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Let's fire Trump

 
 
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2020 12:56 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
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Remains to be seen, pal.

What remains to be seen is your answers to the questions I asked. What have they (Democrats) done to improve the lives of the citizens. What kind of leadership have they offered?
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2020 12:58 pm
@coldjoint,
Odd how you write that and can likely do so with a straight face.
One look at Trump's wife and then her parents is a good example of chain immigration.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2020 12:58 pm
"Sh*t show": Trump names CEOs to coronavirus economic council without giving them a head's up
Many executives pushed back on Trump's call to reopen the economy quickly, warning of a severe testing shortage

IGOR DERYSH
APRIL 16, 2020 11:28PM (UTC)

President Donald Trump on Tuesday named a long list of executives and business leaders to a White House coronavirus economic advisory council, but he apparently did not give them a head's up first.

Trump announced that he would form several "Great American Economic Revival Industry Groups" and read off a long list of agriculture executives, bankers, labor leaders, defense contractors, energy firms, health care executives, restaurateurs and other business leaders.

But many of the people on the list did not learn that they were part of the White House effort until they heard their names read on TV, The Daily Beast reported. Out of 20 members contacted by the outlet, only two said they weren't caught off guard by the announcement.

Even longtime Trump advisers like Art Laffer, a prominent conservative economist, and Stephen Moore, a so-called economist at the Heritage Foundation, said they did not expect to be named.

"I was not watching TV at the time," Laffer said. "I found out about it [yesterday] when three to five friends started calling me to ask me about it."

The union leaders touted by Trump were also surprised they were named.

Tim Schlittner, the communications director for the AFL-CIO, told the outlet that the union only learned of chief Richard Trumka's supposed involvement during the announcement, adding that it received "what appeared to be a mass email with instructions to RSVP" for a conference call on Wednesday.

"There was no call from President Trump to President Trumka on this," he said. "President Trumka is calling in to see if this is a serious effort or not."

Some of the executives were so blindsided they were unable to participate in Wednesday's calls, according to Politico. Goldman Sachs CEO David Solomon skipped the discussion to participate in a quarterly earnings call, while executives at JPMorgan Chase were unable to track down CEO Jamie Dimon.

One executive who participated in the call described it to the outlet as a "sh*t show." Others pushed back on Trump's calls to quickly lift coronavirus restrictions in order to reopen the economy.


"I really don't understand how they are communicating on this," one executive told Politico. "He's got to stop talking about turning the economy back on and start talking about making people feel safe, things that are happening around testing and the health care system. That's the only way you will really get the economy reopened over a period of time."

Trump claimed Wednesday that the participants of the calls were "all-in on getting America back to work — and soon." But Teamsters union chief James Hoffa said in a statement that he told Trump directly that there needed to be more reliable testing, better access to protective equipment and government regulations in place to begin reopening the economy.

"Until we can ensure worker safety, we cannot put our members and workers at further risk by opening the economy up too soon," he said. "It's important that we listen to the medical professionals to ensure that the health and safety of workers and their families is our first priority."

Many other participants echoed Hoffa's warnings.

"The people involved in the first call . . . described current testing levels in the U.S. as inadequate to effectively reopen the economy," The Wall Street Journal reported, arguing that the public needed to see more progress, because they "would be confident enough to return to work, eat at restaurants or shop in retail establishments."

Blackrock CEO Larry Fink told CNBC that it was unfeasible to reopen in the coming weeks.

"We're going to still see elements of the disease increasing in other parts of the world, and until we have adequate testing — rapid testing — it's very hard to see how we're going to reboot in the next 30 days," he said. "I do believe we'll be able to reboot. I do believe we're going to have a better, more normalized environment. But it may not be in June or July. It may be in August."

Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos, who also participated in the call, said in his annual shareholder letter this week that it was impossible to "get the economy back up and running" without mass testing.

"Regular testing on a global scale, across all industries, would both help keep people safe and help get the economy back up and running," he said. "For this to work, we as a society would need vastly more testing capacity than is currently available."
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2020 01:06 pm
@Sturgis,
Quote:
Odd how you write that and can likely do so with a straight face.
One look at Trump's wife and then her parents is a good example of chain immigration.

That was then, this now. The facts are a good many who use chain migration have no intention of assimilating to our culture. You think that is what this country needs?
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2020 01:12 pm
@neptuneblue,
I read somewhere this committee was formed to allow him to get the country "opened" and making it look like he had nothing to do with it when the Virus takes a second jump when everybody comes out of quarantine (as if everyone would).
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2020 01:12 pm
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
"Regular testing on a global scale, across all industries, would both help keep people safe and help get the economy back up and running," he said. "For this to work, we as a society would need vastly more testing capacity than is currently available."

