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Let's fire Trump

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2020 06:10 am
@neptuneblue,
Snopes is often an embarrassment for the deniers and the Trumpies. Its an "inconvenient truth" that interferes with their worldview.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2020 06:42 am
@farmerman,
I chose that particular one because it distinctly shows how Trump can manipulate and deceive the general public. Without any kind of evidence, he blows lies and when he gets caught lying, doubles down on nothingness. His followers take it for granted because their hatred for democracy runs so strong.

Again, Trump sows seeds of confusion, voter suppression and mistrust. Dirty tricks is all he knows. If he were so positive he's the "best" why does he stoop to such lows?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2020 10:57 am
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
His followers take it for granted because their hatred for democracy runs so strong.

One example of Trump's people hate for democracy please.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2020 11:46 am
@coldjoint,
Here ya go:


Republicans Seek To Toss Out 127,000 Ballots In Democratic-Leaning Texas County
November 1, 202011:16 AM ET
ALANA WISE

Republicans in Texas have asked the courts to toss out some 127,000 early ballots cast by voters in Harris County, arguing that the votes — delivered via drive-through in the heavily Democratic area — violate the U.S. Constitution and should be deemed invalid.

The plaintiffs argue that the drive-throughs are an illegal extension of curbside voting, which is available at all county voting locations and is designated for people who have an illness or disability.

The Democratic Harris County clerk, Chris Hollins, dismissed the lawsuit as "baseless" in an interview with NPR's Weekend Edition.

"This is simply an un-American attempt to disenfranchise voters," he said, noting that no one knows whom the ballots were cast for and that rejecting them would likely affect thousands of Republicans too.


U.S. District Judge Andrew Hanen in Houston, seen as a deeply conservative federal magistrate, is set to rule over the complaint.

Throughout the campaign, Republicans and President Trump have baselessly claimed that various efforts — particularly mail-in voting — intended to accommodate voters amid the coronavirus pandemic pave the way for fraud.

Election security experts have repeatedly said that there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud, though there are active attempts to sow disinformation among the electorate.

The case of the Harris County ballots is set to be heard Monday morning.

Hollins said on Sunday that he expects to win, but "in a totally extreme downside scenario, we would need to encourage those 127,000 Harris County voters to come back out on Tuesday and cast a provisional ballot to make sure that in any circumstance their vote was counted. We're hoping it doesn't come to that."
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2020 12:12 pm
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
Here ya go:

So your example is a legal challenge that is welcome in our system and well within the boundaries of democracy? Try again.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2020 12:22 pm
@coldjoint,
Only people who hate democracy would believe that.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2020 01:06 pm
@farmerman,
@neptuneblue,
Trump and his cohorts claim there is fraud, but have never provided any evidence. Calling anything fraudulent without providing evidence is the fraud.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2020 01:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

@neptuneblue,
Trump and his cohorts claim there is fraud, but have never provided any evidence. Calling anything fraudulent without providing evidence is the fraud.


The fraudulent ballots that have been found are evidence. Next.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2020 03:07 pm
@coldjoint,
These are not fraudulent ballots. What can constitute fraud is the nonstop GOP bombardment of the LEGAL voting system. Even AFTER being rejected, they still refuse to admit defeat.

Texas Supreme Court rejects Republican-led effort to throw out nearly 127,000 Harris County votes

A handful of GOP activists and candidates had asked the state's highest civil court to rule Harris County's drive-thru voting locations illegal, and invalidate votes that have already been cast. The challenge has also been filed in federal court.

BY JOLIE MCCULLOUGH NOV. 1, 20201 HOUR AGO

A legal cloud hanging over nearly 127,000 votes already cast in Harris County was at least temporarily lifted Sunday when the Texas Supreme Court rejected a request by several conservative Republican activists and candidates to preemptively throw out early balloting from drive-thru polling sites in the state's most populous, and largely Democratic, county.

The all-Republican court denied the request without an order or opinion, as justices did last month in a similar lawsuit brought by some of the same plaintiffs.

The Republican plaintiffs, however, are pursuing a similar lawsuit in federal court, hoping to get the votes thrown out by arguing that drive-thru voting violates the U.S. constitution. A hearing in that case is set for Monday morning in a Houston-based federal district court, one day before Election Day. A rejection of the votes would constitute a monumental disenfranchisement of voters — drive-thru ballots account for about 10% of all in-person ballots cast during early voting in Harris County.

After testing the approach during the July primary runoff with little controversy, Harris County, home to Houston, set up 10 drive-thru centers for the fall election to make early voting easier for people concerned about entering polling places during the pandemic. Voters pull up in their cars, and after their registrations and identifications have been confirmed by poll workers are handed an electronic tablet through their car windows to cast ballots.

In a last-minute filing to the Supreme Court, litigious conservative Steven Hotze and Harris County Republicans state Rep. Steve Toth, congressional candidate Wendell Champion and judicial candidate Sharon Hemphill sought to have the votes declared illegal. They argued that the drive-thru program was an expansion of curbside voting, and under state election law should only be available for voters with disabilities. The same argument had been made in an unsuccessful previous legal challenge from Hotze and Hemphill — along with the Harris County Republican Party — filed at the state Supreme Court hours before early voting began.

