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The Democrats Gloat Thread

 
 
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2006 02:37 pm
So why don't you stay away from fantasy?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2006 02:39 pm
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2006 02:40 pm
In principle a clever retort. However there was no fantasy - or anything even remotely like it - in my post.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 19 Mar, 2006 02:42 pm
Your characterization of what you wrote, not mine.
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Mon 20 Mar, 2006 09:47 pm
Public Service Message

http://www.yucs.org/~ephraim/bushlip/

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 24 Mar, 2006 12:56 am
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 05:35 pm
A word of warning...

Quote:
The Outrage Gap

By Terence Samuel
04.14.06

Bob Dole could not have been the first one to ponder the question, but he was on to something when he asked of his fellow Americans: "Where's the outrage?"

Back then, during the 1996 presidential campaign, the country was at peace, the economy was roaring along, President Clinton was talking about building a bridge to the 21st century -- whatever the hell that meant -- and he was thinking about how to improve race relations in America.

So what if there were skeletons in his closet waiting to come out. There was a feeling that the guy was trying to move the country somewhere, even if he only wanted to take baby steps. So the answer to Dole's question was a shrug, he lost the election, and Clinton's approval ratings stayed high, even when revelations tumbled out of the White House and he got impeached.

President Bush's approval ratings have begun to resemble his waist size, so we know people are tired of him and his way of doing things. But weary voters are not the same as angry voters. These two types of voters don't behave the same way, and Democrats who are counting on the deepening disenchantment with Bush to take them over the top in November need to pay close attention.

Even as the case grows stronger that Bush led us into an expensive, pointless war that was undertaken under a veil of deception, miscalculation and hubris, Americans remain disengaged. Immigration is generating more heat than a bad war and the almost 2,500 body bags that have come home from it.

And while it's increasingly clear that the Republican revolution has devolved into a carnival of self-dealing and self-interest with utter disregard for the public good, Americans are not on edge, polls say. Almost 70 percent of the public believes the country is on the wrong track, according to an AP-Ipsos poll. And even more of those polled, nearly 90 percent, say political corruption is a serious problem. But despair is not driving any action. Americans might be sick and tired, but are they pissed off? Not so much. We're leaving that to the French.

Gas prices continue to rise, and here is where the monster might begin to stir, because when it takes $46 to fill up a Camry, outrage is overdue. The only thing we know for sure is that immigrants and their boosters are a little more miffed than everyone else, and the GOP keeps feeding their anger with one dumb move after another. But everyone else, it seems, has decided to take the bad with the worse. And those who are angry are mad at both sides. Half of independents think the Democratic and Republican parties are equally corrupt, according to the AP-Ipsos poll. This is the textbook definition of cynicism, and Democrats need to be careful that it does not define a fall campaign in which everyone decides to stay home.

After the 2005 elections, when Democrats won governor's races in New Jersey and Virginia, Democratic strategist Cornell Belcher described a very anxious, "on the cusp of being an angry," electorate. The last thing Democrats need is an electorate on the fence. These people could go either way, if they show up at all.

<snip>
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 05:39 pm
But also some (reeaally) good news...

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Support for Democrats Increases in U.S.

Angus Reid Global Scan : Polls & Research
April 11, 2006

Many adults in the United States think the Democratic Party should take control of the United States House of Representatives and the Senate this year, according to a poll by Ipsos-Public Affairs released by the Associated Press. 49 per cent of respondents want the Democrats in charge of Congress, while 33 per cent favour the Republican Party.

Polling Data

If the election for Congress were held today, would you want to see the Republicans or Democrats win control of Congress?

Democrats
49% Apr. 2006
47% Mar. 2006

Republicans
33% Apr. 2006
37% Mar. 2006

Neither
15% Apr. 2006
13% Mar. 2006


Source: Ipsos-Public Affairs / Associated Press
Methodology: Telephone interviews with 1,003 American adults, conducted from Apr. 3 to Apr. 5, 2006. Margin of error is 3.1 per cent.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2006 03:16 pm
nimh, Do you think that's enough of a margin to ensure a democrat sweep during the next election?
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2006 05:09 pm
Hellfino ... ;-)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2006 09:19 pm
Politcal polls are strange animals, and I'm waiting to find out how accurate they are 7-8 months from now.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2006 09:30 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
nimh, Do you think that's enough of a margin to ensure a democrat sweep during the next election?


The key is turnout, as always...asuming they don't fix another election.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2006 10:02 pm
"What is the difference between the Titanic and the Republican Party?" goes one joke in conservative circles. "At least the Titanic wasn't trying to hit the iceberg."
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2006 10:12 pm
SNIFF the air in Washington, DC, this spring and you notice the smell of decay. The Republicans have been America's dominant party, winning seven of the past ten presidential elections and controlling both houses of Congress since 1994 (except for a brief interlude in 2001-02 when one of their senators defected). And their institutional power has been as nothing compared with their ideological clout. Wherever you look -- from welfare reform to foreign policy -- the conservative half of America has made all the running.

