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@roger,

It was not aimed at you.

(not that I know what it might be unless it turns out it not be. That is the question. Whether tis nobler to attend the opera on Saturday or in August...)

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@izzythepush,

I suspect, and hope, he has been banned for calling another member the n-word.

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@cherrie,

I read the post where Real Music asked the mods not to remove JGoldman’s posts so they could see exactly what he’d written.

I couldn’t find Goldman actually using the n word so it probably was deleted.

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People disagree with me all the time ... at least I think they do....... oh, I get it.

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@maxdancona,

First time for everything.

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@roger,

roger wrote:

No I don't. Now, tell me that wasn't aimed at me.

What did I say? I'm confused. Are you saying I insulted you?

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@glitterbag,

From memory, I was giving you a perfect example of what you were talking about. Maybe I should read up, but that's how I remember my thought at the time.

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@roger,

Roger I can't figure out what it was that I said that you reacted to. I know I asked Glennn a question and I think I remarked about Goldman sense of persecution, but that's the only two things I can come up with right now.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

I think he confuses persecution with disagreement.

Izzy said that, and you replied that a lot of people do.

I decided to confuse every thing.

I'm wondering if I shouldn't take a little vacation.

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@roger,

I am izzythepush.
I didn’t reply to myself.

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@izzythepush,

Yes, the comment was deleted and the thread locked.

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@cherrie,

Thanks for telling me.

I don’t know what’s wrong with Mr Goldman, he might just as well called his thread, ‘How can I be more racist?’

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@izzythepush,

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I don’t know what’s wrong with Mr Goldman, he might just as well called his thread, ‘How can I be more racist?’

He claims to be of mixed race also how strange can you get but then of course some Jews supported Hitler.

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@BillRM,

I think you’re just muddying the waters. Mr Goldman thinks his religion makes him morally superior, that if one prays enough one creates a protective inclement around himself.

He believes that is the reason he never gets stopped by police, but it’s more likely to be that he can pass for white.

He has victim blamed constantly, implying that George Floyd was somehow partially responsible for his own death.

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@izzythepush,

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I read the post where Real Music asked the mods not to remove JGoldman’s posts so they could see exactly what he’d written.

I had asked the moderators not to delete JGoldman10 posting of him calling me the "N" word,
so that the rest of the A2k members had the opportunity to see it with their own eyes what he had said.
https://able2know.org/topic/552077-23#post-7059537

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I couldn’t find Goldman actually using the n word so it probably was deleted.

Yes, JGoldman10 actually did call me the "N" word on https://able2know.org/topic/552077-23#post-7059537
Yes, that specific posting has already been deleted by the moderators and can no longer be found.

The following was the exact request that I made to the moderators:

1. Please don't delete these postings made by JGoldman10.

2. It is very important to ensure that his postings remain visible for all to see.

3. It's important that everyone sees JGoldman10 for who he really is and what he is all about.

4. Especially ensure his posting referring to me as the "N" word remains visible for all to see,

5. Please don't delete any of JGoldman10 racist postings.

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@cherrie,

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I suspect, and hope, he has been banned for calling another member the n-word.

1. I don't know for sure, but he probably has been suspended.

2. The reason I think JGoldman10 was probably suspended is because I haven't seen any new postings of his since that day.

3. I actually don't want him to be banned.

4. I am fine with him being allowed to return.

5. I feel that temporarily suspended him for a short period of time is sufficient.

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@Real Music,

I’m so sorry that you’ve had to deal with that. It’s not on.

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The Swedish special route has caused a sensation worldwide. Supporters see the current infection figures as confirmation that it was the right one.

For a long time, the number of Covid-19 cases recorded in Sweden was several times higher than in neighbouring Denmark, Finland and Norway, but since mid-August the figures have been converging. The Danes are currently experiencing a second wave with a steeply rising curve. Germany has been at about the same level of infection as Sweden in recent days.

However, a serious flaw still remains in Scandinavia's largest nation. During the months of comparatively great freedom, Sweden experienced a brutal wave of Covid-19 deaths, with the virus raging almost uncontrollably in many nursing homes. Overall, the Swedish corona mortality rate is about ten times higher than in Norway and Finland and about five times higher than in Denmark and Germany.

State epidemiologist Tegnell has long acknowledged that serious mistakes have been made in the care of the elderly. However, he does not see this as a major concession, as his authority has no direct responsibility for what happened in the homes. Tegnell considers it unlikely that a lockdown in Sweden would have led to fewer deaths, he has said on several occasions.

But the gloomy statistics are obviously gnawing at him. Again and again, he is confronted with figures that call into question his entire epidemiological approach. Now he has found a new, exonerating explanation for the high number of victims. But is it convincing?

Citing a new scientific report, Tegnell now said that last year's mild flu season was largely responsible for the many corona deaths. In Sweden, the usual wave of the disease has recently been significantly weaker than in neighbouring countries, he said in an interview with "Dagens Nyheter", the largest Swedish newspaper: "There is a strong correlation between low excess mortality from influenza and high excess mortality from Covid-19".

