Let's fire Trump

@neptuneblue,

Quote:

Building a wall on the Southern border is useless and not cost effective.
Partial travel bans are useless and not cost effective.
Unemployment figures are useless and are not cost effective.
Economy based on the stock market is useless and not cost effective.
Energy prop ups are useless and not cost effective.
Trade tariffs are useless and not cost effective.
Bypassing Congress is useless and not cost effective.

You ruined it with the cost effective ****. Who in politics cares about cost effectiveness? Certainly not Democrats after what they just held out for while businesses failed. Damn. Next.

1 Reply

@coldjoint,

Again, you refuse to turn a critical eye as you've always done to anybody else.

1 Reply

@neptuneblue,

Quote:

Again, you refuse to turn a critical eye

Like you and others have done with the ridiculous impeachment and your denial of a soft coup by the Obama holdovers and the Deep State?

You need to practice what you preach.

1 Reply

@coldjoint,

The impachment stands. The fact that the GOP has a herd immunity to backbones resulted in the acquittal. We all knew th clowns of the Senate would find him innocent.(Just like OJ was innocent eh?)

2 Replies

@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

The impachment stands. The fact that the GOP has a herd immunity to backbones resulted in the acquittal. We all knew th clowns of the Senate would find him innocent.(Just like OJ was innocent eh?)

What do you do when people won't stop persecuting Trump or anyone else, even though you hold a trial and acquit him, blocking him from double-jeopardy?

The reason these due processes and rights of the accused exist is to stop such relentless persecution. If it doesn't stop, at what point to go a step further to criminalize those who won't cease and desist?

You may believe that OJ wasn't innocent, and only God knows the ultimate truth, but by law you have no right to persecute him after he was found not guilty. You have the right to think whatever you want, but you also have the duty to respect the acquittal.

Do you feel that the constitution does too much to protect the accused from double-jeopardy?

2 Replies

@livinglava,

You're under the impression that Trump will quit saying and doing stupid ****. All double jeopardy means is that he cannot be charged again for the same offense. Ok, how about new, unbridled illegal ****? Because he won't stop. He'll once again break the law, and again, Congress will have to bring him to justice.

0 Replies

@livinglava,

an impechmnt "trial" is a political not a legal action. Its tried like a court but, as you see, no GOPer would dare vote for a conviction.
Because he was acquitted does not mean hes innocent. Theres where the law made the distinction. "Not guilty" does not man innocent, especially in an impeachment trial.

The neat thing is that he doesnt skate free after hes thrown out of office.

As far as OJ, what can I do to dishonor the acquittal. It was a travesty of justice (on both sides). HAs anyone closed the case yet??
My opinion is that he was guilty and just found not guilty by circumstances of a couple felon policemen and a shifty defense tam that played every race card they could. After OJ dies there will be more definitive books as they unseal certain aspects of the case.

P, the way I think and conclude stuff is yours to try to counter , if you can.

2 Replies

@farmerman,

I think OJ is the perfect example. He did get acquitted for a double murder.

But he didn't stop doing stupid **** and was sentenced 9-33 yrs in prison for armed robbery.

That will be Trump.

2 Replies

@neptuneblue,

I hope Trump will enjoy the at-home comforts of some state operated "Hotel"

Ll's comment about "Doubl jeopardy" applied not at all since it only has to do with protection of civil right in a criminal court. The only punishment resulting from the impeachment would be to toss the Plumpster out of office, and we all knew that wouldnt happen. He still wears the "One of three presi whove been impeached"

0 Replies

@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

an impechmnt "trial" is a political not a legal action. Its tried like a court but, as you see, no GOPer would dare vote for a conviction.
Because he was acquitted does not mean hes innocent. Theres where the law made the distinction. "Not guilty" does not man innocent, especially in an impeachment trial.

I think the law says people are "innocent until proven guilty," but I agree with you that there is a difference between what human/legal institutions say and what the ultimate truth may be. Humans and our institutions are not perfect and cannot be by virtue of our fundamentally imperfect nature and that of the world generally.

Quote:

The neat thing is that he doesnt skate free after hes thrown out of office.

What does that mean?

Quote:

As far as OJ, what can I do to dishonor the acquittal. It was a travesty of justice (on both sides). HAs anyone closed the case yet??
My opinion is that he was guilty and just found not guilty by circumstances of a couple felon policemen and a shifty defense tam that played every race card they could. After OJ dies there will be more definitive books as they unseal certain aspects of the case.

