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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Setanta wrote:

Fine, clown, post a link for your alleged numbers.

I already post those numbers many many times on this website and anyone even you could do so by going to the CDC website.

It's not our job to seek out where you got the information.

You make a claim, you provide a link.

That includes a link to the page on the CDC website where these numbers can be found.

Current numbers. Not ones days or weeks old.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Setanta wrote:

Fine, clown, post a link for your alleged numbers.

I will be even kinder then that by telling you to search google or any other major search engine on the text "history of flu deaths in the united states" resulting in such results as So far, 16,000 people have died and 280,000 people have been hospitalized during the 2019-2020 flu season, according to preliminary estimates from the CDC.Feb 21, 2020

So it shouldn't be hard for you to provide the link.

Anyone can just type in those words and say they got them from somewhere.

Prove it.

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@chai2,

chai2 wrote:

BillRM wrote:

Setanta wrote:

Fine, clown, post a link for your alleged numbers.

I will be even kinder then that by telling you to search google or any other major search engine on the text "history of flu deaths in the united states" resulting in such results as So far, 16,000 people have died and 280,000 people have been hospitalized during the 2019-2020 flu season, according to preliminary estimates from the CDC.Feb 21, 2020

So it shouldn't be hard for you to provide the link.

Anyone can just type in those words and say they got them from somewhere.

Prove it.

Silly silly game player as you can place those search terms in google an get the same results an pages of similar results for that matter with links to cdc an other such web sites

Nothing at all in question concerning the death totals from flu year in and year out.

So stop waiting my time and others people time by playing such silly silly games.

Next you will be asking me to prove the moon landings or that two planes hit the world trade center or.......................the earth is not flat.

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Here ya all go.

The CDC wrote:

CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

Compare to:

Worldometers, as of April 6, 2020 wrote:

364,258 cases, 10,798 deaths

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Worldometers gets its data directly from state government websites. They don't seem to list hospitalizations in aggregate.

While the number of cases of COVID-19 is currently only around 4% of the lower end for flu cases (about 8 tenths of one percent of the higher number), the number of deaths is nearly 90% of the lower end for flu deaths (17.7% of the higher end).

Furthermore, the flu death rates are for the entire flu season, which per the CDC is just about October 1, 2019, through March 28, 2020, which is 180 days.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

Contrast this with COVID, where Worldometers graphs from January 22nd (which is about when they first started keeping records). They even list their first day for China as being January 22nd. That's 75 days including today.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-cases/

10,798 deaths in 75 days is 144/day. This is COVID-19.
12,000 deaths in 180 days is 67/day. This is a low # of flu deaths.
61,000 deaths in 180 days is 338/day. This is a high # of flu deaths.

So right now, COVID is kind of in-between the easiest (relatively speaking) and harshest flu seasons.

The biggest issue with COVID-19 is how fast it is spreading, and how dire hospitalized cases are. A further issue is that there is no vaccine, whereas for regular flu, the shot makes the numbers go lower, of course.

This situation isn't overblown. Not one bit.

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And still he doesn’t provide his sources.

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@chai2,

That actually doesn't surprise me. He is the prince of ipse dixit. For many years he has come here making his arrogant statements, and has never felt compelled (apparently) to support his claims.

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@Setanta,

I don’t know why he would think it’s our job to google and search for sources, or even around a particular site he might name to verify whatever he says is there.

Google is an important tool for people to be sure. But if anyone is questioned on the information they said they found, they can’t just say “google it” or “look on this site” without at least specifically showing where they found it. As in provide a link to your source.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

ipse dixit

Aren’t they those 2 mice that Mr Jinx was always trying to catch?

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@chai2,

Wow, thats traveling back in time. Pixie and Dixie...yikes, I forgot about that cartoon....nice catch

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@Setanta,

Those statements are completely back by such websites as CDC.gov and the only meaning of refusing to look at those sites is that you an a few others wish to denial the facts contain on those websites.

Number of infections and the number of deaths yearly due to the yearly flu is a matter of public record and playing games concerning those public records reflect badly on you an your partners not on me.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

Quote:

see below from the cdc website at the link given.

CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.

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@chai2,

chai2 wrote:

I don’t know why he would think it’s our job to google and search for sources, or even around a particular site he might name to verify whatever he says is there.

Google is an important tool for people to be sure. But if anyone is questioned on the information they said they found, they can’t just say “google it” or “look on this site” without at least specifically showing where they found it. As in provide a link to your source.

LOL it is bad enough having a lying president but having others lying an blowing up numbers without foundation to the point of refusing to look at the CDC an similar websites to try to counter balance him does not aid anything at all.

I been a shame of both Trump and company and the counter Trump an company groups as neither care about facts an are completely willing to state falsehoods while not even daring to look at the evidence existing in the public domain.

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@BillRM,

OK.... so when there are more than 61,000 deaths from Covid-19... you will admit that you are wrong.

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@BillRM,

You were claiming 60,000 to 100,000 deaths from seasonal influenza. So you were padding your claim by two-thirds, based on the figures Jespah provided, and linked. That's shitty math from an alleged engineer, and reeks of an attempt to browbeat those who disagree with you. Furthermore, you are ignoring that the figures given by the CDC are skewed because they include the numbers from the 2009 H1N1 pandemic. You also ignore the damage done to victims' cardio-pulmonary systems by the corona virus--permanent damage. Basically, you don't know jack sh*t about this topic, so you try to shout and bully anyone with the temerity do disagree with your bullsh*t.

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Your English sucks, too, Bill. You need to work on that.

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@BillRM,

Bill, 600 people have died just in NYC in each of the last three days. Do you believe that is typical of the flu season? I can't say for certain because the stats aren't there, but I would think that losing 60 people to the flu in one day in one city would be highly unusual. This is 10x that number, three days running. I posted above that there are bodies in the street in the capital of Ecuador. Don't get me wrong, I hope you are right, that either because of actions taken or lethality being less than expected, the death toll is lower, but it's pretty clear that this isn't the flu.

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@BillRM,

Quote:

...copy of link already posted by jespah...

Only took a half dozen requests before you finally submitted that link and even then it was near three hours after jespah had taken care of it. Hope your fingers weren't overburdened by copying it....

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@engineer,

engineer wrote:

Bill, 600 people have died just in NYC in each of the last three days. Do you believe that is typical of the flu season? I can't say for certain because the stats aren't there, but I would think that losing 60 people to the flu in one day in one city would be highly unusual. This is 10x that number, three days running. I posted above that there are bodies in the street in the capital of Ecuador. Don't get me wrong, I hope you are right, that either because of actions taken or lethality being less than expected, the death toll is lower, but it's pretty clear that this isn't the flu.

Well those 61 thousand people did indeed died over one flu season and given that the current virus had not yet gotten near that number mean that the daily deaths total for the flu can not be that small.

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@Sturgis,

Sturgis wrote:

Quote:
...copy of link already posted by jespah...

Only took a half dozen requests before you finally submitted that link and even then it was near three hours after jespah had taken care of it. Hope your fingers weren't overburdened by copying it....

LOL I had posted links one after the other on this subject for weeks repeat weeks on this website so another such request concerning something that is a matter of public record that can be found with any fast search is game playing and nothing but game playing.

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@BillRM,

If this is so, then why did you not do so, HERE, in this thread when it was requested? Instead you insisted people go to Google.

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@BillRM,

So even with that 61K number, that is 300/day, nationwide over a 200 day flu season. In just one city (albeit a very large one), we are seeing twice that. I think there is value in not letting that spread.

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