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Bush Speaks Tonight From Fort Bragg- Oooh-Rah!

 
 
Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 10:44 am
President Bush is scheduled to address us this evening from Fort Bragg, NC. With the military backdrop and soldiers surrounding him, I can hardly wait to hear what he has to say.

I'm opening this thread to discuss what he is expected to say, and afterwards, what he actually said.

Since we have a few hours until the pundits start telling us what to think and expect, we can talk about this while we wait...

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In 1999, George W. Bush criticized President Clinton for not setting a timetable for exiting Kosovo, and yet he refuses to apply the same standard to his war.

George W. Bush, 4/9/99:

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is."

And on the specific need for a timetable, here's what Bush said then and what he says now:

George W. Bush, 6/5/99


"I think it's also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn."

[note: article originally ran in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer on 6/5/99]

VERSUS

George W. Bush, 6/24/05:

"It doesn't make any sense to have a timetable. You know, if you give a timetable, you're ?- you're conceding too much to the enemy."

As posted by Brian: In Bush's "autobiography," Karen Hughes writes of Bush's senior year at Yale:

"My inclination was to support the [United States] government and the [Vietnam] war until proven wrong, and that only came later, as I realized we could not explain the mission, had no exit strategy, and did not seem to be fighting to win."

Well, there are three things he can give us, tonight. An explanation of the mission that's more than "spreading freedom" and "staying on the offense." Those are platitudes, not a mission statement. Explain how our continued presence in Iraq is directly, concretely, specifically in our national interest. Exit strategy? First, confirm that we are, indeed, exiting. Then explain how, specifically, we are going to build up an Iraqi army to leave behind, what it will look like, and how it will be armed. Will there be an Iraqi Air Force? Coast Guard? Who's gonna pay for all this and how long will it take, period? As for fighting to win, I noted three and one-half years ago that no one in this Administration was defining "victory." If it was "disarming Saddam" we'd done it before the war, and now we've confirmed it and it's time for the tickertape parades. If it's something more than that, well, let's get specific.

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Think we'll get any of the above questions answered tonight?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 11:01 am
good night to rent a movie IMHO
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 12:04 pm
The Betting Lines are in

OVER/UNDER - 10
How many times will GW say.."THIS IS HARD WORK"

OVER/UNDER - 4

Number of times GW refers to EVIL DOERS

OVER/UNDER - 6

Number of times GW says .."STAY THE COURSE"

OVER/UNDER - 3

Number of times GW says "STAY TIOLL THE JOB IS DONE"
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 12:25 pm
Wish I was a betting woman. Very Happy
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 12:31 pm
Ever wonder why he says, "This is hard work" so often? You know the co-workers who always tell you how hard they're working? They tend not to be the biggest producers, but they sure want you to think so!
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 12:37 pm
What about the phrase "those that hate freedom."

In any event I am with BVT, only I am going to read a nice big juicy Johanna Lindsey novel instead.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 12:46 pm
I hope we can expect to hear nothing from either of you regarding Bush's speech tomorrow then.

I am interested to see what he has to say.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 12:51 pm
It can be safely assumed that the speech is a PR effort to rekindle support for Operation Iraqi Freedom on the first anniversary of the "handoff" to our Iraqis.

Reagan was able to pull off these non-newsworthy appearances, but Bush, much as he'd like to, can't match the showmanship...
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 02:07 pm
it's interesting that bush rarely, if ever, just sits at the oval office desk and speaks to the nation.

i expect it will be another big karl rove production. tons of flags, adoring troops, huge outbreaks of appreciative applause (right on cue). if it's anything like the previous photo-ops you'll hear the cheerleaders giving cue-up claps and punctuated "yeah!"s and whooops.


probably tivo it and watch it with the missus. she gets great amusement from watching me yell at the t.v.
Very Happy
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woiyo
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 02:15 pm
With all the bashing our troops are taking from the elite crowd, it will be a good moral booster for the troops to see the Cmdr in Chief.

I may joke about "overs and unders" but it is important for the troops and the nation. This is a critical point in the process and I will be interested to hear what he will say.
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 02:17 pm
McGentrix wrote:
I hope we can expect to hear nothing from either of you regarding Bush's speech tomorrow then.

I am interested to see what he has to say.


Ever hear of transcripts, much more reliable.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 02:25 pm
woiyo wrote:
With all the bashing our troops are taking from the elite crowd, it will be a good moral booster for the troops to see the Cmdr in Chief.

I may joke about "overs and unders" but it is important for the troops and the nation. This is a critical point in the process and I will be interested to hear what he will say.


i keep hearing and reading this, but i never really seem to hear anyone bash the troops. nobody i know does.

i know and hear plenty of people bash bush, but that's not bashing the troops.

don't you think that a better moral booster would be getting the troops the stuff they need and having enough guys to get the job done properly so they can get the hell out of the stinkin' desert ?
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 02:45 pm
I am sure the troops would agree that a realistic exit strategy would sure be nice to hear.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 03:38 pm
McGentrix wrote:
I hope we can expect to hear nothing from either of you regarding Bush's speech tomorrow then.

I am interested to see what he has to say.


Abandon hope Captain Underpants, or stop provoking me. You're a slow learner. Laughing Laughing
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 06:57 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
I am sure the troops would agree that a realistic exit strategy would sure be nice to hear.


I'm not expecting to hear an exit strategy any time soon. After all we still have troops in Germany and S. Korea. Those wars were over 50 years ago.

We still have troops in Bosnia and that was in the late 90's. Is it only ok to have troops were you approve?
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 07:10 pm
Who is bashing the troops? I have relatives in Iraq (medical, non-military) and they tell me the troops are bashing Bush. They don't say it to the cameras out of respect for the office, but behind the scenes there is a lot of anger and resentment about being thrown over there without good cause.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 07:42 pm
Green Witch wrote:
...but behind the scenes there is a lot of anger and resentment about being thrown over there without good cause.

Whether it was a correct judgement or not, the "cause," as has been often stated by Bush, was deep concern about what would happen should Hussein be secretly continuing with WMD development. Even if you don't agree with Bush's calculus on the subject, it was out of concern for our safety.
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 07:44 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
Green Witch wrote:
...but behind the scenes there is a lot of anger and resentment about being thrown over there without good cause.

Whether it was a correct judgement or not, the "cause," as has been often stated by Bush, was deep concern about what would happen should Hussein be secretly continuing with WMD development. Even if you don't agree with Bush's calculus on the subject, it was out of concern for our safety.


Nup. I suspect the troops have worked out the REAL reason they're there and they don't like it.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 07:49 pm
So is anyone looking for Osama bin Laden these days?

The leader of the guys that actually attacked the U.S., remember him?

Any mention of the OBL search in the speech tonight?

Nothing in the transcripts.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 08:18 pm
blueveinedthrobber wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
I hope we can expect to hear nothing from either of you regarding Bush's speech tomorrow then.

I am interested to see what he has to say.


Abandon hope Captain Underpants, or stop provoking me. You're a slow learner. Laughing Laughing


Grow up.
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