Yet this machine is stalling. The White House is doing its best to engage in some emergency repairs. The past few weeks have seen the appointment of a powerful new chief of staff, Josh Bolten, and a new director of the Office of Management and Budget, Rob Portman. Karl Rove, George Bush's chief political adviser, is also giving up his policymaking role to concentrate on preparing for this November's elections. But the party's problems go too deep for personnel changes to solve.

Mr Bush is the most unpopular Republican president since Richard Nixon: a recent Washington Post-ABC poll showed that 47% of voters "strongly" disapprove of his performance. Tom DeLay, the former House majority leader who did more than anybody else to build the conservative machine in Congress, is retiring in disgrace, the better to focus on his numerous legal problems. More Republicans may well be implicated in the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal in the coming months.

The ideological shine has gone, too. The party of streamlined government has been gorging on legislative pork. A party that once prided itself on businesslike pragmatism has become synonymous with ideologically skewed ineptitude of the sort epitomised by Donald Rumsfeld (see article). "What is the difference between the Titanic and the Republican Party?" goes one joke in conservative circles. "At least the Titanic wasn't trying to hit the iceberg."

This presents an opportunity for America's other big party. The Democrats hope to win this year's congressional elections in November and, on the back of those, to capture the White House in 2008. They need a net gain of 15 seats to take over the House and six seats to take over the Senate.

With two-thirds of Americans convinced that their country is heading in the wrong direction, this might appear to be easy. It isn't. First, various technical factors -- from the power of incumbency to gerrymandering -- will help the Republicans in November. More important, if the Republicans reek of decay, the Democrats ooze dysfunctionality: divided, beholden to interest-groups and without a coherent policy on anything that matters to America and the world (see article).

It is never easy for America's out-of-government party. There is no leader of the opposition, and the cleverer presidential candidates may want to keep their powder dry till 2008. But it is not impossible to produce coherent ideas. In 1990 "New Democrats" began to gather round Al Gore and Bill Clinton; in 1994 Newt Gingrich rallied Republicans around his "Contract with America". Nowadays "the alternative to Bush" is a muddle of vacuous populism and meaningless slogans (who is not for "real security", whatever that is?). Worst of all, the Democrats are marching backwards.

Take the party's economic policies. Mr Clinton stood for free trade and (after some retraining) a balanced budget. In 1993, 102 House Democrats, less than half the total, voted for the North American Free-Trade Agreement. Last year, only 15 Democrats defied the unions to vote for a smaller trade bill, the Central American Free-Trade Agreement. In the usually wiser Senate, only 11 out of 44 Democrats supported the bill, and John Kerry and Hillary Clinton were not among them. As for the budget, the Democrats' main criticism of Mr Bush's splurge is that he has not spent enough.

This, sadly, is symptomatic. Some Democrats are trying to unpick Mr Clinton's welfare reforms. Despite the party's rhetoric about protecting the poor, it has blocked most serious attempts to improve the schools poor children are condemned to attend. As for national security, the party seems to be veering ever further to the Michael Mooreish left. Two years ago, Mr Kerry savaged Mr Bush over Iraq, but talked relatively responsibly about a gradual withdrawal. Now the call from many of the party's leaders is to bring the troops home now -- and hang the consequences for the region.

Familiar vested interests are sometimes at work. The Democrats' relationship with the teachers' unions is just as crony-ridden as (and even more damaging to America's long-term interests than) the White House's ties to Big Oil. But there is also something new eating away at the Democratic brain: fury at Mr Bush. And though Bush-bashing may be understandable, it also looks increasingly counterproductive. The risk for the Democrats is that, although Mr Bush will retire to Crawford in 2009, he will have defined them as an anti-Bush party -- isolationist because he was interventionist, anti-business because he was pro-business. Mr Rove would love that.

Incompetence v incoherence: the battle intensifies

Mention this to party activists and you will get the same complaint that Mr Clinton mercifully ignored in the early 1990s: you are just trying to turn their party into "Republican lite". In fact, there are plenty of areas where liberal America needs to stand up bravely for its beliefs: against the death penalty, in defence of civil liberties, sounding a warning on global warming. American voters respect principles and convictions; what they do not like is pandering to special interests and waffle.

The real danger facing the Democrats is that they become a permanent minority party -- a coalition that enjoys support from the super-rich, a few minorities and the working poor, but is out of touch with the suburban middle class, not to mention America's broader interests. Such a party might sneak a victory this year, thanks to Mr Rumsfeld et al, but then get hammered by, say, John McCain in 2008.

Two years ago, this newspaper narrowly favoured Mr Kerry's incoherence over Mr Bush's incompetence. Since then, Republican incompetence has exceeded even our worst fears. How depressing to report that Democratic incoherence has soared too. America deserves better.

