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@Glennn,

re you a trained pharma scientist because I think you and your other clown friend arent bright enough to know what you dont know. That critical.

Ive seen the results in cardio monitoring on HCQ and am not educated enough in its parma to understand what its cause for lack of efficacy and potential toxicity. You seem to be doing all the preaching by some Aristotelian Peripatetic trade school.
Your on yer own. Im pleading pharmacological ignorance other than to accept HCQ' s toxicity because the chemistry acts like several other similar phenolic chained drugs (HCQ has sveral benzene rings "inherited" from its QUININE base).
o if you know snything counter, please forward it and if youd be so kind as to hare some of the SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE

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@farmerman,

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please forward it and if youd be so kind as to hare some of the SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE

But that's he thing! You can't trust SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE anymore.

And you are right, I am not trained at it. But others are.
And there are a LOT, and I mean a LOT who are trained and say there is no covid-19.

And not only that, a virus isn't even contagious.

And for you being trained , well it does have its disadvantage of course!:

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“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
-Upton Sinclair.

And as an 'expert' you have to toe the party line.
Not being an expert makes one think more clearly.

I think in your case this applies.

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@farmerman,

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"purifying" bullshit

oh, really??

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@farmerman,

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DO MORE READING WILL YA?? YOURE MAKING ME ILL WITH YOUR ARROGANT IGNORANCE

Nope, you are making yourself ill. I really can't do that. Wink

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something wrong in that?? IM actually NOT a geneticist I use it in my job tracing DNA in mineral waters and fossil fuel deposits to identify pools and basins. IM a geochemist with a xhemitry background.

yes, you are indoctrinated. One day you have to admit that.
I was also indoctrinated. One day we all have to unlearn the bullshit we learned.
I see a problem there for you.

please read up on where the negative association with 'conspiracies" comes from, ok? As long as you don't do that, you would not understand.

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@farmerman,

So, your answer is that you agree with Fauci--that Hydroxychloroquine is dangerous because of cardiac concerns. That brings us to the next question in that open letter to Fauci.
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Again, for clarity, the trials upon which you base your opinion regarding the efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine, assessed neither the full cocktail (to include Zinc and Azithromycin or doxycycline) nor administered treatment within the first five to seven days of symptoms, nor focused on the high-risk group, correct?
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So, what about it? Do you even understand why zinc and azithromycin are part of the protocol? Or, didn't you even know that they are?

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I also wrote there is a much deeper reason why there is no covid-19.
Which makes it very simple to understand why there is no covid-19.
You don't even need 'scientific papers" for that.

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@Palandre,

what did you l3rn that you "unlearned" and why. Most grad students Ive had are industrial or mining professionals and the great majority of them, save maybe to or three , have "renivented" any science. Whn you dont unerstand what youre talking about (As I think I said before, Its better you just hut up or someone less avuncular than I will shove facts up your ass > Since most sciences are BUILT , one stone upon another, on work previously done (no matter whether that work is wrong or right) . Wht basa realms of biology dont you feel are correct??

KINDA HARD finding the places to go off the rails when you have to honor connectivities to previous work. Please dont try to compare your knowledge and understanding to mine. You arent even a rookie. Youve made so many dumass remarks that I can understand why youve "unlearned" everything (ITS because its probably quite easy when you never understood it in the first place).

Ill give you one more shot and then I think we should just part. I find you boring, uneducated, a liar and a fraud who wishes to represent himslf as part of a great mass of "alternative opinions based on alternative facts" (which , of coure, are not facts at allI ggav you guy a shot up your ass about Isolation and "purification " of covid 19 virus. I later found where you get those terms. Apparently all you do is read conspiracy and Q anon Bullshit (have I got your number??)

