The Democrats Gloat Thread

Good one DTOM. :-)

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JustWonders wrote:

Not directly. We shared a joke about Cindy's professional make-up artist and from his comments, I concluded that he was neither seeking nor would entertain such machinations for himself.

i was asked to do a taped interview by drew griffin, when he was with kabc, in my own office a few years ago. i was given a quick touch up. even in that loose environ, there's such a thing as production values.

if your boy was interviewed in house, you better believe he got hit with a rag.

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Sozobe - I was speaking of other potential documentation which may prove to be embarrassing to the liberals supporting the Sheehan crowd. Wasn't specifically referring to the make-up thing.

<Although I do feel that if the NYT or any other newspaper had shown the photo, it would have at least caused some of the common folks to wonder...Crawford isn't Hollywood, after all>

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JustWonders wrote:

You got me laughing, DTOM

<You're actually pretty funny...you ever consider stand-up***?>

good !!! we've all been hopping on each other too much around here lately.

***only at parties. Laughing

that gig makes being a musician look like easy street.

besides, robin williams lives. there can only be one. :wink:

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DontTreadOnMe wrote:

JustWonders wrote:
Not directly. We shared a joke about Cindy's professional make-up artist and from his comments, I concluded that he was neither seeking nor would entertain such machinations for himself.

i was asked to do a taped interview by drew griffin, when he was with kabc, in my own office a few years ago. i was given a quick touch up. even in that loose environ, there's such a thing as production values.

if your boy was interviewed in house, you better believe he got hit with a rag.

First of all, he's not "my boy". I do respect and admire what he's about, though. Believe what you will, DTOM. You could be right...you could be wrong. I assure you, though, there was no professional make-up artist camped out at Ft. Qualls in anticipation of all the interviews that NBC, CBS or CNN would be requesting. I would think how one "looks" would be the last thing they were thinking of in their endeavor to "get out their message".

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DontTreadOnMe wrote:

JustWonders wrote:
You got me laughing, DTOM

<You're actually pretty funny...you ever consider stand-up***?>

good !!! we've all been hopping on each other too much around here lately.

***only at parties. that gig makes being a musician look like easy street.

besides, robin williams lives. there can only be one. :wink:

Yup. Should stick to criticism and opinion of the issues and subjects of the discussions and keep our opinions of any other than public personalities to ourselves.

Smile

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JustWonders wrote:

First of all, he's not "my boy".

dint mean anything bad by it.

my reference was to in studio taping. outside ? maybe, maybe not.

but the point is still, to me, if he got powdered, so what?

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JustWonders wrote:

You got me laughing, DTOM

<You're actually pretty funny...you ever consider stand-up?>

Don't encourage him, JW.

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LOL! I bet he's a riot at a party Smile

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JW, I'm making a larger point, too, not just the makeup. If I have a cause I believe in and I get help in furthering it from major organizations, there isn't any particular shame in it. It's mutually beneficial -- the large organization gets a personal face and story for their cause, I get the backing and resources of a large organization. It's not like I'm actually an actor/ escort pretending to be a legitimate news reporter and asking leading questions, or a commentator being paid to flog a policy, or a "news" report that is actually a partisan production paid for by the government, or anything. (Ahem.)

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sozobe wrote:

JW, I'm making a larger point, too, not just the makeup. If I have a cause I believe in and I get help in furthering it from major organizations, there isn't any particular shame in it.

I didn't imply there was. I merely opined that much of Cindy Sheehan's stay in Crawford was documented by various sources (some perhaps even unknown to her) and some of it could be potentially embarrassing and could be a reason some of her support organizations have pulled back. We'll have to wait and see.

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Well, fair enough. I was going by statements like this, though:

JW wrote:

also think a lot will be forthcoming in the weeks ahead (now that she's leaving Crawford) about what really went on there and who was really behind it.

"Really" behind it? Why can't it be enough that Sheehan has something she feels passionately about and received support for her cause from major organizations?

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JustWonders wrote:

I merely opined that much of Cindy Sheehan's stay in Crawford was documented by various sources (some perhaps even unknown to her) and some of it could be potentially embarrassing

Of course. So? Micheal Moore, both in "Bowling for Columbine" and "Fahrenheit 9/11", has repeatedly secured cheap laughs by filming Fox reporters, George Bush, Paul Wolfowitz, Charlton Heston and others when they did embarrassing things, thinking they were off-camera or talking to a friendly interviewer, but weren't. This footage is one major cause for the deep gut-level revulsion I feel for Michael Moore. More importantly for this thread, can you think of any conservative organization that abandoned these people because of those embarrassing scenes? I don't think so; neither should they, neither should corresponding Democratic organizations, and neither do I expect them to.

JustWonders wrote:

and could be a reason some of her support organizations have pulled back.

Contrary to your assertion, MoveOn doesn't appear to be one of them. You might want to check their webpage and see who is their top story today.

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sozobe wrote:

If I have a cause I believe in and I get help in furthering it from major organizations, there isn't any particular shame in it. It's mutually beneficial -- the large organization gets a personal face and story for their cause, I get the backing and resources of a large organization.

right on the mark, soz. it's called "politics".

in my humble view, even when no cash is involved, everything is politics. goverenance is politics. business is politics. art is politics. news is politics. religion is politics. sports is politics. marriage is politics.

even sex is politics. especially for single people. Shocked

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Thomas wrote:

Contrary to your assertion, MoveOn doesn't appear to be one of them. You might want to check their webpage and see who is their top story today.

danke dir, thomas. i was wondering about that. and yep, moveon is still with her.

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sozobe wrote:

Well, fair enough. I was going by statements like this, though:

JW wrote:
also think a lot will be forthcoming in the weeks ahead (now that she's leaving Crawford) about what really went on there and who was really behind it.

"Really" behind it? Why can't it be enough that Sheehan has something she feels passionately about and received support for her cause from major organizations?

Perhaps it will be enough. It could be that now that she's packed up and left Crawford, no more will be heard.

What if, though, hypothetically speaking of course, the public was told that land was donated by a Crawford resident who sympathized with Mrs. Sheehan and her cause, but later found out that that was not the case at all, and that, in fact, a rather large and well known liberal organization had arranged to pay a large sum of money to "lease" that resident's land for the month of August, 2005.

Or...what if (again, hypothetically) a rather well known figure, prominent in a rather well known liberal organization was filmed reacting to a statement about Casey and Cindy Sheehan by saying "this isn't about Casey or Cindy Sheehan and never has been." ?

I don't know what the public reaction would be. Perhaps revulsion, such as Thomas mentions, perhaps indifference, mostly likely sick of hearing about all of it.

Who knows? As I said, we'll just have to wait and see.

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DontTreadOnMe wrote:

even sex is politics. especially for single people.

Haha. And, aren't you glad you're no longer a part of that scene Smile

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JustWonders wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:
even sex is politics. especially for single people.

Haha. And, aren't you glad you're no longer a part of that scene

in a rare moment of outward spiritual expression, i have dropped to my knees and thanked the creator !

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The revulsion Thomas mentions is for the people who think such thing matters -- that Michael Moore made such a big deal out of it, for example -- not the embarassing moments, themselves.

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Entirely possible...probable, even.

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