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Trump, be a leader, not a blamer.

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 02:29 pm
@livinglava,
livinglava wrote:
It is doubtful anyone would have surrendered to the threat of nuclear destruction without it having been done in practice somewhere. If they would have just sent out films of the testing of the weapons, people might have thought it was just some made-up propaganda or they would dismiss the possibility that it would actually end up being used against their people.

Who knows. The important point is that Japan did not make any surrender offers until after both A-bombs had already been dropped.

Claims that the US nuked Japan after they surrendered are just as untrue as claims that the US had anything to do with the firestorms at Dresden and Hamburg.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 02:30 pm
@goldberg,
goldberg wrote:
the self-denying Trump reportedly said on Saturday that Joe Biden "doesn't write." ROFL. It's a little infra dig for a president to make a false claim and use it to take a dig at another presidential candidate like this. More to the point, Trump is not even in a good position to hurl epithets at Joe Biden for not being a learned sort, since it's widely reported that Trump doesn't even read; he only tweets, watches Fox News, and leers at his models.

I couldn't tell you if Mr. Biden writes. However, it is pretty terrible the way Mr. Biden tries to violate everyone's civil liberties for his own sadistic pleasure.

The great thing about Mr. Trump is, he protects our civil liberties.
livinglava
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 03:18 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

livinglava wrote:
It is doubtful anyone would have surrendered to the threat of nuclear destruction without it having been done in practice somewhere. If they would have just sent out films of the testing of the weapons, people might have thought it was just some made-up propaganda or they would dismiss the possibility that it would actually end up being used against their people.

Who knows. The important point is that Japan did not make any surrender offers until after both A-bombs had already been dropped.

Claims that the US nuked Japan after they surrendered are just as untrue as claims that the US had anything to do with the firestorms at Dresden and Hamburg.

To you it is the important point because your main, or maybe even your only, objective is to protect the US name against false accusations.

My point is not about attacking or defending any identities, but rather it's about critically reflecting on whether any government/military would realistically surrender to an enemy in the thick of war based on an experimental weapon threat without the weapon actually having been deployed.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 04:15 pm
@oralloy,
why should anyone on this planet care about anything you say when you keep carrying on like some petulant child after youve been shown to be wrong about Dresden..

Quote:

The great thing about Mr. Trump is, he protects our civil liberties
He does this by decreasing the surplus population? His incompentent handling of Covid to date is resulting in an infection rate alrady greater than China's , just by being the douche bag ignoramus hes always been.

He couldnt care about civil rights unless there was some way he could get a mention on FOX about it. He has no principles upon which he is unconditionally attached. Hes not even to admit that "The Buck STops with him" . Hes been busy pointing fingers at Obama, Bush, Clinton, nd even Reagan.

Hes Amoral. Thats the scary part about this slug
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 04:43 pm
@farmerman,
To Ollie

I see that youve now added Hamburg Firebombing (trying to connect the two by time?) They were about 2 yeaars apart and your earlier posts were about Dresden.

We have a lot in Maine where we some years take an RV. The owner of the lot next to us was a 75+ year old full-timer RV resident who, with his wife lived in Maine and Yuma Arizona half of each year.He was a long retired USAAF pilot who actually flew Dresden and was part of the US Firebombing on Valntines Day (I hadda check his notes that he gave me before he died) , 1945. To say that US had no part in it was about as ignorant as you can be. He lived with a lot of guilt because he read up on Dresden as a German "culture and arts center". Wed sit around on a big patio e had built together and we got neatly hammered as he told about his flights and the planes he had to get fixed because they come back all shot up. He wrote several accounts for the memoirs of the US Confederate Airforce.

. The Confederate Air Force was a "club" that used to be memebred by ex WWII pilots and crewmen and service crewmen. They maintained old warbirds and kept the stories alive of US air efforts in WWII. (The good and the bad).

I dont know whether thyre still in existence but my friend passed in 1999 at about 88. He was sharp as a stillet when he died, and the only missions he regreted was Dresden. Hed get all quiet and almost choked up when he talked about it. He knew all the ordnance his rig carried and it was mostly incendiary and napalm with a few explosive .

oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 04:53 pm
@livinglava,
livinglava wrote:
My point is not about attacking or defending any identities, but rather it's about critically reflecting on whether any government/military would realistically surrender to an enemy in the thick of war based on an experimental weapon threat without the weapon actually having been deployed.

There were proposals to use demonstration attacks to warn Japan. However, gradually introducing Japan to the threat of the A-bombs would eliminate the shocking blow to the Japanese psyche that the sudden use of the A-bombs provided.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 04:54 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
why should anyone on this planet care about anything you say

You will use any excuse to dodge and avoid facts.


farmerman wrote:
when you keep carrying on like some petulant child

Your dishonesty is shameful. The only person here who acts like a petulant child is you.


farmerman wrote:
after youve been shown to be wrong about Dresden..

You cannot point out any errors in my statements about Dresden, or in my statements about anything else.


farmerman wrote:
He does this by decreasing the surplus population?

Mr. Trump protects our civil liberties by preventing progressives from violating our civil liberties.


farmerman wrote:
He couldnt care about civil rights unless there was some way he could get a mention on FOX about it. He has no principles upon which he is unconditionally attached.