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@Palandre,

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But that's he thing! You can't trust SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE anymore

examples

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@Glennn,

appears that (although the main %ages of those actually helped by the "cocktail "is related to non critical cases, the results of ading Zn Tartrate or Sulfate may actually help along with the "mycins"
It appears that, from what Ive seen in the Hopkins reports, ZINC appears to do the heavy lifting and outcomes were as encouraging when cases were treated early. We do know that zinc lozengges and /or liquid drenches can ubstantially reduce the seof rhinovirus (which is another coronal subtype)
InterestingIm going to follow, the Zn. If theres something to this, objective science will determine, not politics. Chloroquines still have questionable effect in the disease. It appars that , targeting and timing have exposed some successes in reducing fever term and the biochem of Zn, needs to be better understood, although it appears their may be significant benefit. 12% remdesiver, 25% using harvested antibodies. Im ure th HCQ tudies, now with zinc compounds may prove something as a symptom palliative. Idbe glad to be wrong if all this stuff works.

Thats how research works, something is a fact until something better comes along. SCience is self correcting. Ive read some of the stuff by Dr J Robb who apprently was the first one inclined to add Zn to remdesever as well as HCQ, (in US he will need support if HCQ is proposed to be used in the mix. He is from US (I think he.s associated with Stanford Medical)

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@farmerman,

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It appars that , targeting and timing have exposed some successes

Yes, that's what the doctors said in that open letter:
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While the University of Minnesota study is referred to as disproving the cocktail, the meds were not given within the first five to seven days of illness, the test group was not high risk (death rates were 3 percent), and no zinc was given, correct?

Again, for clarity, the trials upon which you base your opinion regarding the efficacy of Hydroxychloroquine, assessed neither the full cocktail (to include Zinc and Azithromycin or doxycycline) nor administered treatment within the first five to seven days of symptoms, nor focused on the high-risk group, correct?
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What is Fauci's rationale for not allowing the hydroxychloroquine cocktail to be used on patients early on?

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@Glennn,

fauci is a scientist , not a fool. No scientist will stay wedded to earlier evidence if something new shows up. I have no idea what Fauci said about this but when we keep futzing with different cocktails, maybe new outcomes arise. Do you think that any scientist just blindly sticks to a hypothesis .
Now, having said that, all this palliative care and symptom easing, needs to be researched even further to assure its effective AND safe. None of it "CURES" the disease,it reduces its risks and seriousness.
AS I said before Id be glad to be proven wrong about previous reserch that Ive leaned on in my opinions. Im not a physician but Im very interested in finding some successful treatmenst that would effectively and safely reduce risks for serious illness or death.

PS, I assume you are not of that opinion that covid 19 does not exist?

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@farmerman,

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fauci is a scientist , not a fool.

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!! Really??????
He is just a psychopathic lyer!

Go look into his history!

Oh, and he is connected to the other psychopath, Kill Gates!!!

Hmmmmm, don't you really see the whole thing is corrupted??

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@farmerman,

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Thats how research works, something is a fact until something better comes along. SCience is self correcting.

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattt?
It seems you have NEVER researched any history of the religion of ahum 'science'. That is not the way science really works. You are relly a blind believer and follower of the religion of science. That is for sure. Amen.

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And still nobody has explained why they changed from deaths to cases!

Oh! And isn't it strange that the flu nearly dissapeared when the covid-19 cases went up?

Hmmmmm, I smell a rat.

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@Palandre,

well, take a shower, you offend others.

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@Palandre,

small teeny minds like yours arent able to assess others accomplishments.

Someone like you insulting Dr Fauci is baseless innuendo. Im sorry but youre an idiot , funny, but still an idiot.

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@farmerman,

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small teeny minds like yours arent able to assess others accomplishments.

Someone like you insulting Dr Fauci is baseless innuendo. Im sorry but youre an idiot , funny, but still an idiot.

Maybe you should do some research, he is , indeed, a psychopath.
Why can't you handle this?

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And still nobody has explained why they changed from deaths to cases!

Oh! And isn't it strange that the flu nearly dissapeared when the covid-19 cases went up?

Hmmmmm, I smell a rat.

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I partly disagree with this (because there is NO covid-19).

But still a good piece. ONLY for people with an open mind.
( Therefore some 'scientists' here are of course excluded, you know who I mean.)

