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roger
 
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Fri 20 Aug, 2021 07:29 pm
By the way, my town or county in NW NM just went back to the mask requirement in public businesses. I wonder if they will soon close restaurants, etc.
mesquite
 
  2  
Fri 20 Aug, 2021 07:47 pm
@roger,
It looks like ozone is the treatment and LOX is used to feed the ozone generator.
https://spartanwatertreatment.com/ozone-generator-lox-systems/
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oralloy
 
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Fri 20 Aug, 2021 08:04 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:
ICU doctor and NBC News analyst Vin Gupta on Gov Abbott's actions:
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Quickly getting access to monoclonal antibody therapy when you’re the fully vaccinated, asymptomatic Governor of Texas shows just how anxious and scared @GregAbbott_TX actually is of a virus that he constantly downplays.

Hope Texans take note.

He's asymptomatic and still getting "experimental" therapy? (Monoclonal therapy is approved by the FDA under an emergency authorization)

I believe the time to take monoclonal antibodies is immediately after you are diagnosed, before severe symptoms occur.

If you wait until you have severe symptoms, it is probably too late for monoclonal antibodies to have any impact.
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engineer
 
  3  
Sat 21 Aug, 2021 05:07 am
@roger,
We're back in masks as well. Things were going well for a while
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edgarblythe
 
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Sat 21 Aug, 2021 10:32 am
70 percent of calls to poison control in Mississippi are for people taking livestock dewormer.
Mame
 
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Sat 21 Aug, 2021 02:07 pm
Video from the NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/21/health/covid-nursing-shortage-delta.html
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BillRM
 
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Sat 21 Aug, 2021 05:16 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

70 percent of calls to poison control in Mississippi are for people taking livestock dewormer.


Lord are some people are stupid dealing with a deadly disease not with FDA approval vaccines but with horse dewormer drug being promoted on such sites as fox!!!!!!
oralloy
 
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Sat 21 Aug, 2021 06:11 pm
Better get vaccinated if not already.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/index.html#cases_community

https://images2.imgbox.com/dc/88/N1gj60GS_o.png
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farmerman
 
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Sat 21 Aug, 2021 06:17 pm
@BillRM,
Ive heard several folks in the cattle industry taking IVOMEC (brand name of Ivermectin). These are available OTC at places like Tractor Supply and many feed an grain mills.
Kinda dumb since the IVOMEC is a fairly large dose delivered as a bolus or a paste ( depending on the stock animal). I dont know where the Ivermectin story got started but it was late last year and I heard it on Fox.

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edgarblythe
 
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Sun 22 Aug, 2021 07:39 am

Abraxas' Praxis
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Narrator: "It was at this moment that Donald realized he may have, in fact, fucked up."
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Region Philbis
 
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Sun 22 Aug, 2021 07:47 am

https://iili.io/R1xwXa.jpg

Laughing


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Wilso
 
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Tue 24 Aug, 2021 11:04 pm
If you have to catch it, I know where I'd rather be.

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If you have COVID-19, and you feel breathless, you have trouble breathing or you're feeling dizzy, you need to call an ambulance. An ambulance is free, your medical care will be free, and there will be people who can care for you even if English is not your first language.
roger
 
  1  
Wed 25 Aug, 2021 12:12 am
@Wilso,
Yeah. Seems like the only thing we consider is death. Not the ruinous expense of ambulance and a couple weeks hospitalization.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 25 Aug, 2021 10:06 am
Since the beginning of the pandemic, there has been speculation about whether the coronavirus originated in a laboratory. A report by the US intelligence service was supposed to provide proof. But without China, clarification is not possible, they say.

Similar, the authors of the March WHO report into how COVID-19 emerged warn that further delay makes crucial inquiry biologically difficult.

Nature: Origins of SARS-CoV-2: window is closing for key scientific studies
edgarblythe
 
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Wed 25 Aug, 2021 10:46 am
They are still learning how to use the vaccines, as you can tell just by watching Israel. They are vaccinated, but they are resorting to boosters to quell a new surge.
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izzythepush
 
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Wed 25 Aug, 2021 11:04 am
@Walter Hinteler,
China has it’s own propaganda campaign, fuelled by conspiracy nuts claiming the Covid virus was manufactured in Fort Detrick in Maryland.

The Chinese have a rap singer demanding that Fort Detrick “open the door.”

So successful has this propaganda campaign been that Fort Detrick is a household name in China. How many Americans have heard of it?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 25 Aug, 2021 11:12 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
The Chinese have a rap singer demanding that Fort Detrick “open the door.”
The head of the Arms Control Department at the Chinese Foreign Ministry, Fu Cong, said on Wednesday that no victim would have to provide information to incriminate himself. If the US believed China was guilty, it would have to provide evidence of that itself. Instead, he called on the WHO to visit the US military laboratory at Fort Detrick.
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edgarblythe
 
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Wed 25 Aug, 2021 09:54 pm
I don't see how my country can get control of this without a total lockdown.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 26 Aug, 2021 04:32 am
The German company BioNTech and its US partner Pfizer plan to submit further data to the US Food and Drug Administration for approval of a booster vaccine against coronavirus.