Whatever his motives for protecting us from progressives, he protects us from progressives, and that's what's important.


farmerman wrote:
Hes Amoral. Thats the scary part about this slug

Mr. Trump's protection of our civil liberties puts him on a higher moral plane than progressives, who want to violate our civil liberties for no reason other than their own sadistic pleasure.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 04:58 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
To say that US had no part in it was about as ignorant as you can be.

The only ignorance here is on the part of people who blame the US for the UK's firestorms.

US bombers did not cause any firestorm in Dresden or anywhere else in Germany.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 06:18 pm
@oralloy,
Ive asked you a simple question, I wssnt responding to anything but your ignorance. SO your only defense is to try to name call ??

Youre in fine lying fettle (as usual).
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 06:38 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Ive asked you a simple question, I wssnt responding to anything but your ignorance.

You are the only person here who is ignorant of the subject being discussed. You cannot provide any examples of untrue statements in any of my posts.


farmerman wrote:
SO your only defense is to try to name call ??

You are the only person who is engaging in name-calling. You cannot provide any examples of name-calling on my part.


farmerman wrote:
Youre in fine lying fettle (as usual).

You are the only person here who is lying. You cannot provide any examples of untrue statements in any of my posts.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 07:07 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
You cannot provide any examples of untrue statements in any of my posts.


Your just a weak little lyin douche bag, whose clock got cleaned by set and others and doesnt know how to back off like an adult.

Ok "Fredo"
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 07:14 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Your just a weak little lyin douche bag,

The only person here who is lying is you. You cannot provide examples of untrue statements in any of my posts.

I am more than strong enough to handle the likes of you and your childish name-calling.


farmerman wrote:
whose clock got cleaned by set and others

As previously noted, you cannot provide examples of untrue statements in any of my posts.


farmerman wrote:
and others and doesnt know how to back off like an adult.

If you ever learn how to act like an adult, you will learn that adulthood does not include backing down when people like you throw temper tantrums.


farmerman wrote:
Ok "Fredo"

Presumably this is more of your childish name-calling. You certainly aren't capable of providing factual or logical arguments.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 07:16 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
Your just a weak little lyin douche bag,

No, you are not a name caller.
Quote:
whose clock got cleaned by set and others

Their clocks are just as clean.
Quote:
like an adult.

Adults do not call people douchebags.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 07:17 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:

US bombers did not cause any firestorm in Dresden or anywhere else in Germany
I see that youve gradually changed your wording from ,"It was an all UK mission" to "US didnt cause any firestorm"

I wonder what the several hundred tons of incendiary ordnance was used on. Now Ill read and see how you add a few lines of attempted salubrious bullshit to gradually try to slide away from your original point of which you had no idea about what you were talking.

As far as your intelligence, Ill give you this, your almost as smart as TRUMP.


farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 07:20 pm
@coldjoint,
OH its pinky. Absolutely nothing worth reading from him. Hes almost as repetitive as Ollie. Ollie doesnt know how to say hes wrong about Dresden. Why dont you show him that youre a man and can take being wrong gracefully. K?
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 07:33 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
I see that youve gradually changed your wording from ,"It was an all UK mission" to "US didnt cause any firestorm"

The firestorms in Germany were caused by the UK.

The US didn't cause any firestorm in Germany.

What about these two statements do you find so confusing?


farmerman wrote:
I wonder what the several hundred tons of incendiary ordnance was used on.

US bombers tried to destroy the railyards at Dresden.


farmerman wrote:
Now Ill read and see how you add a few lines of attempted salubrious bullshit to gradually try to slide away from your original point

You are the only person here who tries to dodge and sidestep facts and points.

I do not engage in such dishonorable behavior.


farmerman wrote:
of which you had no idea about what you were talking.

You are the only person here who speaks from ignorance. You cannot provide examples of untrue statements in any of my posts.


farmerman wrote:
As far as your intelligence, Ill give you this, your almost as smart as TRUMP.

My IQ is 170.

Your IQ is much lower than my IQ.

I don't know what Mr. Trump's IQ is.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 07:34 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
OH its pinky. Absolutely nothing worth reading from him. Hes almost as repetitive as Ollie.

Progressives sure get childish when people post facts.


farmerman wrote:
Ollie doesnt know how to say hes wrong about Dresden.

You cannot provide any examples of untrue statements in my posts about Dresden, or in my posts about anything else.


farmerman wrote:
Why dont you show him that youre a man and can take being wrong gracefully. K?

The only person here who is wrong is you. Everyone already knows that you are incapable of acting gracefully.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 07:35 pm
@oralloy,
I just joined in well after this was nicely decided by set taking you outside .

Gradually changing your story I see. Now we only bombed the railyards. (And the two art museums maybe, wanna list?)
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 07:39 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
I just joined in well after this was nicely decided by set taking you outside .

Setanta also was unable to provide any examples of untrue statements in my posts.


farmerman wrote:
Gradually changing your story I see.

There is no change. I am posting the same facts that I've always posted.


farmerman wrote:
Now we only bombed the railyards. (And the two art museums maybe, wanna list?)

US bombers did not target any art museums.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 5 Apr, 2020 07:46 pm
@oralloy,
I show when you're wrong all the time. You're just incapable of ever admitting that you're wrong. Like most profoundly ignorant people, you are confident, and therefore never capable of reforming or learning. You're pathetic.
 

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