The Democrats Gloat Thread

Ticomaya wrote:

Hate to put a damper on all the good feelings this post might have generated, but what would the gloating be about? Keeping Democratic governorships in NJ and VA? (I agree with your sentiments about those two campaigns, BTW.)

Ditto on the campaigns. Implying that Kaine in Virginia wouldn't have used capital punishment against Hitler is just over the top and bringing in Corzine's ex-wife to trash him in the New Jersey campaign was tasteless.

Of course, we'd have had something to crow about if we'd upset the incumbents and no doubt we'd have spun it as a positive for Bush. But...as you've pointed out so well, all we see here is that incumbents won in two states and one city and that a Republican state rejected a Democratic initiative and a Democratic state rejected Republican initiatives. Status quo, perhaps, but not a harbinger of what will happen in '06 I don't think.

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Whistling past the graveyard LOL

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[quote="JustWonders"

Of course, we'd have had something to crow about if we'd upset the incumbents and no doubt we'd have spun it as a positive for Bush. But...as you've pointed out so well, all we see here is that incumbents won in two states and one city[/quote]

Mark Warner won in Virginia? LOL

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Local Voters Decisively Defeat Karl Rove

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Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Such cutting edge satire! To three year olds.

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I'm sure it's been pointed out earlier, but Bush showed up in VA before the election to boost the GOP candidate. And VA is a red state. Surely it's some reflection on Bush's popularity that a Democrat won.

And that ain't spin...

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But I am still confused about Just Wonder's statement.

He claims that incumbent Mark Warner was re-elected.

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D'artagnan wrote:

I'm sure it's been pointed out earlier, but Bush showed up in VA before the election to boost the GOP candidate. And VA is a red state. Surely it's some reflection on Bush's popularity that a Democrat won.

And that ain't spin...

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Lt. Gov. Tim Kaine, a Democrat, defeated Kilgore to win the job in the statehouse. Kaine won on the strength of his close relationship with popular Gov. Mark Warner, says Morris, and despite an eleventh hour campaign visit on behalf of Kilgore by President George Bush.

Morris said mainstream media will likely blame Bush's visit - and his low job approval rating - as the anchor that sunk Kilgore. Yet, said Morris, Bush should not be held responsible for the Republicans not regaining control of the Virginia governor's office.

"Kilgore lost because he ran a really dumb campaign," Morris told Fox News after the election results were announced Tuesday night. "He accused Kaine of opposing the death penalty, when Kaine said he personally opposed it, but would enforce the law.

"If [your opponent] is enforcing the law, you can't use it against him as a campaign issue. You can't blame George Bush for Kilgore running a really dumb campaign."

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Status quo, perhaps, but not a harbinger of what will happen in '06 I don't think.

If these elections and plebiscites were the only relevant measures in view, then sure, one could conclude that there's nothing much going on here.

But that's clearly not the case. This administration (and I would argue, the movement which it represents) is in very serious trouble now. We all know the polls and other indicators which continue to steadily downtrend. We all know the problems Bush faces up ahead.

If something happens which turns all this around for the administration/Republican party, then all of us will be surprised, some happily so and some not. But surprised for sure.

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Ticomaya wrote:

D'artagnan wrote:
I'm sure it's been pointed out earlier, but Bush showed up in VA before the election to boost the GOP candidate. And VA is a red state. Surely it's some reflection on Bush's popularity that a Democrat won.

And that ain't spin...

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Lt. Gov. Tim Kaine, a Democrat, defeated Kilgore to win the job in the statehouse. Kaine won on the strength of his close relationship with popular Gov. Mark Warner, says Morris, and despite an eleventh hour campaign visit on behalf of Kilgore by President George Bush.

Morris said mainstream media will likely blame Bush's visit - and his low job approval rating - as the anchor that sunk Kilgore. Yet, said Morris, Bush should not be held responsible for the Republicans not regaining control of the Virginia governor's office.

"Kilgore lost because he ran a really dumb campaign," Morris told Fox News after the election results were announced Tuesday night. "He accused Kaine of opposing the death penalty, when Kaine said he personally opposed it, but would enforce the law.

"If [your opponent] is enforcing the law, you can't use it against him as a campaign issue. You can't blame George Bush for Kilgore running a really dumb campaign."