According to the manufacturers, a phase III study showed that a booster vaccination with their vaccine had "significant neutralising antibody titres" against the coronavirus. A corresponding application with these data is to be submitted by the end of the week.

Participants in the study received the third dose of the Corona vaccine between 4.8 and eight months after completing the second vaccination, according to the companies. Neutralising antibody titres against the wild-type strain of Sars-CoV-2 were 3.3 times higher one month after the booster dose than titres after the conventional second vaccine dose, the release said. The phase III study involved 306 volunteers aged 18 to 55 years.

BioNTech press release
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hightor
 
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Thu 26 Aug, 2021 06:30 am
The Coronavirus Is Here Forever. This Is How We Live With It.

We can’t avoid the virus for the rest of our lives, but we can minimize its impact.

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In the 1980s, doctors at an English hospital deliberately tried to infect 15 volunteers with a coronavirus. COVID-19 did not yet exist—what interested those doctors was a coronavirus in the same family called 229E, which causes the common cold. 229E is both ubiquitous and obscure. Most of us have had it, probably first as children, but the resulting colds were so mild as to be unremarkable. And indeed, of the 15 adult volunteers who got 229E misted up their nose, only 10 became infected, and of those, only eight actually developed cold symptoms.

The following year, the doctors repeated their experiment. They tracked down all but one of the original volunteers and sprayed 229E up their nose again. Six of the previously infected became reinfected, but the second time, none developed symptoms. From this, the doctors surmised that immunity against coronavirus infection wanes quickly and reinfections are common. But subsequent infections are milder—even asymptomatic. Not only have most of us likely been infected with 229E before, but we’ve probably been infected more than once.

This tiny study made little impression at the time. In the ’80s and ’90s, coronaviruses still belonged to the backwater of viral research, because the colds they caused seemed trivial in the grand scheme of human health. Then, in the spring of 2020, scientists urgently searching for clues to immunity against a novel coronavirus rediscovered this decades-old research. Before the emergence of SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19, only four known coronaviruses were circulating among humans, including 229E. All four of these coronaviruses cause common colds, and in the most optimistic scenario, experts have told me, our newest coronavirus will end up as the fifth. In that case, COVID-19 might look a lot like a cold from 229E—recurrent but largely unremarkable.

That future may be hard to imagine with intensive-care units filling up yet again during this Delta surge. But the pandemic will end. One way or another, it will end. The current spikes in cases and deaths are the result of a novel coronavirus meeting naive immune systems. When enough people have gained some immunity through either vaccination or infection—preferably vaccination—the coronavirus will transition to what epidemiologists call “endemic.” It won’t be eliminated, but it won’t upend our lives anymore.

With that blanket of initial immunity laid down, there will be fewer hospitalizations and fewer deaths from COVID-19. Boosters can periodically re-up immunity too. Cases may continue to rise and fall in this scenario, perhaps seasonally, but the worst outcomes will be avoided.

We don’t know exactly how the four common-cold coronaviruses first came to infect humans, but some have speculated that at least one also began with a pandemic. If immunity to the new coronavirus wanes like it does with these others, then it will keep causing reinfections and breakthrough infections, more and more of them over time, but still mild enough. We’ll have to adjust our thinking about COVID-19 too. The coronavirus is not something we can avoid forever; we have to prepare for the possibility that we will all get exposed one way or another. “This is something we’re going to have to live with,” says Richard Webby, an infectious-disease researcher at St. Jude. “And so long as it’s not impacting health care as a whole, then I think we can.” The coronavirus will no longer be novel—to our immune systems or our society.

Endemicity as the COVID-19 endgame seems quite clear, but how we get there is less so. In part, that is because the path depends on us. As my colleague Ed Yong has written, the eventuality of endemic COVID-19 does not mean we should drop all precautions. The more we can flatten the curve now, the less hospitals will become overwhelmed and the more time we buy to vaccinate the unvaccinated, including children. Letting the virus rip through unvaccinated people may get us to endemicity quickest, but it will also kill the most people along the way.

The path to endemic COVID-19 will also depend on how much the virus itself continues to mutate. Delta has already derailed summer reopening plans in the U.S. And with so much of the world still vulnerable to infection, the virus has many, many opportunities to luck into new variants that may yet enhance its ability to spread and reinfect. The good news is this virus is unlikely to evolve so much that it sets our immunity back to zero. “Our immune responses are so complex, it’s basically impossible for a virus to escape them all,” says Sarah Cobey, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Chicago. For example, levels of antibodies that quickly neutralize SARS-CoV-2 do indeed drop over time, as happens against most pathogens, but reserves of B cells and T cells that also recognize the virus lie in wait. This means that immunity against infection may wane first, but the protection against severe illness and death are much more durable.