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“We Have A Lot of Evidence That It’s A Fake Story All Over The World” – German Doctors on COVID-19

Is this article ‘fake news?’ No, because the statement in the title that reads “we have a lot of evidence that it’s a fake story all over the world” is an actual quote from a representative of the group discussed in the article. The statement was said. Whether or not what the quote says is true, on the other hand, is up for you to decide or according to multiple governments, is up for the World Health Organization (WHO) to decide. Is the title misleading or inaccurate? No, again, it’s a direct quote and represents the opinion of multiple health professionals. Are these health professionals implying that COVID-19 is a fake virus? No, they are simply implying that it’s not as dangerous as it’s being made out to be., and I summarize some of that information below that has them coming to that conclusion.

IN BRIEF
The Facts:More than 500 German doctors & scientists have signed on as representatives of an organization called the "Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee" to investigate what's happening on our planet with regards to COVID-19.
Reflect On:Why are so many professionals and experts in the field being censored, ridiculed and shut down by organizations like the WHO? Should we not have the right to examine information openly, freely, and transparently?
Is this article ‘fake news?’ No, because the statement in the title that reads “we have a lot of evidence that it’s a fake story all over the world” is an actual quote from a representative of the group discussed in the article. The statement was said. Whether or not what the quote says is true, on the other hand, is up for you to decide or according to multiple governments, is up for the World Health Organization (WHO) to decide. Is the title misleading or inaccurate? No, again, it’s a direct quote and represents the opinion of multiple health professionals. Are these health professionals implying that COVID-19 is a fake virus? No, they are simply implying that it’s not as dangerous as it’s being made out to be., and I summarize some of that information below that has them coming to that conclusion.

These doctors and scientists are being heavily censored across all social media platforms, and those who write about them are experiencing the same. Many of the claims these doctors make have been ‘debunked’ by mainstream media, federal health regulatory agencies and ‘fact-checkers’ that are patrolling the internet. Any information that does not come from the (WHO) is not considered reliable, truthful or accurate, and that would include the information presented in this article and information shared by these experts in the field. People are being encouraged to visit the WHO’s website for real and accurate information about COVID-19 instead of listening to doctors and scientists who oppose the narrative of these health authorities.

What Happened: More than 500 German doctors & scientists have signed on as representatives of an organization called “Außerparlamentarischer Corona Untersuchungsausschuss.” Außerparlamentarischer Corona Untersuchungsausschuss stands for the “Corona Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee and was established to investigate all things that pertain to the new coronavirus such as the severity of the virus, and whether or not the actions taken by governments around the world, and in this case the German government, are justified and not causing more harm than good.

As the Corona-Extra-Parliamentary Inquiry Committee, we will investigate why these restrictive measures were imposed upon us in our country as part of COVID-19, why people are suffering now and whether there is proportionality of the measures to this disease caused by the SARS-COV-2 virus. We have serious doubts that these measures are proportionate. This needs to be examined, and since the parliaments – neither the opposition parties nor the ruling parties – have not convened a committee and it is not even planned, it is high time that we took this into our own hands. We will invite and hear experts here in the Corona speaker group. These are experts from all areas of life: Medicine, social affairs, law, economics and many more.

This group has been giving multiple conferences in Germany, in one of the most recent, Dr. Heiko Schöning, one of the organizations leaders, stated that “We have a lot of evidence that it (the new coronavirus) is a fake story all over the world.” To put it in context, he wasn’t referring to the virus being fake, but simply that it’s no more dangerous than the seasonal flu (or just as dangerous) and that there is no justification for the measures being taken to combat it.

https://www.collective-evolution.com/2020/08/17/we-have-a-lot-of-evidence-that-its-a-fake-story-all-over-the-world-german-doctors-on-covid-19/

of course it is ONLY the flu. People with flu like symptoms were diagnosed having the non-existent covid-19 virus.
Hence when the FLU figures dropped the covid-19 figures went up.
They are the one and same! There is NO covid-19!

Now, please, all please back to normal! And, please, please, please, put those , very dangerous for your health, face diapers off!!!

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