Americans are ready to take what is a small risk for the vast majority of people. The media knows that but it is sure as Hell the last thing they want Americans to know. Remembering these people will still practice social distancing and good hygiene.

Certain groups need the tests, and other measures taken, more than others if at all. This is now an effort to keep the economy in shambles until the election and it is treasonous for all intents and purposes. Once again Democrats **** on the citizens.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2020 02:19 pm
@coldjoint,
I was in Rising Sun this AM (land of the KLAN and MAGA hhats abound). There were lots of enMAGA'd obese folk who were standing in smoking clumps as I walked to the grainery.
Im sure these guys practice safe sex and social distancing. (Hint: most of em deny what medical science says about vaccination so how the hell do w expect em to understand something more complex, like "pandemic"


Saw a Tee shirt in Quarryville , said
"Im wearing a mask to keep you healthy"
ON THE BACK< SAID,
"Please wear one too, so I stay healthy"


coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2020 02:34 pm
@farmerman,
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as I walked to the grainery.

It is a shame you have to go out to look down on other people when you could do it from your house. What good does that kind of post do? Do you show your disgust with other Americans out of habit or for a reason?
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2020 02:39 pm
@coldjoint,
They were calling me names for wearing a mask. So I look down on some people, like Klansmen and douche bag smokers who wear wife beater Tee shirts when Its 42 degrees. Yeh I look down on them, and you are an asshole, However I can always change.

coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2020 03:07 pm
@farmerman,
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They were calling me names for wearing a mask.

Sure it was because of the mask? You do not sound like a pleasant person. I am not an asshole for pointing out a character flaw you should work on.
livinglava
 
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Reply Fri 17 Apr, 2020 08:05 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Thats why I pointed out to livinglava that there is a huge piles of wealth in this country sitting there. Billionaires do not spend their equity on billions of dollars of yachts or Lambogini's either. This country will fail. The stimulous checks will go to existing debt.

When Democrats or other socialists say this, I wonder what they think happens when those "huge piles of wealth just sitting there" get used. Do you realize that if you lend, invest, or just give out money and it gets spent/invested, what will happen is that resources will get used, land will be cleared, old buildings torn down and new ones built out of wood, concrete, steel, glass, etc., trash hauled off and dumped, energy used, air pollution emitted, etc. etc.? Why would you want to increase the waste and environmental harm done by the economy in order to circulate/redistribute 'unused wealth?' What good would that do?

People need food, shelter, clothing, and a little entertainment, and FREE TIME for rest, relaxation, recharging, connecting with loved ones, etc. That is what real prosperity is made of and you don't need more material consumption for that. What people need is to be out of debt so they can spend less time working to pay bills and more time in self-realization, including realization of positive social relationships that don't generate any kind of revenue. They need time to do the household chores and labor that save them money hiring others to do things that cause their bills and debts to increase.

Preserving natural resources is better than redistributing them. That is the real wealth and it is best protected and preserved for future generations. You can let the owners keep the resources if you can just get them to leave them alone and not harvest them to sell to the people because the people are voting for a government that gives them more spending money than is good for the environment/climate/sustainability.


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"It is a slow day in the small Saskatchewan town of Pumphandle, and streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody is living on credit.

Whatever people are buying on credit has to be produced by someone. The question is how to work to produce what you are paying for. If you are paying rent, for example, why don't you produce your own residential housing and live in it, for example? If you are buying groceries, why not work in the grocery supply-chain? If you eat in restaurants, why not work in that supply-chain? If you buy clothing or order goods online, why not work in that supply-chain? Whatever you consume has to be produced, so why not let everyone contribute to all those supply-chains and if there are more people than jobs, just split up the jobs so more people work less hours each?

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A tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the motel, and lays a $100 bill on the desk saying he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs to pick one for the night. As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher.

The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to the pig farmer.

The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his supplier, the Co-op.

The guy at the Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer her "services" on credit.

The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel owner.

The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the traveler will not suspect anything.

At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves. No one produced anything. No one earned anything...

However, the whole town is now out of debt and now looks to the future with a lot more optimism.
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And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how a Stimulus package works."

