What was Trump doing in the Middle East?

@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

The Palestinians have been in the country since time immemorial.

Most Palestinians are not citizens of Israel. They have no right to become citizens of Israel. They have no right to live in Israel. They have no right to enter Israel.

InfraBlue wrote:

It was the Zionists that invaded

Zionists are not invaders. Zionists are the original indigenous population.

InfraBlue wrote:

and immured the Palestinians in bantustans in Palestine.

If Palestinians wanted to live in a country, they should have made peace and accepted their own country when it was being offered to them.

I'll feel no sympathy for the Palestinians when they end up with the Gaza Strip alone as their only sovereign territory.

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@InfraBlue,

Quote:

Stop oppressing the Palestinians.

I am not oppressing them. I am telling you they are terrorists. It is just the truth, nothing to do with oppression.

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@coldjoint,

I think InfraBlue is claiming that Palestinian terrorists are terrorists only because the Palestinians are being oppressed by Israel.

The catch is, he defines Israel's very existence as oppression.

Even if the Palestinians had their own state alongside Israel, he would still count the Palestinians as being oppressed simply because Israel continued to exist.

The only way that Israel can end this alleged oppression is by completely ceasing to exist.

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@oralloy,

The Palestinians are being denied their Right of Return. That is oppression.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
The Palestinians have been in the country since time immemorial.

Most Palestinians are not citizens of Israel. They have no right to become citizens of Israel. They have no right to live in Israel. They have no right to enter Israel.

The Palestinians have rights to Palestine that the Zionists are denying.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
It was the Zionists that invaded

Zionists are not invaders. Zionists are the original indigenous population.

The Zionists are from other parts of the world who invaded Palestine to establish their ethnocentric state at the expense of the Palestinians.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
and immured the Palestinians in bantustans in Palestine.

If Palestinians wanted to live in a country, they should have made peace and accepted their own country when it was being offered to them.

Peace won't be obtained by denying the Palestinians their rights in Palestine.

oralloy wrote:

I'll feel no sympathy for the Palestinians when they end up with the Gaza Strip alone as their only sovereign territory.

Opinion noted.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

The Palestinians are being denied their Right of Return. That is oppression.

Unless they are already an Israeli citizen, Palestinians do not have any right to enter Israel.

Unless they are already an Israeli citizen, Palestinians do not have any right to live in Israel.

Unless they are already an Israeli citizen, Palestinians do not have any right to vote in Israel.

Palestinians need to mind their own business and let Israel live in peace.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

The Palestinians have rights to Palestine that the Zionists are denying.

That is incorrect. Israel has repeatedly offered the Palestinians a fair and just two-state solution.

InfraBlue wrote:

The Zionists are from other parts of the world

That is incorrect. Zionists are the original indigenous population of the West Bank area.

InfraBlue wrote:

who invaded Palestine to establish their ethnocentric state at the expense of the Palestinians.

Indigenous people have the right to reclaim their homeland.

InfraBlue wrote:

Peace won't be obtained by denying the Palestinians their rights in Palestine.

Lack of peace means that Israel is free to use military force to take whatever land they want.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
The Palestinians are being denied their Right of Return. That is oppression.

Unless they are already an Israeli citizen, Palestinians do not have any right to enter Israel.

Unless they are already an Israeli citizen, Palestinians do not have any right to live in Israel.

Unless they are already an Israeli citizen, Palestinians do not have any right to vote in Israel.

Palestinians need to mind their own business and let Israel live in peace.

The Israelis need to cease and desist oppressing the Palestinians and comply with the Palestinians' Right of Return.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
The Palestinians have rights to Palestine that the Zionists are denying.

That is incorrect. Israel has repeatedly offered the Palestinians a fair and just two-state solution.

The two-state solution is unfair and denies the Palestinians' Right of Return.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
The Zionists are from other parts of the world

That is incorrect. Zionists are the original indigenous population of the West Bank area.

