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House Dems: too aggressive to be constructive?

 
 
Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 07:05 pm
I was hoping that a Democratic majority in the House would lead to constructive bipartisan coalition work for a change, but now I am reading that incoming Dems worst fear is to be perceived as accommodating 'feminine' women and so it seems they are going to put energy into the identity work of establishing themselves as aggressive and thus non-traditional women rather than focusing on coming up with good policy ideas that can win widespread public approval from across the political spectrum.
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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 07:22 pm
@livinglava,
Odd. I didn't realize widespread public approval did not correspond with good public policy.
livinglava
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 07:36 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:

Odd. I didn't realize widespread public approval did not correspond with good public policy.

By 'widespread,' I am talking about approval that includes Trump supporters. In other words, end the war on Trump and try reaching out to his supporters as well as everyone else they are trying to represent and serve.

In short, stop the partisan war by coming up with constructive approaches to policy that don't alienate those whose POV differs from your own.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 08:15 pm
@livinglava,
I sure as hell dident vote in my representatives to be a Trump ass kisser like the cowardly senators. Glad there combative. About time that lying piece of zit is put down. Now if the media would just be truthful and tell the people Trump told another 35 lies today bringing his 2 year total to 25457. It would be great to see less of his ugly smirk.
livinglava
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2019 08:18 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

I sure as hell dident vote in my representatives to be a Trump ass kisser like the cowardly senators. Glad there combative. About time that lying piece of zit is put down. Now if the media would just be truthful and tell the people Trump told another 35 lies today bringing his 2 year total to 25457. It would be great to see less of his ugly smirk.

Forget about Donald Trump for a second and answer the following question sincerely:

Do you think it is possible to put forth policy ideas that can be agreed upon by people across the political spectrum, or do you think politics has devolved to a state where there is no path forward that doesn't involve each party taking turns fighting for total domination for a while until the other party does the same?
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2019 01:21 am
@livinglava,
Trump and the GOP have shown absolutely no willingness to compromise in the last two years. None. (Not to mention their eight years of total stonewallinf anything Obama, the people's choice, propoposed). Trump has shut down the government, rather than take the two billion offered because it wasn't a wall. Democtrats have been suckered too often by phony GOP "compromises". Not this time.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2019 06:31 am
@MontereyJack,
sez it all, except that LL used "dominate
also a word with the latin roots of dominutus or dominium Wink
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livinglava
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2019 10:19 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

Trump and the GOP have shown absolutely no willingness to compromise in the last two years. None. (Not to mention their eight years of total stonewallinf anything Obama, the people's choice, propoposed). Trump has shut down the government, rather than take the two billion offered because it wasn't a wall. Democtrats have been suckered too often by phony GOP "compromises". Not this time.

I've been watching the politics for years and how the Democrats twist and pervert everything to shift blame to the GOP. Believe me I am not a person who shies from constructive discussion but after seeing how the Democrats put together packages of ideas and policies that are designed to defy constructive discussion and compromise before they even are on the table, I have come to understand why what seems to be obstructionist behavior on the part of the GOP is really just them refusing to play into the manipulation games of the Democrats.

Here's the bottom line: Give up socialism and stop calling murder health care so that politics can start being about solving problems and liberating people from obstructions to solving their own problems.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2019 01:23 pm
@livinglava,
No, I'm sorry, but you are pushing the usual uber-conservative line that democracy is socialism. Doesn't wash. Has never washed. ZSince Joe McCarthy and Robert Welch, through Limbaugh and Coulter and Hannity and Fox and Friends, the right has refused to compromise and been the real haters. Remember Merrick Garland.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2019 01:28 pm
Why is anyone responding to this silly thread?
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livinglava
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2019 02:52 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

No, I'm sorry, but you are pushing the usual uber-conservative line that democracy is socialism. Doesn't wash. Has never washed. ZSince Joe McCarthy and Robert Welch, through Limbaugh and Coulter and Hannity and Fox and Friends, the right has refused to compromise and been the real haters. Remember Merrick Garland.

Democracy isn't socialism, but socialism can be pursued and pushed using the institutions of a democracy-oriented government, as well as by other means.

First of all, let's check and make sure we're both referring to the fiscal-transfer meaning of 'socialism.' There's also the socialism that's about pushing people to give up their resistance to submission to social/collective authority, but I assume you're talking about the fiscal-transfer meaning.

If so, don't you see that all sorts of methods are used to stimulate spending and fiscal stimulus by governmental policies, program funding to create jobs, laws that facilitate and protect non-governmental tactics to achieve fiscal-transfers, and so forth?

What these identity-politicking politicians are doing to facilitate socialism is as follows: they are simply using their fabulous identities to market support for their party's program, and a big part of their party's program is to dismantle resistance to subjugating the US economy to global socialism, which seeks to use it as a cog in its machinery.

The irony is that the Democrats used to be the party of stopping US jobs from being exported overseas and the Republicans were the ones who argued it was better for the overall economic greater good. The Democrats' response to that was that the 'outsourcing,' as it was called, may be good for the economy, but that it disproportionately benefited the rich while eliminating jobs for working/middle class people.

