof-claims-simple-stats-show-virus-plays-itself-out-after-70-days/
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 8 May, 2020 07:22 am
@Pamela Rosa,
No Pamela. It was banned because it claimed it's woooooo was science and if people followed it they'd die and their children could die, too.

Read up on Dr Judy Mikovits. She's a discredited researcher and convicted thief and jail bird.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 8 May, 2020 08:42 pm
Grim Florida Records Recount Lonely Deaths at Home
Source: New York Times

A 71-year-old woman with nausea who was sent home from the emergency room, even though a doctor wanted to admit her. A 63-year-old nurse who was self-isolating while she waited for results from her coronavirus test. A 77-year-old man who was prescribed antibiotics by a doctor in another state for his fever and dry cough.
All were found unresponsive at home — the nurse on the sofa, where she was found by her husband — their lives claimed by Covid-19 before they ever had a chance to check into the hospital.

The New York Times and other news outlets obtained the descriptions of the deaths — the first such statewide data from anywhere in the country — through a public records request. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement, which oversees the state Medical Examiners Commission, redacted the 203 pages to keep the descriptions and probable causes of death private.
Florida has some of the strongest laws in the nation protecting the public’s right to view government records. Complete information from medical examiners on deaths has never before been kept secret. But the administration of Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, has not been eager to release some coronavirus records. The state also initially refused to release information on nursing homes where outbreaks occurred.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/grim-florida-records-recount-lonely-deaths-at-home/ar-BB13O2Lc?ocid=spartandhp
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mark noble
 
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Reply Sat 9 May, 2020 07:23 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Bobsal.
Do you agree that everything that is said, whether factual or not, that is contrary to/otherwise than, the state-established narrative - IS 'conspiracy-theory'?

Tell me also, knowing that Gates conducts the WHO and owns 'Pirbright' (Coranavirus patentees) (Stabilised Nov 2019) - And.. Dr Rashid A Buttar, Judy, Andrew Kaufman, Bruce Lipton, Rose/Icke III (Largest livestream of a Single Conversation in Human History) and ALL respective materials therewith -

Are you awake?

THIS was a step TOO Far. And THIS step TOO Far was ... perfect.
Camels' back - Broken by it's own desire.

Have a Lovely Day
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 9 May, 2020 07:44 am
@mark noble,
What lovely free verse.

Quote:
Tell me also, knowing that Gates conducts the WHO and owns 'Pirbright' (Coranavirus patentees) (Stabilised Nov 2019) - And.. Dr Rashid A Buttar, Judy, Andrew Kaufman, Bruce Lipton, Rose/Icke III (Largest livestream of a Single Conversation in Human History) and ALL respective materials therewith -


Is there some meaning hidden in there?

https://www.pirbright.ac.uk/ - I don't get your point with this. No coronavirus is "patented" though lab genetically modified strains might be, or strategies to blunt virus might be. Are you obliquely accusing them of something?

Quote:
Dr Rashid A Buttar, Judy, Andrew Kaufman, Bruce Lipton, Rose/Icke II


And these are? The next Super Group? A cricket club? The starting line of Manchester United? The faculty of Yarrow? And why and to what are you mentioning them.

Its bad enough I think you're alluding to some sort of 'conspiracy' but you want me to formulate it for you, too?

I believe in science. Not just because it true, but because its hardly ever wrong, its hardly ever made up of discredited crackpots. Because it never screams incoherently, never glosses over it's gaps in knowledge, never implies the bogeyman "THEY" are out to get them. When they make a mistake, they acknowledge it and never claims "secret" aspect to their knowledge and bases it on experiment, research, peer review and simultaneous work by other groups of science.

Soooooo when you have something, speak it clearly and be prepared to defend it. I'll be very interested indeed to hear it.

Just don't quote Dr Judy Mikovits.

livinglava
 
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Reply Tue 19 May, 2020 07:30 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

I believe in science. Not just because it true, but because its hardly ever wrong, its hardly ever made up of discredited crackpots.

What about when it's not true, when it is wrong, and it is made by of accredited crackpots? What critical abilities do YOU have to assess what you read or hear that is 'scientific?'

Quote:
Because it never screams incoherently, never glosses over it's gaps in knowledge, never implies the bogeyman "THEY" are out to get them. When they make a mistake, they acknowledge it and never claims "secret" aspect to their knowledge and bases it on experiment, research, peer review and simultaneous work by other groups of science.

What do you do in the period between when 'they' make a mistake and when 'they' acknowledge it?

Scientific knowledge is tentative, but is YOUR belief in it tentative?
mark noble
 
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Reply Tue 19 May, 2020 07:42 am
@bobsal u1553115,
That's your ego 'talking', in defence of its promoted reality.
Just answer the question, or Not?

Adding your pocketbook implications (See what I did) misconstrues the point.

Come as yourself, or not at all.

Look up 'ad hominems' when the oppurtunity arises, or Not.

Have a Lovely Day
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 19 May, 2020 07:42 am
@livinglava,
I know it's a losing proposition to attempt conversation with you, but I am intrigued. How are crackpots accredited? Is there a governing body for crackpots?
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 19 May, 2020 07:50 am
@mark noble,
Answer what????

Quote:
Bobsal.
Do you agree that everything that is said, whether factual or not, that is contrary to/otherwise than, the state-established narrative - IS 'conspiracy-theory'?


Do I believe everything, factual or not is conspiracy theory? I believe what hasn't been proven is quackery. Dr Judy is a quack.

Are you a graduate of the livinglava school of word saladry? Or are you naturally this incoherent?
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 19 May, 2020 07:58 am
@Setanta,
Crackpots aren't accredited, they're "created". Says so right here in the book and if you act now we'll send you the the magic numbers pamphlet and the secret passages so you, too, can crack pots. Because sending Christ wasn't enough, the Father had to put it all in a secret biblical code that only crack pots can make out. Covid? Biblical. The Ford Edsel (the prefered ride of the Pale Rider) - Biblical. Read it on my burnt pancake just this morning. Jebus just recieved Elon Musk's Tesla a coupla days back, he thought the playlist on the stereo was tooo Emo.
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mark noble
 
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Reply Tue 19 May, 2020 08:00 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Sidenote.
Quote: 'Soooooooo'?
Why?

If you'd like 'verifiable' material, relative to anything I have, previously, suggested (impregnated your ego with) (Just being nice) - I would be willing to supply it.

Be worth the effort, though - I'm not your egos' babysitter.

Have a Lovely Day
 

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