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@farmerman,

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how do you test dead pople for covid??

Do you know what comorbidity is? Lots of those people died from existing conditions aggravated by the virus. Meaning the virus was not the sole cause of their demise.

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@neptuneblue,

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I don’t know what the ratings are for the president’s embarrassing daily briefings, where he boasts about the federal response, hints at miracle cures and quick return to normalcy and trashes the media for allegedly ginning up the crisis to harm his re-election, as the medical professionals struggle to keep straight faces behind him. If he’s lucky, these sessions are just background noise for most Americans, too busy trying to stay safe and worrying about loved ones and their future to digest more than an occasional Trump soundbite.

But whatever it is they’re digesting, this poll suggest most Americans are tuning out his messages.

Whoever wrote this doesn't understand the separation between maintaining hopes and dreams and dealing with reality. Some people think the only way they can deal with reality is to eliminate all hoping and dreaming in order to devote their entire mind to realism. Other people realize that it's unrealistic to try to purge hoping and dreaming from the human processes of future-work, spiritual contemplation, etc.; so they will think about full churches at Easter even if they know there is a real possibility it won't be a good idea due to health concerns at the time.

Easter is and will be Easter regardless of whether people go to church or not.

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Matthew 18:20 New International Version (NIV)

20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”

Actually, it's even true when you are by yourself - but the fundamental principle is that God and Holy Spirit are with you regardless of whether you can congregate or not and/or how you do so, e.g. virtually.

Many people can only attend services via TV or internet, or they might just read the Bible by themselves. What matters is the spirit of Easter, however it manifests.

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@livinglava,

Apparently, YOU don't understand Trump wants the public to ignore social distancing and by Easter, to get back in close proximity by returning to work and social events.

It's not hope and prayer, it's survival and listening to experts. Btw, that isn't Trump.

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@neptuneblue,

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Trump wants the public to ignore social distancing

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Trump Wants to Reopen America 'By Easter.' But That's (Mostly) Up to the States, Not the President

There you go, what are you worried about? It is actually a decision for the Governors of the states.
https://time.com/5809962/trump-coronavirus-easter/

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@neptuneblue,

neptuneblue wrote:

Apparently, YOU don't understand Trump wants the public to ignore social distancing and by Easter, to get back in close proximity by returning to work and social events.

It's not hope and prayer, it's survival and listening to experts. Btw, that isn't Trump.

What makes you assume you understand Trump, hope, and/or prayer?

Do you know how many posts I read that misunderstand prayer and spirituality in general?

We live in a materialist age where spirituality and religion have become so misunderstood.

What I said about realism is totally valid. There are so many people who think that their minds are better if they ridicule imagination, hope, dreaming, etc. into the ground and replace it with 'realism.'

They don't realize how unrealistic pure realism is because they can't face the fact that their realism is nothing more than another way of imagining/dreaming/hoping.

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A timeline showing Democrat priorities. Corona virus was not a priority.

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A short video piqued my curiosity about events happening in January and February. So, to illustrate Adam Schiff’s dearth of intellectual honesty and his propensity to spin deceptions, let’s examine a timeline of events showing the overlap of COVID-19’s outbreak with impeachment proceedings.

January 11: China reports their first death from the virus (ABC News)
January 12: White House prepares to respond to impeachment articles (CNN)
January 14: House Democrats release documents from a Giuliani associate about Ukraine (PBS)
January 15: Nancy Pelosi hands out “golden pens” after signing the articles of impeachment (video)
January 19: The United States has its first case of the virus (New England Journal of Medicine)
January 22: House Managers make opening arguments on impeachment (NPR), The proceedings continue until February 3
January 22: With 17 dead, China suspends all outbound public transport from Wuhan (The Guardian)
January 29: United States Senators begin asking their questions in the impeachment trial (Vox)
January 30: The World Health Organization declares a global health emergency (New York Times)
January 30: Nancy Pelosi says House could take further action if Senate acquits (ABC News)
January 31: Trump declares public health emergency, restricts travel from China (NPR)
January 31: Trump administration “drastically escalates its response” to the coronavirus epidemic, requiring quarantines and health screenings (Washington Post)
January 31: Senate votes against calling witnesses to testify in the Senate (CNBC)
February 3: House impeachment arguments come to a close (Fox News)
February 4: Democrat House members and the World Health Organization criticize Trump’s decision to restrict travel from China (Politico)
February 4: In his State of the Union speech, Trump addresses the COVID-19 outbreak (Video)
February 4: Nancy Pelosi rips up her copy of the State of the Union speech on national TV (Video)
February 5: US Senate votes to acquit President Trump on impeachment charges (CBS News)
February 6: Nancy Pelosi press conference; defends ripping up Trump’s “falsehoods” (Boston Globe)
February 9: Pelosi criticizes Trump’s budget, even with its increases to Medicare/Medicaid (Washington Times)
February 13: Pelosi accuses Attorney General Barr of damaging the rule of law (Washington Post)
February 13: Pelosi criticizes Trump for “abuse of power” in talking about Roger Stone (Politico)
February 13: Pelosi accuses Trump of politicizing the intelligence community (Politico)
February 22: Trump appoints Vice President Pence to oversee US Gov’t virus response team (BBC)
February 22: Pelosi makes misleading statements about Trump; also criticizes Trump for acting too late on the virus (Video)

https://uncoverdc.com/2020/03/26/dear-adam-schiff-shove-it/

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Thanks to that idiot Trump we are about to pass Italy in carno virus cases we've already passed China. And idiot republicans like you are still claiming he is a better man than Christ.