You forgot that because everyone escapes their debts, there is no incentive to reduce economic activity for the benefit of environmental/climate sustainability. If everyone can pay off their car payments, insurance, and gas credit card debt; they see no reason to switch from driving to public transit. If everyone can pay off their health insurance and copayments, there is no incentive to lower health care costs for the benefit of the uninsured. If everyone can pay their rent with stimulus money, there is no pressure for landlords to lower rents to make renting more affordable, and if landlords have no trouble making money with rent, there is no incentive to sell property at lower prices so people can buy their own homes instead of renting.

The market needs recessionary/deflationary pressure to motivate price competition and budget-cuts that cause consumers and business to work more efficiently and shrink their resource footprint.

Otherwise they use and waste as much as they can as long as it gives them more chance of increasing sales and revenues. In general, business rationality says that if you can throw away products to make a profit, don't worry about the waste and focus on the profit.

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Its not the spending, its the sucking up of dollars and freezing them. Lower circulation of dollars makes things expensive without inflation. Printing more dollars makes things expensive by inflation. Inflation without spending is recession. Long term recession is Depression.

The things that get expensive without inflation are quite possibly products and services that are too inefficient to be sustainable. The only things that isn't true of are things that require little resources but lots of labor time to produce, but when people have lots of free time because they work part time, they can devote their free time to knitting or whatever and then sell their products not because they need the money but because they want to contribute their efforts to others at an affordable price. E.g. if everyone works part time and can afford basic necessities that way, they can use their free time to choose to knit, fix bicycles, mend clothes, or whatever they like to do and are good at, and by doing so they make it easier for other people to live well on part-time wages.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2020 01:08 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
You do not sound like a pleasant person.
You're one of the least informed on any subject. I met farmerman, and have spent enough time with him to know he's well educated, and has more common sense than you'll ever enjoy in life. For beginners, he's a professor for graduate students in his specialty.
livinglava
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2020 01:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Quote:
You do not sound like a pleasant person.
You're one of the least informed on any subject. I met farmerman, and have spent enough time with him to know he's well educated, and has more common sense than you'll ever enjoy in life. For beginners, he's a professor for graduate students in his specialty.

. . . because internet discussions are just for the purpose of status competition . . .

I mean, why would you want to actually discuss topics instead of just asserting who has the most expertise in the subject area, right?
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2020 04:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
You're one of the least informed on any subject.

You are entitled to your opinion. I do not value your opinion, which I am entitled to do. Anything else?
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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sat 18 Apr, 2020 05:08 pm
Kushner: Federal stockpile isn’t for states to use. New York got masks after friends spoke to Trump
"It's supposed to be our stockpile," Kushner claims. "It's not supposed to be state stockpiles that they then use"

APRIL 3, 2020 2:23PM (UTC)

Jared Kushner, President Donald Trump's son-in-law and White House adviser, claimed that the federal stockpile of medical supplies is not for individual states to "use," even though that is exactly the reason why the stockpile exists.

Kushner, who is said to have set up his own "shadow" coronavirus team after leading ill-fated Middle East peace negotiations, made a rare appearance at the White House press briefing on Thursday.

"You also have a situation where, in some states, FEMA allocated ventilators to the states, and you have instances where, in cities, they're running out. But the state still has a stockpile, and the notion of the federal stockpile was — it's supposed to be our stockpile. It's not supposed to be state stockpiles that they then use," Kushner told reporters. "So we're encouraging the states to make sure that they're assessing the needs. They're getting the data from their local situations and then trying to fill it with the supplies that we've given them."


Scott Huffman For Congress

@HuffmanForNC

US House candidate, NC-13
Those stockpiles were funded by Taxpayers who live in those states. Your job is to support those states. NOT HOARD!!
8:24 PM - Apr 2, 2020

Those comments contradicted the expressed purpose of the Strategic National Stockpile, which is overseen by the Department of Health and Human Services.

The stockpile is "the nation's largest supply of life-saving pharmaceuticals and medical supplies for use in a public health emergency severe enough to cause local supplies to run out," its website read on Thursday. "When state, local, tribal and territorial responders request federal assistance to support their response efforts, the stockpile ensures that the right medicines and supplies get to those who need them most during an emergency."


But after Kushner's comments were widely panned, the language on the website was quietly changed.


Daniel Dale

@ddale8
After Jared Kushner’s comment about how the Strategic National Stockpile is not supposed to be for states, lots of people pointed to the fact that its own website says it is.

The language on the website has now been changed.

My screenshot from last night vs. one from today:

View image on TwitterView image on Twitter
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Kushner's remarks were immediately criticized by Democrats.

