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Torn between two jobs, feeling like a fool.....

 
 
dlowan
 
Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 06:47 am
Ok - I went for another job a few months ago.

Somewhat surprisingly, I thought, I didn't get an interview - and, though I would normally have checked for feedback in such a situation, I then became busily engaged in falling off and over things and really hurting myself and then spending weeks and many antibiotics being very ill and fighting an infection from a spider bite. So - I forgot about the job.


Then - they ring me and offer an interview. (They had various hitches and such at their end that put off the interview process.) I was kind of bamboozled - cos I really had disconnected from the whole thing, but I went along and did the interview in a sort of daze....


So - I had to fill out a medical form thingy, and this apparently half-witted nurse from the other place rings me to say they need a letter from my doctor clearing me about a couple of things....(routine she says.)

I checked my referees, and the new folk hadn't gone to them, so I basically figured I didn't have the job, and didn't bother me doctor, and forgot about the new job AGAIN.

A couple of weeks later, half-witted nurse rings again, and says they don't have the letter. Well, I don't have the job, say I, so I won't bother with the letter. Er, says she, that isn't what I heard.

So - I fax doctor job specification and ask for letter to be faxed through urgently.

Weird nurse rang again yesterday - nearly a week and a half later - I don't think we have the letter, she says. You don't THINK you have it, or you DON'T have it, ask I? I don't think we have it in a way that means "we don't have it" she responds.

I ring my doctor - get receptionist - doctor is too busy with medical emergencies for your pissy little letter, says rude receptionist, or at least, she doesn't SAY that, but this is what she implies - (why are medical receptionists nearly always rude? I think it is the "secondary power and hence primary power without responsibility" thing, myself. One day I swear I am going to kick one. I mean some of them are fantastic - but many of them - oy veh!)

I figure no letter unless I pay for a visit and get the doctor to write it in front of me, is the message from all of this. Hey - I can get the bite site checked out while I am there.

But - I ring the boss from new place, outline the hold-up, and ask the fateful question - is it worth me going through going to doctor and all? YES, says she - do you want the job?

Damn fine question. DO I?




I honestly no longer know.


New job benefits:


1. Close to home - I can walk a good part of the way there - and maybe bus the last bit - hey presto, I get exercise, save more than $50 a week on petrol.

2. IN THE CITY! Where friends work - where things happen.

3. Work with under twelves - if I never see another adolescent again (though part of me does enjoy working with them) it will be too soon.

4. Specialising, instead of having to deal with any goddamn problem that comes in.


Neutrals or unknowns.


1. Same rank and pay.

2. New team: unknown factor.

3. Management - where I am currently, upper management is so bad it is dangerous - incompetent, bullying, no direction, no vision - AAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHH. Affecting whole organisation and who knows how bad things will be in a couple of years?

New place? Unknown - seems ok, but who knows?

Advantages of where I am.

1. FANTASTIC team. Hilarious, supportive, wonderful. They are my FRIENDS!

2. Professional development: On cutting edge of working with very exciting new therapeutic methods that are proving to be of enormous benefit - extraordinarily exciting, becoming known nationally and - slowly - internationally. If I stay and consolidate my work, I will be able to teach other people how to work in this way, as well as becoming very competent in it myself. Can I bear to leave in the middle?



Waaaah - anyone got clever things to say/ask about resolving the dumb dilemma I have myself in?

(I am meeting with possible new boss early next week to talk more.)
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the prince
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 06:55 am
I went through this sometime ago as you know, however, my move was made easy by more money and bigger position.

But I think you should go for it - it would be great to get a different perspective, work with new people etc etc
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 06:57 am
Do you feel in any danger of burnout where you are?
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 06:58 am
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Management - where I am currently, upper management is so bad it is dangerous - incompetent, bullying, no direction, no vision - AAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHH. Affecting whole organisation and who knows how bad things will be in a couple of years?


That fact alone should be sending you running out to find new employment. Have you gotten a sense of the way that the new place is run?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 07:03 am
Noddy24 wrote:
Do you feel in any danger of burnout where you are?


Burnout? I burnt out years ago - I just want to sit in a nice retirement home and watch other people go to work. I am a cindered husk emulating a human! I have no immune system!!!

The new work is likely to be as demanding.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 07:10 am
Phoenix32890 wrote:
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Management - where I am currently, upper management is so bad it is dangerous - incompetent, bullying, no direction, no vision - AAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHH. Affecting whole organisation and who knows how bad things will be in a couple of years?


That fact alone should be sending you running out to find new employment. Have you gotten a sense of the way that the new place is run?


No real idea of possible new place's upper management - though my sister organisation, which is run via the same overarching management as the new place is, is hierarchical, authoritarian, over-managed, medical model and less innovative, egalitarian and good to work for than the mob I currently do - despite the appalling upper management.

Also - my team kind of gets on with it, and is in a relatively powerful position, currently, re the bad upper management - because, to be brutally frank, the work we are doing is adding much needed length to said appalling manager's limp and ineffective mini-him. (I so do not usually talk that way - but this thing deserves it.)
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 07:12 am
the prince wrote:
I went through this sometime ago as you know, however, my move was made easy by more money and bigger position.

But I think you should go for it - it would be great to get a different perspective, work with new people etc etc


Yeah - one of my thoughts.

But - the people I work with now are the bestest. I mean, there can always be a new bestest, I know!