Protection against severe illness and death was, in fact, the original goal of vaccines. When I spoke with vaccine experts as the trials were under way last summer, they universally told me to temper expectations. Vaccines against respiratory viruses rarely protect against full infection because they are better at inducing immunity in the lungs than in the nose, where respiratory viruses gain their first foothold. (Consider: The flu shot is 10 to 60 percent effective depending on the year.) But “the extraordinary efficacy” from the initial clinical trials raised expectations, Ruth Karron, the director of the Center for Immunization Research at Johns Hopkins University, told me. With the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines 95 percent effective against symptomatic infection, eliminating COVID-19 locally, like measles or mumps in the U.S., suddenly seemed possible.

Then came the less pleasant surprise: new variants, like Beta, Gamma, and now Delta, that erode some protection from vaccines. “We now are where we thought we would be a year ago,” Karron said. The vaccines still protect against serious illness very well, as expected, but herd immunity again seems out of reach. The virus will continue to circulate, but fewer people will get sick enough to be hospitalized or die. Highly publicized outbreaks among vaccinated people, such as in Provincetown, Massachusetts, already show this pattern playing out. And entire countries with high vaccination rates, such as the U.K., Iceland, and Israel, are also seeing spikes with only a fraction of their pre-vaccine deaths.

The timing and severity of reinfections and breakthrough infections once COVID-19 becomes endemic depend on how quickly the protective effects of immunity against the virus wanes. And that, in turn, depends on a combination of two factors: first, how quickly our immune systems get rusty against SARS-CoV-2, and second, how quickly this coronavirus evolves to disguise itself. The immunological machinery is simply harder to rouse against an old enemy. But a reinfection or breakthrough infection does reinvigorate the immune response. A breakthrough case acts “like a booster for the vaccine,” as Laura Su, an immunologist at the University of Pennsylvania, told my colleague Katherine J. Wu. In the 229E study, the doctors also found that the volunteers who did not get infected the first time were more likely to be infected when exposed a year later, compared with volunteers who got sick the first time—suggesting that more recent illness is more protective.

The virus itself will also change with time. As more people gain immunity via either infection or vaccination, the coronavirus will try to find ways to evade that immunity too. This is a natural consequence of living with a circulating virus; the flu also mutates every year in response to existing immunity. But in the endemic scenario, where many people have some immunity, the coronavirus will not be able to infect as many people or replicate as many times in each person it infects. “I’m very confident that the rate of adaptation is going to be set by the prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 in the world,” Cobey says. You might think of viral replication as buying lottery tickets, in which the virus accumulates random mutations that very occasionally help it spread. And the fewer lottery tickets the virus has, the less likely it is to hit the mutation jackpot. The appearance of troubling new variants may slow down.

Reinfections with the four common coronaviruses are likely driven by a combination of our immunity fading and the viruses themselves evolving. Putting together everything we do know, a pattern starts to emerge: We are likely first exposed to these common coronaviruses as children, when the resulting disease tends to be mild; our immune systems get rusty; the virus changes; we get reinfected; the immune response is updated; the immune system gets rusty again; the virus changes again; we get infected. And so on.

In the best case, COVID-19 will follow the same pattern, with subsequent infections being mild, says Stephen Morse, an epidemiologist at Columbia University. “If the burden of disease is not high, we take [the virus] very much for granted,” he says. Still, these colds are not completely benign; one of the common-cold coronaviruses has caused deadly outbreaks in nursing homes before. In a less good scenario, COVID-19 looks like the flu, which kills 12,000 to 61,000 Americans a year, depending on the season’s severity. But deaths alone do not capture the full impact of COVID-19. “A big question mark there is long COVID,” says Yonatan Grad, an immunologist and infectious-disease researcher at Harvard. There are still no data to prove how well the vaccines prevent long COVID, but experts generally agree that a vaccinated immune system is better prepared to fight off the virus without doing collateral damage.

The transition to endemic COVID-19 is also a psychological one. When everyone has some immunity, a COVID-19 diagnosis becomes as routine as diagnosis of strep or flu—not good news, but not a reason for particular fear or worry or embarrassment either. That means unlearning a year of messaging that said COVID-19 was not just a flu. If the confusion around the CDC dropping mask recommendations for the vaccinated earlier this summer is any indication, this transition to endemicity might be psychologically rocky. Reopening felt too fast for some, too slow for others. “People are having a hard time understanding one another’s risk tolerance,” says Julie Downs, a psychologist who studies health decisions at Carnegie Mellon University.

With the flu, we as a society generally agree on the risk we were willing to tolerate. With COVID-19, we do not yet agree. Realistically, the risk will be much smaller than it is right now amid a Delta wave, but it will never be gone. “We need to prepare people that it’s not going to come down to zero. It’s going to come down to some level we find acceptable,” Downs says. Better vaccines and better treatments might reduce the risk of COVID-19 even further. The experience may also prompt people to take all respiratory viruses more seriously, leading to lasting changes in mask wearing and ventilation. Endemic COVID-19 means finding a new, tolerable way to live with this virus. It will feel strange for a while and then it will not. It will be normal.

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