"We are the UNITED STATES of America. The federal stockpile is reserved for all Americans living in our states, not just federal employees," Rep. Ted Lieu, D-Calif., tweeted. "Get it?"

"I hope by 'our stockpile', he means 'the country's stockpile', and if the states don't use the country's stockpile, who does?" Rep. Abigail Spanberger, D-Va., questioned.

"Years from now, historians will marvel that in the face of the worst pandemic our country has ever seen, President Trump put his idiot son-in-law in charge," Rep. Jared Huffman, D-Calif., added.

The Trump administration's insistence that states purchase their own supplies rather than create a centralized distribution system has led to states getting into bidding wars with other states, according to numerous governors. New York has been forced to pay as much as 15 times the usual price for equipment, Business Insider reported.

"Where the hell is the federal government?" New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio asked Thursday. "If help doesn't come, we're going to lose people who should not die."

But while de Blasio and New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo have publicly and repeatedly pleaded for federal help, Kushner said Thursday that the administration only sent Gotham equipment following requests from Trump's "friends."

"Very early this morning, I got a call from the president," Kushner said. "He told me he was hearing from friends of his in New York that the New York public hospital system was running low on critical supply."

Kushner added that he called up the city's top health official and quickly delivered much-needed N95 masks to the city's hospitals.

DNC War Room

@DNCWarRoom
Well, this is concerning.

Kushner says Trump finally acted on addressing supplies shortages after hearing about them “just this morning” from “friends of his in New York.”

Not the governor. Not the hospitals. Friends.

This is how Trump runs your country.
6:35 PM - Apr 2, 2020

Despite the disjointed response that resulted in states outbidding each other for life-saving supplies, Kushner argued that some governors were misinformed about the situations in their own states.

"Some governors you speak to or senators, and they don't know what's in their state," Kushner said. "You have to take inventory in your own state, and you have to show that there's a real need" to get supplies.

Aaron Rupar

@atrupar
· Apr 2, 2020
Replying to @atrupar
JARED KUSHNER: "The notion of the federal stockpile was it's supposed to be our stockpile. It's not supposed to be states stockpiles that they then use."


Aaron Rupar

@atrupar
"Some governors you speak to or senators, and they don't know what's in their state" -- Jared Kushner says he knows better than state governors and US senators about how many ventilators are in their states
7:21 PM - Apr 2, 2020

Kushner's appearance at the briefing came after he reportedly inserted himself into the White House response effort.

"Some officials said Mr. Kushner had mainly added another layer of confusion to that response, while taking credit for changes already in progress and failing to deliver on promised improvements," The New York Times reported. "Mr. Kushner early on agreed with his father-in-law that the news media was hyping the coronavirus to attack the president . . . Kushner shares the president's view that governors are driving their residents into a panic by airing worst-case projections of medical needs."

Democrats complained that Kushner was getting in the way of the FEMA response effort.

"There is some kind of communications failure between FEMA and the White House," House Homeland Security Chairman Bennie Thomson, D-Miss., told the outlet. "FEMA was brought into the response to provide logistics support and the White House should let them do their work. There is no reason for Jared or any other inexperienced person to be getting in the way of that."

The New York Times' Michelle Goldberg slammed Kushner's role in the response effort, noting that one senior official had described Kushner's team as "a 'frat party' that descended from a UFO and invaded the federal government."

"Even now, it's hard to believe that someone with as little expertise as Kushner could be so arrogant," she wrote. "Most of his other endeavors — his biggest real estate deal, his foray into newspaper ownership, his attempt to broker a peace deal between the Israelis and the Palestinians — have been failures."

Kushner's new role, she said, "is dilettantism raised to the level of sociopathy."
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 20 Apr, 2020 07:42 am
https://cdn.creators.com/204/276934/276934_image.jpg
livinglava
 
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Reply Mon 20 Apr, 2020 08:42 am
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:

https://cdn.creators.com/204/276934/276934_image.jpg

Are you trying to get Trump re-elected with this kind of superficial anti-Trump propaganda?

Why would you think that Trump-hate would do anything except provoke people into defense of Trump?

Do you think people are going to vote for Biden or anyone else running against Trump just because of negativity against Trump?

When people vote out an incumbent, it has to be because they expect the new person to do a good job. Who would vote blindly for anyone just because they have been emotionally-provoked to do so with negative propaganda like this cartoon? . . . oh wait, that is exactly what causes most Democrats to vote, isn't it?
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 20 Apr, 2020 08:53 am
Little Rubio, Crooked Hillary, Sleepy Joe ...