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@RABEL222,

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And idiot republicans

And do nothing Democrats who have done nothing but try to impeach Trump. They ignored the virus completely. You can see what they did in that timeline.

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@coldjoint,

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And idiot republicans

And do nothing Democrats who have done nothing but try to impeach Trump. They ignored the virus completely. You can see what they did in that timeline.

This is a lie. The Democrats in the House were pushing for preparedness for the virus since early Feburary at least.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/05/watch-us-house-panel-holds-hearing-on-the-coronavirus-outbreak.html

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@maxdancona,

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This is a lie. The Democrats in the House were pushing for preparedness for the virus since early Feburary at least.

They did not make much noise did they? You see the timeline, it was all get Trump.

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@coldjoint,

It seems like they were doing both. The Democratic House took the virus more seriously more early than either the Republican Senate or the White House.

In early February the public health experts called the new virus "worrying", but at that time they didn't see it as an immediate threat to the United States. The Democrats in the house called for preparedness.

It was early March before everyone (except for Trump) realized what a big deal this pandemic was going to be.

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Here are the people the Democrats are worried about.

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Coronavirus Stimulus Contains Whopping $350 Million Refugee Resettlement Boondoggle

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The Washington D.C. Swamp appears to have succeeded in utilizing one of its oldest cards in this instance, attaching a totally unrelated refugee proposal to a sorely needed economic relief package. It’s likely the proposal would have shot down on other circumstances, but congressional Democrats ultimately proved tactful enough to advance their preferred and entirely unrelated special interest in a moment of great legislative urgency.

Political blackmail and complete disregard for the citizens, like usual.
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/coronavirus-stimulus-contains-whopping-350-million-refugee-resettlement-boondoggle/

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@coldjoint,

coldjoint wrote:

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This is a lie. The Democrats in the House were pushing for preparedness for the virus since early Feburary at least.

They did not make much noise did they? You see the timeline, it was all get Trump.

To be fair, no one could see the future. It makes no more sense to accuse the Dems of not doing enough as it does to accuse Trump or other GOP people.

Unless you think that people were convinced it was time to act and still did nothing, it doesn't make sense to accuse them. The only reason what you're saying makes sense is because people are saying that the Dems had a pandemic preparedness plan that Trump ignored, but of course he and other Republicans would suspect it as being spending-impetus because they know that Dems look for excuses to generate spending for the sake of growth and jobs without concern for protecting people against taxes or inflation or other negative consequences of economic growth.

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@maxdancona,

First of all, I'd like to commend you for not making all sorts of bizarre arguments that it's unreasonable for me to ask for the quotation in question. You know as well as I do that many members would have done exactly that.

As to the point in question, here is the same quotation with the preceding words added:

Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. You know that, right? Coronavirus. They’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, ‘How’s President Trump doing?’ They go, ‘Oh, not good, not good.’ They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa, they can’t even count. No they can’t. They can’t count their votes.

One of my people came up to me and said, ‘Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia. That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything, they tried it over and over, they’ve been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning, they lost, it’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax. But you know, we did something that’s been pretty amazing. We’re 15 people [cases of coronavirus infection] in this massive country. And because of the fact that we went early, we went early, we could have had a lot more than that.

The "new hoax" he speaks of is the Democratic assertion that president Trump's handling of the virus situation is "not good."

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@Brandon9000,

Trump goes on to minimize the seriousness of the corona virus, comparing it to the flu. I believe that undercuts the argument.

Do you actually believe that Trump is handling the virus situation well?

I have posted in the exponential mathematics thread that given the current trend, the number of corona virus deaths in the US could exceed one million. If this is the case, what would you like to see Trump do? (He is the president, this has nothing to do with the Democrats).

His assertion that the American economy should be opened by Easter is infuriating (and this has nothing to do with the fact he is Trump). If he took this seriously, and provided clear leadership based on the scientific facts... I would praise Trump.

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@maxdancona,

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Trump goes on to minimize the seriousness of the corona virus,

We do not even know how serious it is. The is not enough information to even determine the mortality rate. The deaths it is recorded as causing is very misleading. Flu causes death from pneumonia, flu is not listed as the cause of death, pneumonia is.

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@coldjoint,

We actually know quite a bit. We know the growth rate. We know the number of deaths is increasing exponentially. We know that hospitals are filling.

When there are more that 10,000 deaths in the US from Corona virus by April 6, will you admit that this is serious?

What will it take to get you to accept the facts?

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@maxdancona,

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We know the number of deaths is increasing exponentially.

Wrong, the number of cases are increasing and many are asymptomatic and many will go unreported. You are not telling the whole truth which is no surprise.

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@coldjoint,

So... What evidence will it take for you to change your mind? Are you closed minded about this.

I believe there will be 10,000 American deaths by April 6.... and given the trend there could be over a million US deaths by the end of April (there will be if the current trend continues).

We are taking about a real possibility that over a million Americans will have died with the virus by the end of next month.

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@maxdancona,

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We are taking about a real possibility that over a million Americans will have died with the virus by the end of next month.

I do not know what "we" you are talking about.

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