Coronavirus

An analysis of federal data conducted by a team headed by the Yale School of Public Health found that the U.S. recorded 15,400 excess deaths between March 1 through April 4, almost twice the number attributed to the coronavirus. In that time period, 8,128 coronavirus fatalities were reported.

Excess deaths measure the difference between the number of deaths expected to occur without the pandemic and the number of actual deaths recorded by the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS). The center released data for the five weeks on Friday.

The excess deaths do not automatically mean the fatalities were a result of the coronavirus, although some could have died because of the pandemic if they were hesitant to go to the hospital, the Post reported.

New York City, which has been hit hard by the virus, recorded 6,300 excess deaths in the five-week period, while the city publicly reported 2,543 coronavirus deaths. Its neighbor New Jersey found there to be at least 2,100 excess deaths, while reporting 846 COVID-19 deaths.

Total deaths in seven states that have been hard hit by the coronavirus pandemic are nearly 50 percent higher than normal for the five weeks from March 8 through April 11, according to new death statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That is 9,000 more deaths than were reported as of April 11 in official counts of deaths from the coronavirus.

The new data is partial and most likely undercounts the recent death toll significantly. But it still illustrates how the coronavirus is causing a surge in deaths in the places it has struck, probably killing more people than the reported statistics capture. These increases belie arguments that the virus is only killing people who would have died anyway from other causes. Instead, the virus has brought a pattern of deaths unlike anything seen in recent years.
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It’s difficult to know whether the differences between excess deaths and the official counts of coronavirus deaths reflect an undercounting of coronavirus deaths or a surge in deaths from other causes. It’s probably a mix of both.

There is evidence, in New York and other places, that the official coronavirus counts are probably too low. Tests for the illness can be hard to get, and not all who die now are being tested, particularly if they die outside a hospital. New York City recently revised its own statistics for the number of coronavirus-related fatalities, saying thousands of additional deaths were probably because of Covid-19, even though no tests had been conducted.
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Measures of total deaths are also commonly used in countries without detailed accounting of causes of death. Right now, they are the most useful tool, several epidemiologists said, for measuring the impact of coronavirus in the United States, too.

“It gives you an overall sense of how big things are,” said Samuel Clark, a professor of sociology at Ohio State University, whose work is in demography and epidemiology. “For now, you can basically attribute the excess mortality to Covid-19. But you also grab all the things that are not Covid at all, but are probably created by the situation.”

Around the world, the coronavirus is bringing large waves of mortality. In Spain, deaths over the last month are 66 percent higher than normal, according to New York Times reporting. In Ecuador, they are more than 80 percent higher than normal. In Paris, more than twice as many people are dying every day as normal — far more than during a typical bad flu season.

Eventually, we will get more clarity about all of the reasons that people died this year. While no mortality statistics are ever perfect, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention uses detailed death certificates to code the causes of death for everyone who dies each year in the United States. But that process typically takes more than a year to complete.

For now, total deaths are our best glimpse into the ways the coronavirus is affecting the normal patterns of survival.

I wonder what Bill will have to say now. According to Worldometers-dot-info, the virus death toll in the United States has now gone well over 61,000.

CDC estimates* that, from October 1, 2019, through April 4, 2020, there have been:
39,000,000 – 56,000,000
flu illnesses
person coughing icon
18,000,000 – 26,000,000
flu medical visits
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410,000 – 740,000
flu hospitalizations
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24,000 – 62,000
flu deaths
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NOTE: The week of April 4 was the last week in-season influenza burden estimates will be provided for the 2019-2020 season.

Bill, you seem to haave a penchant to argue facts even after theyre in. I recall it was YOU that said
" HURRICANE SANDY is only a cat 1" , even after the NOAA data shows conclusively that it was the deadliest, most expensive . storm to hit Mid Atlantic states and New England in modern time and it was ONLY A CAT 1.
Weve already nearly doubled average seasonal flu numbers and Its only 3 months in. and the second wave with this thing maybe mutating over summers hot weather, will , at a minimum DOUBLE this death rate so thatll be over 4 to 5 times more deaths in less than a year.

If it mutates to a disease that can stir up cytokine floods in the sick, that will target a whole nother group of victims, the VERY YOUNG. You have grandchildren?, me too.

Not what I saw when I check the CDC numbers an link to them many posts ago.

The 2019 to 2020 flu season.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

Quote:

CDC estimates* that, from October 1, 2019, through April 4, 2020, there have been:
39,000,000 – 56,000,000
flu illnesses
person coughing icon
18,000,000 – 26,000,000
flu medical visits
doctor patient icon
410,000 – 740,000
flu hospitalizations
hospital room icon
24,000 – 62,000
flu deaths
flu virus icon
NOTE: The week of April 4 was the last week in-season influenza burden estimates will be provided for the 2019-2020 season.

oralloy wrote:

BillRM wrote:

LOL how dare you risk going out at least in flu season ever again.

If we ever face a flu strain that is predicted to kill half a million people in the US in a single season, I'll make a point of staying inside for that too.

LOL so up to a 100,000 flu deaths on average a year is not a worry but a prediction of 500,000 US deaths when China deaths from Coronvirus is less then a hundreds of that number is a worry to you??????

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BillRM wrote:

oralloy wrote:

BillRM wrote:

LOL how dare you risk going out at least in flu season ever again.

If we ever face a flu strain that is predicted to kill half a million people in the US in a single season, I'll make a point of staying inside for that too.

LOL so up to a 100,000 flu deaths on average a year is not a worry but a prediction of 500,000 US deaths when China deaths from Coronvirus is less then a hundreds of that number is a worry to you??????

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

It's even more absurd that I recall. "Up to a [sic] 100,000 flu deaths on average a year . . ."? Oh my Dog, you must have been smoking some strong **** that day. That was March 14th, we are now a month and a half further on. Do you still allege an average of 100,000 influenza deaths a year?

You can't give it up, can you--you can't admit that you're wrong.