Torn between two jobs, feeling like a fool.....

20 pages, yoiks.

Good luck..!

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dlowan wrote:

Well, did the bloody thing, all 20 pages.

**** of a week, so it is crap....but done.

From one job-hunter to another: You have my sympathy. Congratulations for applying, and, good luck making the kill! I'd also tell you to hold your dominion, but this sentence is copyrighted.

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Assistant Forester in Kunnunurra.

Do I want to live in the kimberly?

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sozobe wrote:

20 pages, yoiks.

Good luck..!

Yoiks indeed.

That's cv, plus there's a list of attributes a mile long you have to address and prove you nmeet.

Crap like this...here's a sample:

PART A: ESSENTIAL MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS (Those characteristics considered absolutely necessary).
_________________________________________________________________

Educational
_________________________________________________________________

An appropriate degree in Social Work or an equivalent qualification approved by the Chief Executive.
_________________________________________________________________

Experience
_________________________________________________________________

· Supervisory social work experience
· Experience counselling parents across the age range
· Experience in parent education and group work
· Previous experience in working with, supporting and training other professionals
· Experience in counselling children and young people
· Experience in working with young people at risk
· Proven experience in teaching and program development at all levels
· Proven experience in program implementation and evaluation
· Proven effective experience in writing for parents and professionals
_________________________________________________________________

Knowledge
_________________________________________________________________

· Expert knowledge of parenting, family relationships and child behaviour and development, and in particular attachment theory and its application to this role
· Expert knowledge of social work principles and models
· Broad understanding of the issues, techniques and principles of using social work services to assist parents and families
· Knowledge of principles of providing equal opportunity and social justice
· Broad knowledge of the philosophy and principles of public health
· Knowledge of OHS&W, equal employment opportunity, and performance management s and principles

_________________________________________________________________
Personal Skills/Abilities
_________________________________________________________________

· Demonstrated ability to be innovative, flexible and adaptive to respond effectively to changing demands, needs and priorities
· Demonstrated ability to work effectively with parents, infants, children and young people
· Proven capacity to work in a multidisciplinary environment, including the ability to establish positive and collaborative working relationships
· High level of written and verbal communication skills across a wide ranging audience
· Ability to advise, consult, liaise and negotiate on matters of significance with clients and with all levels of management
· Demonstrated effective performance indicating a high degree of personal integrity and credibility
· Ability to supervise staff
· Ability to work as an effective team member
· Ability to prioritise work, establish goals, work under pressure to tight deadlines and meet cost and quality criteria
· Strong leadership skills to promote collaborative teamwork and engender the cooperation and confidence of others
· Efficient computer skills

_________________________________________________________________

PART B: DESIRABLE REQUIREMENTS
_________________________________________________________________
Education
_________________________________________________________________

Postgraduate qualifications in Social Work or in a discipline such as counselling, adult education or community development.
_________________________________________________________________
Experience
_________________________________________________________________
· Experience in health promotion
· Experience working with families and children in a health related environment
_________________________________________________________________
Knowledge
_________________________________________________________________
· Knowledge of ...................Service policies and procedures
_________________________________________________________________
Personal Skills/Abilities
_________________________________________________________________
· Creativity
· Well developed public speaking skills
· Possess a sense of humour.

*************************************************************

By the time I got to sense of humour, I just said I got an Honorary Phd in Laughter at the team christmas function.

Honestly, how do you prove you have a sense of humour in a job application!

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dadpad wrote:

Assistant Forester in Kunnunurra.

Do I want to live in the kimberly?

It's very beautiful.............

But possibly not? What about the pad family?

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dlowan wrote:

Honestly, how do you prove you have a sense of humour in a job application!

You better don't -- or else you'll offend the HR people reading it.

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Thomas wrote:

dlowan wrote:
Honestly, how do you prove you have a sense of humour in a job application!

You better don't -- or else you'll offend the HR people reading it.

Lol!!!

Yeah.......it was a line call on whether I went for this one or not....I am really ambivalent, hence the crappy last minute application.........I end up kicking myself when I do that (I did the same thing for the job I am in now) because I think I make an idiot of myself.

I nearly DID let go a couple of times.....

You're right about the dominion thing....you use that phrase, and you won't be able to hold a dominion for a month.

How's your hunt going?

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dlowan wrote:

dadpad wrote:
Assistant Forester in Kunnunurra.

Do I want to live in the kimberly?

It's very beautiful.............
But possibly not? What about the pad family?

But possibly.

When I was a young man
I carried a pack and lived
the free life of a rover
From the murrays green basin to the dusty outback
I waltzed my matilda all over
Then in nineteen 85 my lover said son
It's time to stop rambling 'cause there's work to be done.

(With Apologies to the Pogues)

I can NOT believe the price of real estate In that area! Jaw droppingly expensive for a place thats a 3 hour plane flight from Perth and Half way between Darwin and Broome

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Sorry deb, I dragged your thread around to talking about me self (as per usual). Under the heading of Personal skills/abilities it says 'Possess a sense of humour'

Does rapier sharp, internationaly honed and sarcastic sense of humour work for you?