Wrong. The Zionists are from other parts of the world

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
who invaded Palestine to establish their ethnocentric state at the expense of the Palestinians.

Indigenous people have the right to reclaim their homeland.

So then, the Palestinians have the right to reclaim their homeland.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Peace won't be obtained by denying the Palestinians their rights in Palestine.

Lack of peace means that Israel is free to use military force to take whatever land they want.

Israel will never know peace. Peace will only begin to be obtained by the dismantling of the Zionist state.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

The Israelis need to cease and desist oppressing the Palestinians

Given that you define Israel's very existence as oppression, and the only way that Israel can end the oppression that you complain of is by ceasing to exist, no. Israel doesn't need to do that.

InfraBlue wrote:

and comply with the Palestinians' Right of Return.

The only thing that the Palestinians have a right to is a two-state solution. And they will only have the right to that when they finally agree to peace.

Without peace, Palestinians have no rights at all.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

The two-state solution is unfair

That is incorrect. Letting both peoples have their own state is perfectly fair.

InfraBlue wrote:

and denies the Palestinians' Right of Return.

The only thing that the Palestinians have a right to is a two-state solution. And they don't even have that right until they agree to peace.

InfraBlue wrote:

Wrong. The Zionists are from other parts of the world

No they aren't. Zionists are the original indigenous population of the West Bank area.

InfraBlue wrote:

So then, the Palestinians have the right to reclaim their homeland.

A two state solution will allow them to live in their homeland.

InfraBlue wrote:

Israel will never know peace. Peace will only begin to be obtained by the dismantling of the Zionist state.

Then the Palestinians will get nothing at all.

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@InfraBlue,

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Israel will never know peace. Peace will only begin to be obtained by the dismantling of the Zionist state.

Islam says Muslims will kill every Jew. Islam says to hate the Jew. Palestinian youth are taught to hate the Jews. All you are really saying is their will be no peace because of Islam.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
The Israelis need to cease and desist oppressing the Palestinians

Given that you define Israel's very existence as oppression, and the only way that Israel can end the oppression that you complain of is by ceasing to exist, no. Israel doesn't need to do that.

Yes, Israel has to to that.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
and comply with the Palestinians' Right of Return.

The only thing that the Palestinians have a right to is a two-state solution. And they will only have the right to that when they finally agree to peace.

No. The Palestinians have the Right of Return. Compliance by Israel is the only way to peace.

oralloy wrote:

Without peace, Palestinians have no rights at all.

Without rights for the Palestinians, the Israelis have no peace at all.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

Yes, Israel has to do that.

That is incorrect. Israel is not required to cease to exist.

International law gives Israel the right to exist, and the right to use military force to preserve their existence.

InfraBlue wrote:

No. The Palestinians have the Right of Return.

No they don't. Without peace, Palestinians have no rights at all. With peace, Palestinians have the right to a two state solution.

InfraBlue wrote:

Without rights for the Palestinians, the Israelis have no peace at all.

Palestinians have the right to a two-state solution. But only if they agree to peace.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
The two-state solution is unfair

That is incorrect. Letting both peoples have their own state is perfectly fair.

Wrong. The two-state solution is unfair and unjust by coercing the Palestinians to relinquish their Right of Return.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
and denies the Palestinians' Right of Return.

The only thing that the Palestinians have a right to is a two-state solution. And they don't even have that right until they agree to peace.

Wrog. The Palestinians have the Right of Return. Peace will only be accomplished by the Zionists' compliance thereof.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Wrong. The Zionists are from other parts of the world

No they aren't.

Yes they are.

oralloy wrote:

Zionists are the original indigenous population of the West Bank area.

No they aren't.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
So then, the Palestinians have the right to reclaim their homeland.

A two state solution will allow them to live in their homeland.

A two-state solution coerces the Palestinians into renouncing their Right of Return throughout their homeland.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Israel will never know peace. Peace will only begin to be obtained by the dismantling of the Zionist state.