Well, that is the question indeed, "what constitutes dishonor of an acquittal." Presumably there is some line to be defined that constitutes slander/harassment, etc. when crossed. I don't know where that line is and how the law would define it. We live in an age of online discourse where the lines are blurred between media outlets and general public social interaction, so if we started a movement online to harass OJ, would we be liable for some kind of cyber-bullying or slander or something like that? Idk.

Quote:

P, the way I think and conclude stuff is yours to try to counter , if you can.

I often have trouble understanding things you've typed because I can't tell exactly what is typing mistakes and/or what you actually meant to type and/or say.

0 Replies

@neptuneblue,

neptuneblue wrote:

I think OJ is the perfect example. He did get acquitted for a double murder.

But he didn't stop doing stupid **** and was sentenced 9-33 yrs in prison for armed robbery.

That will be Trump.

I have no reason to care about OJ or Trump since I don't know either personally, but I often see famous celebrities getting in trouble and I question whether there weren't strings pulled in ways that biased the whole process against them because of some powerful interests that had their way behind the scenes.

I think when really powerful interests want to get you for whatever reason, they can do so through institutional means and not just by paying a hit man to shoot you or whatever. I know I can't prove what I'm saying here, but it is just something that seems likely to me because of the nature of power and the potential for corrupt people to abuse institutional power for money/bribes or otherwise.

0 Replies

1 Reply

@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

The more anti-Trumpism you post, the more you are campaigning for his re-election.

Do you understand that and you're good with it, or are you actually trying to prevent him from getting re-elected?

1 Reply

@livinglava,

Quote:

The more anti-Trumpism you post, the more you are campaigning for his re-election.

Surely you aren't suggesting his Basket of Deplorables are low information voters who don't give a poop about his record, are you? If you're correct nothing I post either way mean anything to them. They can't be positively inclined. They feel honest, factual criticism demeans the President?

They certainly never let up on Obama and their crap was terrible:

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZAdvMGQwmZM/TuXSm4hKXUI/AAAAAAAB7bI/AvnadqHELGg/s1600/funny+anti+obama+pictures+%252824%2529.jpg

I guess a little truth hurts their tender little place where a heart should be.

2 Replies

@bobsal u1553115,

Quote:

They certainly never let up on Obama and their crap was terrible:

That is a wonderful example because Obama did put terrorism on steroids. He traded 5 Taliban leaders for one traitor. He sent Iran over 1 billion in cash. And he withdrew all the troops from Iran and created ISIS.

As far as being a Muslim, it really did not matter, he did what a Muslim would do.

1 Reply

@coldjoint,

he didnt "give" Iran any of our money, he released thir funds that we held . We entered an agreement with a number of other countries. AND TRUMP just blew it all to **** so weve reaped whatever will happen just because of his extreme need for attention . hes not really adept at statesmanship , hes a clown

2 Replies

@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Quote:
The more anti-Trumpism you post, the more you are campaigning for his re-election.

Surely you aren't suggesting his Basket of Deplorables are low information voters who don't give a poop about his record, are you? If you're correct nothing I post either way mean anything to them. They can't be positively inclined. They feel honest, factual criticism demeans the President?

What I'm trying to explain is that people shoot into defense of someone who is being attacked/criticized. Even if the criticism is legitimate, people's hearts go out to someone under attack and they see fault in the critics.

Quote:

They certainly never let up on Obama and their crap was terrible:

And is Obama more beloved or hated today because of all the negativity against him?

Quote:

I guess a little truth hurts their tender little place where a heart should be.

You say monstrous, dehumanizing things. Everyone has a heart. When Democrats call Republicans heartless, it just shows how they've learned to control empathy to support their friends and shun their enemies, whom they relegate to subhuman status.

0 Replies

@farmerman,

Quote:

he didnt "give" Iran any of our money, he released thir funds that we held

After every president since Carter did not. They did not because Iran sponsored terrorism. That did not seem to bother Obama. Why?

1 Reply

@farmerman,

And the money was spent on humanitarian supplies like medicines, hospital goods and food.

0 Replies

@coldjoint,

Bull ****. Just plain out and out Bull ****.

Maybe you'd like to inform your opinion:

https://iranprimer.usip.org/resource/timeline-us-sanctions

https://iranprimer.usip.org/resource/george-w-bush-administration

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/jul/29/reince-priebus/iran-nuclear-deal-was-hillary-clintons-and-it-line/

https://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/reagan-explains-secret-sale-of-arms-to-iran-nov-13-1986-099742

1 Reply

Let's fire Trump

Related Topics

Quick Links

My Account

able2know