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This, of course, has to be the talking point. Truth or falsity is not relevant to such statements in post-election losses as this. It has to be insisted, contrary to whatever these boys say in private and contrary to what we all know, that the leader's status has nothing to do with the loss.

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Boortz sums it up nicely...

BIG NIGHT FOR DEMS? HARDLY

Much is being made about last night's Democratic victories in New Jersey in Virginia.....as if it's some sort of referendum on George Bush and his parties' chances in the 2006. But really, as much as it was somewhat of a Republican defeat, it doesn't really matter too much in the larger scheme of things.

First of all, the victories in New Jersey and Virginia do not represent a loss of Republican power. Corzine is replacing the Democratic stand-in who took over after former Democratic Governor James McGreevey came out of the closet and resigned. Kaine wins in Virginia replacing another Democrat. The press is hailing the Kaine win as some sort of embarrassment to the president, since he campaigned for the Republican opponent, Jerry Kilgore. But as you will find in today's reading assignments, Kilgore ran an extremely inept campaign and essentially defeated himself.

So...the Democrats retain two governorships...BFD. The Democrats did not "clean up big," as the Associated Press is declaring today. In fact, according the AP's own poll, President Bush wasn't a factor in voters' choices yesterday. We are a political eternity away from the mid-term elections next year, and the left is going to have to do a lot more to try and fulfill their goal of winning back the House and the Senate.

Now .. having said that, let's also point out that the Republicans in congress have been a huge disappointment of late. Today they're engaging in that anti-capitalistic exercise of browbeating oil company executives. The Republican chairman of the Senate Finance Committee has introduced a new version of profit sharing, where corporations bow to government and political pressure and "donate" huge chunks of their profits to government spending programs -- as if they didn't pay enough taxes in the first place. Then there's the spending. Republicans have shown absolutely no desire whatsoever to curtail spending.

Frankly, if they lose control of the Congress in the midterm elections next year I won't be all that upset. They deserve it.

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and the left is going to have to do a lot more to try and fulfill their goal of winning back the House and the Senate.

That's true, given the tendency of incumbents to be re-elected. But on the other hand, it is hard to imagine a situation less favorable to the Republicans than what we see presently. What more can go wrong that isn't going wrong now? The downtrends aren't blips, they are long term.

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nimh wrote:

Much less to gloat about re: NJ. Race [..] only was [close] because Corzine is hardly the most attractive Democrat you can find (ok, one of the least attractive Democrats you can find).

I have no idea why I said that. Must have been confused with his predecessor. He was the one with all the scandal, right? Of Corzine I have a vaguely negative impression in my memory from earlier, but I dont really remember why. So scratch that, sorry.

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nimh wrote:

nimh wrote:
Much less to gloat about re: NJ. Race [..] only was [close] because Corzine is hardly the most attractive Democrat you can find (ok, one of the least attractive Democrats you can find).

I have no idea why I said that. Must have been confused with his predecessor. He was the one with all the scandal, right? Of Corzine I have a vaguely negative impression in my memory from earlier, but I dont really remember why. So scratch that, sorry.

His predecessor was the one who came out of the closet and resigned.

I thought you were talking about Corzine's beard.

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It wasnt the coming out of the closet that bothered me about that scandal (obviously)...

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nimh wrote:

It wasnt the coming out of the closet that bothered me about that scandal (obviously)...

What was it then? Was there more to the scandal?

There was the adulterous affair with a former aide (who happened to be gay ... not that there's anything wrong with that), and he was being sued for sexual harrassment .... but those are hardly scandals anymore, is it? Must be something I'm not remembering.

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I asked Just Wonders a simple question and he disappears. Odd.

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twin_peaks_nikki wrote:

I asked Just Wonders a simple question and he disappears. Odd.

Why are you fixated on Just Wonders?

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The scandal was that his lover was on the payroll with no qualification to hold the position. Kind of a gay Mike Brown. I am really starting to wonder why people who post on political forums are so lacking (especially the right) in their knowledge of current political events.

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Ticomaya wrote:

twin_peaks_nikki wrote:
I asked Just Wonders a simple question and he disappears. Odd.

Why are you fixated on Just Wonders?

Because he is so fixated on me.

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