Let's fire Trump

Normally I would agree with that statement, but what I think happens with liars who are just out to make money selling their lies is that they play a game to see how long they can hold the interest of an audience.

So that was why, for example, they didn't want Trump's impeachment to go to trial, i.e. because then it would be over and no longer provide a platform for anti-Trump propaganda.

It's the same reason why someone would call the police on someone else not because they actually wanted to prove them guilty of a crime, but because they know it would harm them on job applications that ask if you've ever been arrested before asking about convictions.

In other words, people are playing games with accusations and they don't want anything to do with the truth. So you are playing into their hands when you try to prove yourself innocent, i.e. because their whole power game is to get you to react to their accusations and then use whatever you say against you.

Like it says in the Miranda warning, "anything you say or do can and will be used against you in a court of law." It shouldn't be that way, but it is people playing with the subjective impulse to react to accusations and drama and fail to see how a liar is provoking it and then shifting the blame to their victim.

And that is also a truth that is important.

Does that fit the president or what?

To a Tee.

Ah, I see . . . it was the dreaded They behind it all. They are everywhere, and, conveniently, one needn't identify Them.

Idk. I was talking about someone who might make up a sex scandal in the form of a sexual misconduct allegation in order to get a bunch of talk-show gigs and sell books, etc.

You can't question any sexual allegation without being accused of being a victim-oppressor, but I am just not willing to suspend belief in the possibility that there are people who lie to make money, and that some of them might be women who don't care about the fact that other women (and men and children) are actual victims of actual sexual abuse.

People are innocent until proven guilty, so I can't assume anyone is guilty of lying and manipulating without proof, but I also don't have to deny the intuition that tells me when something might be lying/manipulation. Obviously, time eventually tells whether accusations will be proven, abandoned, or maybe carried to the point of falsely punishing people for made-up crimes. Somewhere in all the BS, the truth is buried, even if it isn't always discovered and/or if some fake truth is accepted in its place.

Records trump has broken
Trump holds record for:

Largest stock drop in history

Largest # of unemployed in history

Highest national debt ever

Most convicted presidential team members in history.

Largest number of people in world infected by COVID-19 virus.

Largest number of people dying in world because of COVID-19

Record number of lies told to the American people. President Trump made 16,241 false or misleading claims in his first three years

Largest drop in retail sales ever - 8.7% March 2020

Lowest oil price in history, briefly dropping into the negative

New: US private payrolls drop by 20.2 million in April, the worst job loss in the history of ADP report

Shooting at OKC McDonald's over COVID-19 dining room policy leaves 3 injured

UPDATE: Oklahoma City police say original reports indicated there were two suspects, however, it was later determined to be only one suspect.

One employee was hit in the arm, a second was hit with shrapnel in the neck/shoulder and a third employee was hit with shrapnel in the side. Two of the employees are 16 years old, according to police. They were all taken to the hospital and are expected to be OK.

Oklahoma City police say the woman became agitated when told the restaurant’s dining rooms were closed due to COVID-19.


https://kfor.com/news/local/at-least-2-people-taken-to-hospital-following-shooting-in-oklahoma-city/

The more people like you demonize Trump, the more it causes me to wonder who is behind all the demonizing anti-Trumpism and why.

It amazes me that the world is so hell-bent on controlling the US government that it puts so much propaganda into trying to get him voted out.

You would think they could work diplomatically to pursue their goals and adjust to republican regimes, but they just fight a war against tariffs.

They wanted the US and other colonies to pay taxes during colonial times, so why don't they want to pay taxes to sell to the US now?

How are straight facts now considered demonization? To me, your politicalization and distortion of known facts is more demonizing.

The more you ask dumb and leading questions the more I understand Trump's popularity with the basket of deplorables.

Tariffs on their own aren't bad, though capitalists are against them on free market principle and Republicans are against other countries tariffs as "protectionism" and for their own as buffers against "dumping".

Trumps tariffs have significantly hurt our agricultural businesses while opening our now closed foreign markets to other suppliers from around the world.

Has anyone ever told you how much you sound like lash?

Woman who accused Fauci of sex assault now says Trump supporters paid her to lie

Published 1 min ago

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/woman-who-accused-fauci-of-sex-assault-now-says-trump-supporters-paid-her-to-lie/

on May 7, 2020

By Travis Gettys

A woman who had accused Dr. Anthony Fauci of sexual assault now claims she was paid to lie about the public health expert by a pair of President Donald Trump’s supporters.

The woman says right-wing provocateur Jacob Wohl and his frequent accomplice Jack Burkman persuaded her to cast Fauci as the assailant using details from an actual sexual assault she survived just after high school, and they paid her to do it, reported Reason.

“The reality is that I’ve known Jacob since 2018 and that he charmed me into taking money to do this (see attached picture of us together),” said Diana Andrade in an email to the website. “[They also] had me do something like this…back in January.”
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Andrade said she decided to abandon her claims and try to record incriminating evidence against the pair after Wohl asked her to find another woman to accuse Fauci of sexual assault — as they’ve done to former special counsel Robert Mueller and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA).

“Let me tell you something, Diana,” says Burkman on the nine-minute, 35-second call. “This guy shut the country down. He put 40 million people out of work. In a situation like that, you have to make up whatever you have to make up to stop that train and that’s the way life works, okay? That’s the way it goes.”

Andrade reminds the pair that COVID-19 was dangerous, and asked them to take the outbreak seriously — but Burkman seemed excited about mass deaths.