Then the Palestinians will get nothing at all.

Then there will never be peace.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

Wrong. The two-state solution is unfair and unjust by coercing the Palestinians to relinquish their Right of Return.

Letting both peoples peacefully coexist in their own states is perfectly fair and just.

InfraBlue wrote:

Wrong. The Palestinians have the Right of Return.

No they don't. They only have the right to a two-state solution. And they only have that if they agree to peace.

InfraBlue wrote:

Peace will only be accomplished by the Zionists' compliance thereof.

Israel is not going to cease to exist. If Palestinians refuse to make peace, they will get nothing at all.

InfraBlue wrote:

Yes they are.

DNA, history, and archaeology say that you are wrong.

InfraBlue wrote:

No they aren't.

DNA, history, and archaeology say that you are wrong.

InfraBlue wrote:

A two-state solution coerces the Palestinians into renouncing their Right of Return throughout their homeland.

They would be able to live in their own state, which would be located within their homeland.

InfraBlue wrote:

Then there will never be peace.

Without peace, Palestinians will get nothing at all.

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@coldjoint,

coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
Israel will never know peace. Peace will only begin to be obtained by the dismantling of the Zionist state.

Islam says Muslims will kill every Jew. Islam says to hate the Jew. Palestinian youth are taught to hate the Jews. All you are really saying is their will be no peace because of Islam.

No. This isn't about Islam. Zionist youth are taught to hate the Palestinians, as well. I'm saying there will be no peace because of the Zionists' perpetual oppression of the Palestinian peoples.

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@InfraBlue,

Let's be clear here. What you are characterizing as oppression is Israel's very existence.

The only way for Israel to end this alleged oppression is by ceasing to exist.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Yes, Israel has to do that.

That is incorrect. Israel is not required to cease to exist.

When the Zionists put Israel's existence in terms of either complying with their obligation towards the Palestinians' Right of Return and ceasing to exist, then yes, Israel is required to cease to exist.

oralloy wrote:

International law gives Israel the right to exist, and the right to use military force to preserve their existence.

International law does not give Israel the right to exist by oppressing the Palestinians in denying them their Right of Return.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
No. The Palestinians have the Right of Return.

No they don't.

Yes they do.

oralloy wrote:

Without peace, Palestinians have no rights at all.

With out rights for the Palestinians, the Zionists have no peace at all.

oralloy wrote:

With peace, Palestinians have the right to a two state solution.

With the Palestinians' Right of Return the Zionists will have peace.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
Without rights for the Palestinians, the Israelis have no peace at all.

Palestinians have the right to a two-state solution. But only if they agree to peace.

Palestinians have the Right of Return. That is the only way to peace.

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@InfraBlue,

InfraBlue wrote:

When the Zionists put Israel's existence in terms of either complying with their obligation towards the Palestinians' Right of Return and ceasing to exist, then yes, Israel is required to cease to exist.

No they aren't.

International law gives Israel the right to exist, and the right to use military force to protect their existence.

InfraBlue wrote:

International law does not give Israel the right to exist by oppressing the Palestinians in denying them their Right of Return.

International law gives Israel exactly that right, as well as the right to use military force to protect their existence.

InfraBlue wrote:

Yes they do.

That is incorrect. Palestinians only have the right to a two-state solution, and only if they agree to peace.

InfraBlue wrote:

With out rights for the Palestinians, the Zionists have no peace at all.

Palestinians have the right to a two-state solution, but only if they agree to peace.

InfraBlue wrote:

With the Palestinians' Right of Return the Zionists will have peace.

Israel is not going to cease to exist. If they will not agree to accept Israel's existence, the Palestinians will end up with nothing at all.

InfraBlue wrote:

Palestinians have the Right of Return.

That is incorrect. Palestinians only have the right to a two state solution, and only if they agree to peace.

InfraBlue wrote:

That is the only way to peace.

The Palestinians will not get anything at all in that case.

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