Curbside voting, long available under Texas election law, requires workers at every polling place to deliver onsite curbside ballots to voters who are “physically unable to enter the polling place without personal assistance or likelihood of injuring the voter's health.” Posted signs at polling sites notify voters to ring a bell, call a number or honk to request curbside assistance.

The Harris County Clerk’s Office argued that its drive-thru locations are separate polling places, distinct from attached curbside spots, and therefore can be available to all voters. The clerk’s filing with the Supreme Court in the earlier lawsuit also said the Texas secretary of state’s office had approved of drive-thru voting. Keith Ingram, the state’s chief election official, said in a court hearing last month in another lawsuit that drive-thru voting is “a creative approach that is probably okay legally,” according to court transcripts.

Plus, the county argued in a Friday filing that Texas's election code, along with court rulings, have determined that even if the drive-thru locations are violations, votes cast there are still valid.

"More than a century of Texas case law requires that votes be counted even if election official[s] violate directory election laws," the filing said.

The challenge was the latest in a flurry of lawsuits on Texas voting procedures filed in recent months, with Democrats and voting rights groups pushing for expanded voting access in the pandemic and Republicans seeking to limit voting options. In this case, the lawsuit filed Tuesday asked the state Supreme Court to close Harris County’s 10 new drive-thru polling places and not count votes that had been cast at them during early voting.

The court has recently ruled against other last-minute challenges on voting access by noting that the cases were filed too late, and that changes to voting procedure during an election would sow voter confusion.

Since the first Republican challenge to drive-thru voting was filed on Oct. 12, the Texas secretary of state and Gov. Greg Abbott had both ignored requests from reporters and Harris County officials to clarify their positions on whether the process was legal. Republican Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton sent a letter to all local election officials claiming that most voters can’t legally vote at drive-thru locations, fueling speculation that the all-Republican Supreme Court would use the case to invalidate ballots already cast. The court rejected the case the next week, with a lone dissent from Justice John Devine.

The new challenge by Republicans again asked the court to reject drive-thru voting as an illegal expansion of curbside voting, and went further by also asking the court to issue an order rejecting votes already cast.

“Unless stopped, illegal votes will be cast and counted in direct violation of the Texas Election Code and the United States Constitution and result in the integrity of elections in Harris County being compromised,” the petition to the court said.

The county clerk's office countered that the first challenge to drive-thru voting had already been denied, and the second filing came much too late.
"Hotze filed a petition contesting drive thru locations on the third day of early voting which this Court already denied," the clerk's Friday filing said. "He filed this second petition two-and-a-half weeks into early voting, six days before Election Day, and after fifty percent of registered voters have already voted."

The tens of thousands of votes are still in flux, however, as the federal courts now weigh the issue. Hotze and the others asked the district court this week to toss the votes, arguing the county's implementation of drive-thru voting violates the U.S. Constitution. The campaign of Texas' Democratic U.S. Senate candidate, MJ Hegar, along with national Democratic campaign groups have asked to intervene in the lawsuit — following a national trend in Republican-led fights against voting expansions during the tumultuous election.
BillW
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2020 04:56 pm
@neptuneblue,
ci, Neptune, the joke is on you two - the Constitution mentions nothing about cars, therefore anything dealing with cars is Unconditional! Duh!

(I did my best cj disguise......But used the same mental capability.....)
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2020 07:13 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:

ci, Neptune, the joke is on you two - the Constitution mentions nothing about cars, therefore anything dealing with cars is Unconditional! Duh!

(I did my best cj disguise......But used the same mental capability.....)

You can't use what you don't have.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2020 07:14 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Snopes is often an embarrassment for the deniers and the Trumpies. Its an "inconvenient truth" that interferes with their worldview.


Snopes lies and I have proven it.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2020 07:20 pm
@coldjoint,
It has screen shots. That means it's ten times more creditable than your youtube crap you post.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2020 07:40 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:

It has screen shots. That means it's ten times more creditable than your youtube crap you post.

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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2020 07:47 pm
@coldjoint,
Not yet, I'll feel much better when Biden kicks Trump out of the White House.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 1 Nov, 2020 07:59 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:

Not yet, I'll feel much better when Biden kicks Trump out of the White House.

Does not look like that is going to happen. The polls are to demoralize Trump supporters and have had the opposite effect. I expect Republicans to take the House back too.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2020 12:18 am
If he wins again, I truly can’t say what I will do.

His win in 2016 affected me in many ways - none of them good. It made me question the way I looked at the world. It shook everything I thought I understood about people I know. It planted a bitter seed of doubt and fear - a seed of hard,cold cynicism inside me. It made me feel emotions the exact opposite of the relieving, refreshing optimism I experienced when the first black man became president.

So, anxious doesn’t quite explain my state of being right now, but I guess it’s the closest word I have to describing the low-key horror and unease I am living. As I wait. To see if the world is going to gather itself and come to it’s senses, or settle more deeply into mass insanity.
derpydoo
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2020 01:09 am
@snood,
2016 election was the worst day of my life. Worst than when my brother was murdered, and worse than when I had to sue my doctor for botched surgery. Trump being elected was worse than the holocaust and 9/11. One thing for certain is that trump will make it illegal to be black if re-elected. But don't worry, Biden will win. If he doesn't win, people will take things into their own hands.
roger
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2020 02:43 am
SMH
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 2 Nov, 2020 03:02 am
@derpydoo,
Did your parents have any children that lived?
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