“Mother Nature has to clean the barn every so often,” Burkman says. “How real is it? Who knows? So what if 1 percent of the population goes? So what if you lose 400,000 people? 200,000 were elderly, the other 200,000 are the bottom of society. You got to clean out the barn. If it’s real, it’s a positive thing, for God’s sake.”

Andrade sounded horrified by his “survival of the fittest” argument, and then Wohl begged her to keep her mouth shut and stick with her story.

“What could be wrong, Diana?” Wohl asks. “You did a good job, you got paid. What’s the problem? What seems to be the issue? You’re freaking out. You’re texting me late at night. What’s the issue?”

Andrade asks whether a man who hand-delivered five figures to her in Los Angeles was actually a lawyer, as the pair claimed, and Wohl boasts that the attorney has White House connections.

“Yeah, he’s a real lawyer,” Wohl says. “He’s a good lawyer.”

Shortly after the call ended, Andrade decided to send the recording to Reason and expose the pair’s nefarious scheme.

“I don’t know how they do all these things and why they do all these things,” Andrade said. “Also, he tried to frame Mueller … I’m like, how is he not in jail?”

Because the left has developed the skill of taking facts and using them as material to spin into ammunition for political attacks.

There is no competition for which party is the most sin-free. A hypothetically perfect person can still profess bad ideology and govern badly.

You want to get people to vote Democrat by demonizing Republicans with facts, but even if those facts are true, you still can't make the Democrats right by painting an ugly picture of their adversaries.

Somehow you have to make the Democrats right, but that involves shrinking socialism back to the level of basic needs guarantees instead of being a huge system for stimulating inflationary growth that taxes wealth by inflating it to stimulate business/stock market growth.

The other problem with the Democrats is that they simply refuse to see that their method of pursuing sustainability and social justice goals stimulates the very economy that produces environmental and social injustices. You can't get less people to drive and reduce sprawl if you keep stimulating the economy to pay for them all to afford cars and buy houses in subdivisions funded by growth-stimulus.

The Democrats like to come up with ideas that give the people what they want while stimulating the economy by making policies that look like solutions, but which don't actually do anything but whitewash/greenwash the causes of the problems they pretend to solve.

Subsidies, for example, drive up prices and make things less affordable, from housing to health care. They do this because it feeds into their growth-redistribution machine, and because they like the industrial-consumer way of life and want to expand the middle-class without first reforming the culture to be sustainable.

Is that your way of saying the truth hurts?

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"Alternate" facts are LIES! You want to build your case on lies. Thanks for the heads up, but that's been obvious from the git go.

Trump was "upset" when he found out his personal valet has COVID-19.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/07/politics/trump-valet-tests-positive-covid-19/index.html


A member of the US Navy who serves as one of President Donald Trump's personal valets has tested positive for coronavirus, CNN has learned Thursday, raising concerns about the President's possible exposure to the virus.

The valets are members of an elite military unit dedicated to the White House and often work very close to the President and first family. Trump was upset when he was informed Wednesday that the valet had tested positive, a source told CNN, and he was subsequently tested again by the White House physician.

-snip-

"We were recently notified by the White House Medical Unit that a member of the United States Military, who works on the White House campus, has tested positive for Coronavirus," deputy White House press secretary Hogan Gidley said in a statement. "The President and the Vice President have since tested negative for the virus and they remain in great health."

A White House source said the valet, a man who has not been identified, exhibited "symptoms" Wednesday morning, and said the news that someone close to Trump had tested positive for coronavirus was "hitting the fan" in the West Wing.

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Tweet from Frank Figliuzzi, former FBI Assistant Director and NBC News contributor:

https://twitter.com/FrankFigliuzzi1/status/1258413177491972097


And Trump exposed everyone on his Arizona trip: Donald Trump's White House Navy valet tests POSITIVE for coronavirus #coronavirus

You don't get what I'm saying. For discussion's sake, let's say someone is bad at math, their breath stinks, and they're ugly. Those may all be facts, but you want to use them as ammunition to demonize the person and thus win against them politically, and that makes you a worse person than them.

You mean like the way you guys go on about Joe Biden?

Is that senile bastard supposed to be immune from criticism? Uh, no.

I can quote experts who opine on Trump's well video'd whackiness.

Can you name one who can professionally opine Joe's alleged senility?

I can cite name and qualifications, can you? Feel free to fact check mine, I will certainly fact check yours.

'You guys?'

Look, the point is that politics isn't supposed to be a competition for who can demonize the other more.

I criticize the Democratic party a lot, but that is because I have specific reasons their policies don't function the way they market them.

In principle I still hold many of the same environmental and social aspirations, but I don't think they pursue them right; and when I suggest solutions that cost less and rely more on individual self-sufficiency, I get dismissed as a Republican. I am actually against partisanism altogether, but because the Republican party represents more of the values I believe in, I have a harder time critiquing them. Where I don't have a hard time critiquing them is in turning a blind eye to all the ways in which liberty fails to achieve a good society, but I think a lot of that is because of liberals of both parties failing to adequately self-regulate in their economic/personal behavior.

My point isn't demonization but rather constructive critique. You would notice that if you read my last post.

If you want to constructively critique the Republican party, that would make it easier to discuss your POV. As long as you are just lashing out and demonizing, there's no way to discuss anything in a constructive way.

As a life long, fourth generation Republican I will continue to criticize the the party with truth and facts.

I want the country back, and I want my party back from all you libertarian Trumpallos. Faux Republicans the bunch of you.

You nits confuse "Conservatism" with being Republican. You all wish to conserve an America that never ever was.