The Democrats Gloat Thread

Let me give you an example, Walter: All those who strenuously assert that Bush lied to get the US into a war with Iraq .... those folks are living in a fantasyland. That doesn't necessarily mean they're stupid.

Bush's Popularity Reaches New Low
58 Percent in Poll Question His Integrity

By Richard Morin and Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, November 4, 2005; A01



For the first time in his presidency a majority of Americans question the integrity of President Bush, and growing doubts about his leadership have left him with record negative ratings on the economy, Iraq and even the war on terrorism, a new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows.

On almost every key measure of presidential character and performance, the survey found that Bush has never been less popular with the American people. Currently 39 percent approve of the job he is doing as president, while 60 percent disapprove of his performance in office -- the highest level of disapproval ever recorded for Bush in Post-ABC polls.

Virtually the only possible bright spot for Bush in the survey was generally favorable, if not quite enthusiastic, early reaction to his latest Supreme Court nominee, Samuel A. Alito Jr. Half of Americans say Alito should be confirmed by the Senate, and less than a third view him as too conservative, the poll found.

Overall, the survey underscores how several pillars of Bush's presidency have begun to crumble under the combined weight of events and White House mistakes. Bush's approval ratings have been in decline for months, but on issues of personal trust, honesty and values, Bush has suffered some of his most notable declines. Moreover, Bush has always retained majority support on his handling of the U.S. campaign against terrorism -- until now, when 51 percent have registered disapproval.

The CIA leak case has apparently contributed to a withering decline in how Americans view Bush personally. The survey found that 40 percent now view him as honest and trustworthy -- a 13 percentage point drop in the past 18 months. Nearly 6 in 10 -- 58 percent -- said they have doubts about Bush's honesty, the first time in his presidency that more than half the country has questioned his personal integrity.

It goes to show you the liberal MSM has a firmer grip on the psyches of the American public than you are willing to admit.

November 4, 2005
Bush to Tap Strategic Approval Reserves

You're free to believe what you want to believe, nimh. To each his own.

Ticomaya wrote:

You're free to believe what you want to believe, nimh. To each his own.

Yep - I'm fine with having opposite beliefs about whether the "MSM" are liberal or not, as well.

What I was calling you on was the lack of logic within your argument.

If the reason for Bush's and the Republican Party's current record-low poll numbers is the way "the liberal MSM has a firm grip on the psyches of the American public", then how come how they had buoyant poll numbers a few years ago, when the media were the same?

Is the MSM's "firm grip on the psyches of the American public" something that has just recently materialised? Or only recently became "firm"?

Firmer now, even, still, apparently, than during the onslaught of political media coverage in election year 2004, when Bush's polling numbers were, though not great, significantly better than they are now?

How do you argue that, rationally - that when you look at these current, record-low poll numbers, what they show is just the power of "the liberal MSM"?

Its not an argument, its a last resort...

If that were true Clinton's poll numbers would have been in the dumps, the media regulary slimed him.

revel wrote:

If that were true Clinton's poll numbers would have been in the dumps, the media regulary slimed him.

Why do you always want to talk about Clinton, revel?

revel wrote:

If that were true Clinton's poll numbers would have been in the dumps, the media regulary slimed him.

Why do you always want to talk about Clinton, revel?