Please.
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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Mon 20 Apr, 2020 09:13 am
A 'War' For Medical Supplies: States Say FEMA Wins By Poaching Orders
April 15, 20204:18 PM ET
Heard on All Things Considered
Joel Rose

Vice President Mike Pence speaks as he leads a video teleconference with governors about the coronavirus, during a trip to FEMA on March 23. the Federal Emergency Management Agency is keeping a tight grip on critical medical supplies leaving the country – and coming in from overseas. This has frustrated states who are in need of masks, gowns, ventilators and other medical supplies.

As the number of coronavirus cases surged in Massachusetts, nurses at a hospital in Milford were desperate. They held up cardboard signs outside the hospital asking for donations of protective gear to wear while treating infected patients.

William Touhey Jr. thought he could help. Touhey is the fire chief and emergency management director in this small town outside of Boston. He did some legwork, and placed an order for 30,000 protective gowns from overseas.

"We were hearing good things that it was coming," Touhey said.

Then he got a phone call from the distributor last week.

"The order had been redirected, as they put it, from us to FEMA," Touhey said. "It's just the way times are right now, where everybody's fighting for a very limited supply of material."

State and local officials are caught up in a fierce global competition for masks, gowns, ventilators and other medical supplies. The White House has told them not to rely on the federal government because it's just a "backup," and to find their own gear.

At the same time, the Federal Emergency Management Agency is keeping a tight grip on critical medical supplies leaving the country – and coming in from overseas. This new system is disrupting an emergency supply chain that's been in place for decades.

And now governors, hospitals and local officials say the federal government is big-footing them by poaching the supplies they ordered.

"We had a good lead with a manufacturer on vents, and they got swept up by FEMA, so we're not getting them," Colorado Governor Jared Polis, a Democrat, in an interview with CNN this month.

Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker, a Republican, says his state placed an order for millions of N-95 respirator masks — but never got them. "We had our 3 million masks that we had ordered ... confiscated in the port in New York," Baker said at a press conference this month.

After federal officials took those masks, Baker says Massachusetts scrambled to arrange a new shipment from China. But this time, state officials used a private plane that belongs to the New England Patriots.

So where did that first order of masks end up?

"I don't have any specific information on that," said Captain W. Russell Webster, who is in charge of FEMA's coronavirus response in New England, in an interview with member station WBUR.

While he can't explain what happened to those masks, Webster said that FEMA is distributing critical medical supplies from the national stockpile based on need.

"There is a priority of distribution based on health care workers and other first-line people involved in the COVID-19 response," Webster said.

But state and local officials say they're baffled. They don't understand how distribution decisions are made. And they don't understand why FEMA is taking some of the supplies they'd already ordered.

We asked FEMA headquarters in Washington about that. In a written statement, a spokesman said FEMA does not seize or commandeer supplies that are already inside the United States. But the spokesman said that a supplier might decide to "cancel on a state contract in favor of [a] federal one."

"FEMA rightfully can say we didn't grab it from them. We just simply outbid them," said Juliette Kayyem, who teaches at the Harvard Kennedy School. "And that's clearly what's happening."

During the Obama administration, Kayyem was an assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, where it was her job to coordinate the federal and local response to disasters. She's also baffled by the Trump administration's coronavirus response.

"This White House thinks everyone before them was stupid," Kayyem said.

Until now, Kayyem says, the playbook has been that federal, state and local officials should all be pulling in the same direction. But not anymore.

"For decades, we have worked disasters the same way. The locals execute, the states coordinate and the feds support," Kayyem said. "The federal government under Donald Trump has decided it is going to essentially go to war, create a parallel response apparatus, and it's winning. That's the problem."

The federal government is winning the chaotic competition for scarce protective equipment, Kayyem says, and in the process it's driving up the price of those supplies for everybody. And leaving states and hospitals even more desperate to find what they need.
farmerman
 
  5  
Reply Tue 21 Apr, 2020 12:19 pm
@neptuneblue,
Gov of Md managed to acquire half a million antibody/antigen test kits. from S Korea.
What does Plump do, in one of his campaign "coronavirus updates" he dumps all over the guy (also a Republican) for "not getting any information". As Gov Hogan said, "On sunday the president says we are on our own("use your own resources), now today hes criticizing me for using my own resources overseas contacts .

USUALLY, in a national crisis, the President takes command and control. Not with this guy, he wants no criticism so he does nothing at all.
 

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