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dadpad wrote:

dlowan wrote:
dadpad wrote:
Assistant Forester in Kunnunurra.

Do I want to live in the kimberly?

It's very beautiful.............
But possibly not? What about the pad family?

But possibly.

When I was a young man
I carried a pack and lived
the free life of a rover
From the murrays green basin to the dusty outback
I waltzed my matilda all over
Then in nineteen 85 my lover said son
It’s time to stop rambling ’cause there’s work to be done.

(With Apologies to the Pogues)

I can NOT believe the price of real estate In that area! Jaw droppingly expensive for a place thats a 3 hour plane flight from Perth and Half way between Darwin and Broome

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Sorry deb, I dragged your thread around to talking about me self (as per usual). Under the heading of Personal skills/abilities it says 'Possess a sense of humour'

Does rapier sharp, internationaly honed and sarcastic sense of humour work for you?

You bain't hijacking nothing.

And...it works for ME, but would it work for THEM?

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Oh my god that thing is terrifying.

It makes me want to take a nap.

20 pages?!

Good grief.

How can anyone do it any way but slapdashedly?

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sozobe wrote:

It makes me want to take a nap.

Thats funny Laughing

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sozobe wrote:

Oh my god that thing is terrifying.

It makes me want to take a nap.

20 pages?!

Good grief.

How can anyone do it any way but slapdashedly?

Because they are more serious minded and hardworking people than I.

I just use a mantra:

You know, like Bart at the beginning of every episode:

"I must not say social work theory is a heap of useless **** when it comes to therapy, and probably generally"

"I must write SOMETHING in every gap"

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dadpad wrote:

sozobe wrote:

It makes me want to take a nap.

Thats funny

Nap? I slept 11 hours straight one night I had put aside for writing it.

Mind you, I was tired.

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Just discovered this thread, Deb.
You're applying for another job? (Trying to figure this out from a quick read of the last couple of pages.) To save you going over the same ground again, a simple yes or no to my question is perfectly OK! :wink:

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msolga wrote:

Just discovered this thread, Deb.
You're applying for another job? (Trying to figure this out from a quick read of the last couple of pages.) To save you going over the same ground again, a simple yes or no to my question is perfectly OK! :wink:

Another job from the one I got two years ago?

Yes.

Another job from the one I started talking about a couple of pages ago?

No.

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We are seeking a suitably qualified (Natural Resource Manager, Agriculture, or Forestry) Forester who can join the team in Kununurra working on the sandalwood plantation. Some experience working in Farm or Forest management would be necessary.
Duties and responsibilities include:
To assist in the development of plantation management plans;
To develop and manage plantations within the specifications outlined in management plans ensuring compliance with relevant codes, prescriptions and legislation, and within budgetary constraints and appropriate time frames.
To supervise and train plantation contractors and company personnel in company operations and IMS.

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Ah, I see.

And this led to the 20 page application?

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msolga wrote:

Ah, I see.

And this led to the 20 page application?

That's short in my field, at this level.

Cursory.

Slapdash.

dadpad wrote:

We are seeking a suitably qualified (Natural Resource Manager, Agriculture, or Forestry) Forester who can join the team in Kununurra working on the sandalwood plantation. Some experience working in Farm or Forest management would be necessary.
Duties and responsibilities include:
• To assist in the development of plantation management plans;
• To develop and manage plantations within the specifications outlined in management plans ensuring compliance with relevant codes, prescriptions and legislation, and within budgetary constraints and appropriate time frames.
• To supervise and train plantation contractors and company personnel in company operations and IMS.

That's IT?

Mine could be just as brief, there has just been this thing where they break the damn things into micro tasks, and you have to demonstrate how you meet every single one.

It's insane.

To be fair, when you are selecting, you really just read the essentials list, and chuck anyone who hasn't got 'em all.........unless you don't get any who meet 'em all.......(when you either re advertise, or see if there's anyone pretty close, who might be good anyway)...then you get a bit of an idea where people are in the more esoteric ones.......but interview all who meet the essentials, unless there's a million.

You then select based on interview + whatever people have over and above essentials.

And attempt to get a good idea about them from referees.

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Sounds an incredibly laborious & tedious process. I guess you wouldn't be applying for jobs all that often, if this is what they expect? How much does word of mouth, from the professional grapevine in your field, count?

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dlowan wrote:

How's your hunt going?

Missed out on a pretty good job. Searching employer websites for new prey to stalk. I'll get there eventually.

Practical question: is your cover letter really supposed to address job offer lyrics like: "dynamic initiative-taker, innovative thinker, excellent commuication skills required ..." (a tough requirement because in real life, I usually communicate by drumming my fists on my chests while howling.) Until now, I discretely ignored language like this as content-free semantic noise. Was that a mistake? Would it have been a mistake for you to ignore most of the noise on your 20 pages?

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