-- The Economist, 20 April 2006
http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=6826160
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 23 Apr, 2006 09:48 am
Bush, the worst president in US history:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/profile/story/9961300/the_worst_president_in_history/?rnd=1145806966375&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.872
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 24 Apr, 2006 06:29 pm
Bush Impeachment - The Illinois State Legislature is Preparing to Drop a Bombshell Utilizing a little known rule of the US House to bring Impeachment charges

by Steven Leser

http://www.opednews.com

Steven Leser

The Illinois General Assembly is about to rock the nation. Members of state legislatures are normally not considered as having the ability to decide issues with a massive impact to the nation as a whole. Representative Karen A. Yarbrough of Illinois' 7th District is about to shatter that perception forever. Representative Yarbrough stumbled on a little known and never utlitized rule of the US House of Representatives, Section 603 of Jefferson's Manual of the Rules of the United States House of Representatives, which allows federal impeachment proceedings to be initiated by joint resolution of a state legislature. From there, Illinois House Joint Resolution 125 (hereafter to be referred to as HJR0125) was born.

Detailing five specific charges against President Bush including one that is specified to be a felony, the complete text of HJR0125 is copied below at
the end of this article. One of the interesting points is that one of the
items, the one specified as a felony, that the NSA was directed by the
President to spy on American citizens without warrant, is not in dispute.

That fact should prove an interesting dilemma for a Republican controlled US House that clearly is not only loathe to initiate impeachment proceedings, but does not even want to thoroughly investigate any of the five items brought up by the Illinois Assembly as high crimes and/or misdemeanors.

Should HJR0125 be passed by the Illinois General Assembly, the US House will be forced by House Rules to take up the issue of impeachment as a privileged bill, meaning it will take precedence over other House business.


The Illinois General Assembly joins a growing chorus of voices calling for
censure or impeachment of President Bush including Democratic state
committees in Vermont, Wisconsin, New Mexico, Nevada and North Carolina as well as the residents themselves of seven towns in Vermont, seventy Vermont state legislators and Congressman John Conyers. The call for impeachment is starting to grow well beyond what could be considered a fringe movement.

An ABC News/Washington Post Poll Conducted April 6-9 showed that 33% of Americans currently support Impeaching President Bush, coincidentally, only a similar amount supported impeaching Nixon at the start of the Watergate investigation. If and when Illinois HJR0125 hits the capitol and the individual charges are publicly investigated, that number is likely to grow rapidly. Combined with the very real likelihood that Rove is about to be indicted in the LeakGate investigation, and Bush is in real trouble beyond his plummeting poll numbers. His cronies in the Republican dominated congress will probably save him from the embarassment of an impeachment conviction, for now, but his Presidency will be all but finished.


Developing News; California Becomes SecondState to Introduce Bush
Impeachment.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 24 Apr, 2006 06:48 pm
The Economist wrote:
The real danger facing the Democrats is that they become a permanent minority party -- a coalition that enjoys support from the super-rich, a few minorities and the working poor, but is out of touch with the suburban middle class

The notion that "the super-rich" favour the Democrats is bull.

Of those voters whose family income in 2003 was over $200,000, 62% voted Bush in the last Presidential elections.

That was a higher proportion than in any other income group. Among those middle classes, on the other hand, Bush only got some 54%.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 25 Apr, 2006 01:54 am
Gosh, I see c.i. has beaten me to this:


The Worst President in History?
By Sean Wilentz
Rolling Stone

Friday 21 April 2006

One of America's leading historians assesses George W. Bush.

(Illustration by Robert Grossman)

George W. Bush's presidency appears headed for colossal historical disgrace. Barring a cataclysmic event on the order of the terrorist attacks of September 11th, after which the public might rally around the White House once again, there seems to be little the administration can do to avoid being ranked on the lowest tier of U.S. presidents. And that may be the best-case scenario. Many historians are now wondering whether Bush, in fact, will be remembered as the very worst president in all of American history.

<end>

Never mind, it's a point of view worth stating any number of times.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 25 Apr, 2006 02:41 am
But, emotionally satisfying as it might be to those with a vengeful streak, what does all this impeachment stuff achieve?


Even if it were successful, what would change?

Cheney would be president, right? So...what would be different?

This is a serious question, by the way.


I think that the impeachment stuff on Clinton was almost criminal in its waste of time, money and energy, for all involved...and motivated by blind hatred. Is this so different? The crimes are certainly serious, but what can all this achieve?


Is it realistic to think that it can be proven that Bush intentionally lied to get your country into war? (I am sure he did, as anyone but the most diehard Bushies probably believes by now...but proving is different)

Is this not a distraction of energy from campaigning firstly to get rid of the Republican domination in your parliament, and then to fight for the presidency?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 25 Apr, 2006 10:06 am
dlowan, If Bush is impeached within the next three years, and Cheney becomes president, even Cheney will shiver under the throes of impeachment. He's a bit smarter than Bush, I presume.
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