Now it seems they've figured out how to use global economic growth to their benefit, so they have abandoned the anti-outsourcing thing to Trump. They are still socialists, though; only now they want to do it by coordinating with global capitalism and making the growth/profits taxable to pay for all the stimulus spending and other social spending they do to redistribute the money before it has even been made.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2019 07:25 pm
@livinglava,
I don’t think there are many laws that could be implemented that would bring together many Democrats and Republicans.

Do you have any examples?
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2019 07:57 pm
@livinglava,
That's right, reach out to the white supremacists, the neo-Nazis, the anti-immigrant crowd. Reach out to the corporate masters of greed and their "f*ck you and the environment, too" agenda for enriching themselves.

The Republicans spent the entire eight years of Mr. Obama's administration obstructing his policies and legislative agenda for all they were worth. Now conservatives are whining about the Democrats behavior--sadly, this comes as no surprise.
livinglava
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2019 08:01 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

I don’t think there are many laws that could be implemented that would bring together many Democrats and Republicans.

Do you have any examples?

The Dems should just focus on their humanitarian and social justice goals in a way that doesn't push for socialism. They are right about wanting to right historical wrongs and save the environment by reforming industrialism, but every remedy that they come up with involves some form of fiscal stimulus. redistribution, and/or economic structuring without any plan or hope for ever turning people loose to take responsibility for their own actions without structure to guide them.

If they started talking about solving such problems without causing inflation, more spending, and if they made a point of seeking to minimize intervention and regulation by putting real thought into how private industry and people could manage their own behavior correctly with respect for their liberty, then I think it would be possible to have across-the-aisle dialog so-to-speak.

The main thing they have to do is start understanding conservative values and thinking and respecting those.
Real Music
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2019 09:40 pm
@livinglava,
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I've been watching the politics for years and how the Democrats twist and pervert everything to shift blame to the GOP. Believe me I am not a person who shies from constructive discussion but after seeing how the Democrats put together packages of ideas and policies that are designed to defy constructive discussion and compromise before they even are on the table, I have come to understand why what seems to be obstructionist behavior on the part of the GOP is really just them refusing to play into the manipulation games of the Democrats.

1. I seem to remember immediately after Obama was elected president, the GOP Senate leader Mitch McConnell stating that his number one priority was making sure president Obama’s a one-term president.

2. I also seem to remember the Tea Party House republicans voting over 50 separate times to repeal Obamacare. It might have been 60 times.

3. Let's not forget about our current despicable president, Donald Trump. Donald Trump is going out of his way to undo or eliminate anything that has Obama's name on it. Purely out of spite.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2019 02:50 am
@livinglava,
Quote:
main thing they have to do is start understanding conservative values and thinking and respecting those.
There are more of us than there are conservatives. I'd say THEY should start understanding and respecting liberal values instead of the **** they keep making up about us.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 6 Jan, 2019 05:26 am
@MontereyJack,
The issue about "the **** they make up" is sorely missed by the conservatives. Thir minds are made up to try to invent phony motives and **** like "going socialist" just in order to create tag lines that they can mindlessly repeat show after show and then deny that they "share" talk topics when its easy to see that thy share a Borg network of well rehearsed "topic points ".
They will deny that Trump lies to us on TV daily. They will deny that his understanding of the lessons of hitory is abysmal. They also deny that his deep narcissism "Trumps" his Constitutional duty to put the country before his own selfish needs.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2019 12:09 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
The Republicans spent the entire eight years of Mr. Obama's administration obstructing his policies and legislative agenda for all they were worth.
That is incorrect. After the Republicans took back the House, Boehner made a budget deal with Obama during his first term. Then Obama gave in to leftist extremists and demanded to renegotiate it, causing the deal to fall through.

It isn't the Republicans' fault that Obama gave in to extremism and ruined the deal that Boehner had made with him.


The time a president truly gets things done is during the first hundred days of each term. Obama squandered the first hundred days of his second term fighting with the NRA.

Needless to say, the NRA is more powerful than a president, and the end result was that he wasted the entire first hundred days of his second term.

It isn't the Republicans' fault that Obama chose to spend the entire first hundred days of his second term fighting with the NRA.


After the 2014 elections, moderate Republicans wanted to make a deal with Obama on immigration reform. Obama chose to undercut them and try to do immigration reform via executive order.

The Republicans certainly didn't make Obama stomp on bipartisan immigration reform.


This silly meme that the left pushes about a supposed Republican plot to not work with Obama is just an attempt to whitewash all of his failures.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2019 12:36 am
@oralloy,
Wou run up against the FACT that the Republicans very publicly waid they planned to block anything Obama proposed. And they started that policy the day he was inaugurated. They were quite public about it. Trump has NEVER had majority support for his actions.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 7 Jan, 2019 12:40 am
@MontereyJack,
Republican efforts to negotiate with Obama say otherwise.

Republicans certainly didn't force Obama to squander the entire first hundred days of his second term in a doomed fight with the NRA.
 

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