This relationship also explains, at least in part, the high death rates in the UK and Belgium, the epidemiologist said. In both countries, relatively few people have also died from influenza recently.

With the scientist's cold look at the risk groups, the elderly and the previously ill, Tegnell may have hit a relevant point. His argument, formulated somewhat harshly, goes like this: If the flu just spared you, the coronavirus will kill you.

However, according to a search of the online news portal "The Local Sweden" [*], the study on which the Swedish state epidemiologist is basing himself has no scientific conclusiveness yet, as it has not yet been subjected to a "peer review", the examination by other experts. At the point in the paper where the connection between flu and corona is discussed, three Twitter accounts run by bloggers are cited as sources: @EffectsFacts, @FatEmperor and @HaraldofW. This doesn't seem very trustworthy, but the information may be correct.

Bleibt die Frage, ob durch die Grippe mehr Menschen in den Nachbarländern gestorben sind als in Schweden.

Nach der Lektüre von Tegnells Interview haben sich dessen Kollegen aus Norwegen und Finnland in "Dagens Nyheter" geäußert, beide sind nicht überzeugt. Frode Forland, norwegischer Direktor für Infektionskontrolle, sagt: "Soweit wir dies überblicken, ist es nicht die Grippe, die hinter dem großen Unterschied zwischen Schweden und Norwegen steckt." Es sei "einfach, das zu glauben", tauge aber nicht als Erklärung.

Die jüngste Grippewelle sei zwar tatsächlich in seinem Land stärker ausgefallen als bei den schwedischen Nachbarn, so Forland. "Doch wir können nicht erkennen, dass wir in den vergangenen Jahren besonders hohe Todesraten im Zusammenhang mit Influenza in Norwegen hatten." Leichte Opfer für das neue Virus hätte es dort also noch in größerer Zahl geben müssen, falls Tegnell recht hätte. Aber es gab sie nicht.

Mika Salminen, director of the Finnish Institute of Health and Social Affairs, believes that a link between flu and corona mortality is at least possible. "Partly" this may also explain the Swedish development. "But I don't think that the difference between Finland and Sweden is based on this."

Salminen is convinced that the decisive cause is the Finnish lockdown: "It had a greater effect than we could have dreamed of. His only hope was to slow down the spread of the virus. "In fact, the epidemic was almost completely halted.

There were almost no new cases in Finland during the summer, but now the numbers are rising. The authorities in the country are concerned and are responding to local clusters, for example with temporary school closures. However, the infection rate in Finland remains low by European standards - and a third lower than in Sweden.
Translated from a SPIEGEL-report)

* The Local (Sweden): Can a mild flu season really explain Sweden's high coronavirus mortality?

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@Real Music,

I don’t know if suspension will be any good. He has been barred from numerous forums but puts it all down to being persecuted for his Christian beliefs, and I doubt this will be any different.

He believes he is ‘saved,’ therefore he does not have to develop as a person, he’s already there and those who criticise him must be wrong because they’re not saved.

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'Landmark moment': 156 countries agree to Covid vaccine allocation deal

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Covax plan will counter rising threat of ‘vaccine nationalism’, prioritising vulnerable healthcare systems and frontline workers

A coalition of 156 countries has agreed a “landmark” deal to enable the rapid and equitable global distribution of any new coronavirus vaccines to 3% of participating countries’ populations, to protect vulnerable healthcare systems, frontline health workers and those in social care settings.

The Covid-19 vaccine allocation plan – co-led by the World Health Organization and known as Covax – has been set up to ensure that the research, purchase and distribution of any new vaccine is shared equally between the world’s richest countries and those in the developing world.

Sixty-four higher income economies have already joined Covax, which includes commitments from 35 economies as well as the European commission, which will procure doses on behalf of the 27 EU member states plus Norway and Iceland, with 38 more expected to join in the coming days.

Ultimately the scheme aims to deliver 2bn doses of safe, effective vaccines around the world by the end of 2021.

Governments, vaccine manufacturers, organisations and individuals have committed $1.4bn (£1.1bn) towards vaccine research and development so far.
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According to a document detailing the arrangement, under the scheme “all countries should gradually receive tranches [of vaccine] to cover each subset of their [initial] target groups … until they can cover 3% of the population”.

The document continues: “At this point of the pandemic, a reasonable scenario would be that, while the supply of Covid-19 vaccines remains very scarce, countries should focus initially on reducing mortality and protecting the health system.

“This … would enable, for example, the vaccination of frontline workers in health and social care settings in most countries … Additional tranches will follow gradually as more supply becomes available.”

While decisions on the distribution of vaccines initially supplied under the scheme will remain at individual nations’ discretion, it said it was encouraging “countries to consider these recommendations and to be transparent about their decision-making processes and ultimate use of the vaccine”.

Set up to counter the increasing threat of so-called “vaccine nationalism” in the midst of the ongoing pandemic, Covax is being led by the WHO, Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance, and the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness and Innovations (Cepi) to ensure the “equitable access and allocation of Covid-19 health products”, not least vaccines.
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