It is the location which is the big attraction.
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JPB
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 07:16 am
If it takes them many months to hire a new person, I'd be concerned about staffing issues at the new place. How overworked are the employees while they dicker around for months trying to hire someone?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 07:17 am
Can you go to the new place, look around, shadow for a bit perhaps, get a feel for things? It will be only a taste and who knows maybe they'll playact for your benefit, but there are a lot of things you can figure out.

Hmmm, I suppose confidentiality would be an issue in this line of work. Still think it's worth it to pop over at lunch time, or something. The part that worries me most from what you've said is that this has all kind of happened willy-nilly and that you feel that you may have missed cues that you would've gotten otherwise -- seems like there must be an intermediate step between your current lack of info and just up and taking the job.

I'm a little worried about the doctor thing, too -- just exactly precisely that happened in one of my jobs, I applied and they told me to get a drug test and I was like why and it developed that I had the job and so uh when do I start oh on Monday and I was actually working for like 3 days before I signed anything or had anything formalized. Was indicative of rather glaring management problems.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 07:18 am
Under-twelves sounds much more appealing, burnout-wise -- so much more hope, so much less attitude.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 07:24 am
Hmmm - this lot have sexualised behaviours.....
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the prince
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 07:24 am
Yeah location is a big plus point. I hate commuting !! Unfortunately where I live, the only job I will get will that be of a lawn mower within walking distance, and I dont like grass stains on my suits..

If you take up this new job, you would be a LUCKY woman - walk to work !! WOW !!!
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 07:28 am
sozobe wrote:
Can you go to the new place, look around, shadow for a bit perhaps, get a feel for things? It will be only a taste and who knows maybe they'll playact for your benefit, but there are a lot of things you can figure out.

Hmmm, I suppose confidentiality would be an issue in this line of work. Still think it's worth it to pop over at lunch time, or something. The part that worries me most from what you've said is that this has all kind of happened willy-nilly and that you feel that you may have missed cues that you would've gotten otherwise -- seems like there must be an intermediate step between your current lack of info and just up and taking the job.

I'm a little worried about the doctor thing, too -- just exactly precisely that happened in one of my jobs, I applied and they told me to get a drug test and I was like why and it developed that I had the job and so uh when do I start oh on Monday and I was actually working for like 3 days before I signed anything or had anything formalized. Was indicative of rather glaring management problems.


I am popping in on Tuesday evening for a chat.

It is an hour from where I work now, so lunch-time pop ins are out of the question.

The med stuff is actually my fault - from assuming I didn't have the job - they will be very formal and correct when it comes to offers and such.

I don't think I missed cues - there was just delay, and I was then distracted by a whole lot of big things - like being deathly ill. They apologised profusely for the delays - were very nice, and explained it all.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 07:34 am
Being deathly ill can be a mite distracting.

Popping in Tuesday evening sounds poifect.

Oh and most importantly, CONGRATULATIONS on getting the job!! Even if you don't take it, it's an accomplishment.
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the prince
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 07:37 am
You were deathly ill ?? Shocked
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Chai
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 07:49 am
As I was reading from the beginning - I was already thinking about what sozobe said before I got to it.

I'd try for something more formal than a pop-in.
As them if they can accomodate you by arranging for you to meet with some of your potential peer.
Actually-a pop-in might put them off - If someone showed up in my office out of the blue - I'd have nothing to hide, but what if I was in the middle of some really important thing?

If you see the "new gang" are happy with the management, it sounds like a good deal to me. Plus it's like getting a $50 a week raise.

One last thing - You might want to consider working this situation to you advantage at your current place of employment - If they know others want you....want would they do to keep you?
Higher postion?
More money?
hmmmm.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 07:54 am
the prince wrote:
You were deathly ill ?? Shocked


Lol - slight exaggeration, but I was very ill indeed.

Infected spider bite - led to cellulitis, which was beginning to look mighty damn antibiotic resistant.

Antibiotic course number 6, which was a nasty one, seems (crossed fingers) to have zapped it. If not, next stop hospital and drips - kindalike Husker.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 07:57 am
crossed fingers, toes, etc.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 07:58 am
Chai Tea wrote:
As I was reading from the beginning - I was already thinking about what sozobe said before I got to it.

I'd try for something more formal than a pop-in.
As them if they can accomodate you by arranging for you to meet with some of your potential peer.
Actually-a pop-in might put them off - If someone showed up in my office out of the blue - I'd have nothing to hide, but what if I was in the middle of some really important thing?

If you see the "new gang" are happy with the management, it sounds like a good deal to me. Plus it's like getting a $50 a week raise.

One last thing - You might want to consider working this situation to you advantage at your current place of employment - If they know others want you....want would they do to keep you?
Higher postion?
More money?
hmmmm.


Oh heavens no! One so does not do a pop-in! Some idiotic wannabe psychologists did it (separately) where I work now ages ago - and were not considered for the position cos they were so dumb and inappropriate.


Sadly, I can't be offered inducements to stay - my salary etc is fixed by powers greater than any of us!

Sadly, unlikely to get the real goss on management - one has to have "sources" for that. I generally do, but not ones for this place. Or, rather, the ones I have are way out of date.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2005 08:00 am
sozobe wrote:
Being deathly ill can be a mite distracting.

Popping in Tuesday evening sounds poifect.

Oh and most importantly, CONGRATULATIONS on getting the job!! Even if you don't take it, it's an accomplishment.


Thanks, Soz. It IS nice.

In a weird "Oh bejesus now whadda I do!!!" way.
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