Who is not a Nazi? Examining four decades of American politics.

Only you have a problem with this.



These guys in Charlottesville with the Nazi flag are widely regarded as Nazis, but not by you. You're so desperate to score some sort of points that you've reached the ridiculous position of calling everyone Nazis except the real thing.

Hitler probably wouldn't have been a Nazi according to you.

Yes, people walking around with swastikas are actually Nazis. Barack Obama was not an actual Nazi. Hopefully you can see the difference.

The word nazi should not be used just because you disagree with someone.

Finally you admit it. It only took you two years.

This is from the Bernie Sanders thread and it is perfectly illustrative of the issue.



https://able2know.org/topic/531143-1#post-6898365

The basic line of argument he is making is.

1) There were Nazis at the Charlottesville rally.
2) There were people with red hats at the Charlottesville rally.
3) Therefore wearing a red hat means you are a Nazi.
4) Therefore Trump supporters are Nazis.

The last sentence is really the icing on the cake.

You are such a wuss, playing to the gallery.

What's indicative is that you said Sander's supporters were nastier than Nazis.

You also said that opposition to Nazis is an extreme viewpoint.

You said this ****, and now you're trying to pretend otherwise like you always do.

At least get the facts straight, Izzy. Facts matter.

- It was you who brought up Nazis on that thread.

- I said that Sander's supporters were more annoying than Nazis. I also that Sander's supporters were nastier than people in red MAGA hats, but I never said that Sander's supporters were nastier than nazis.

- I have never gotten daily multiple voicemail spams from Nazis.

- I did say that opposition to nazis is an extreme viewpoint. I assume you are smart enough to understand the point I am making. I stand by that point.

After it was established that MAGA supporters in Charlottesville were Nazis. It was only then you said that Sanders' supporters were nastier than MAGA supporters.

You're trying to play word games but you lack the necessary skills. You're trying to go right up to the line, but your clumsy prose lets you down, and you end up actually saying what you mean.

It's not so easy being a control freak when there's a record of what you've said, makes gaslighting very difficult.

You seem to have a problem with the basic proposition that not all firetrucks are red.

If I understand your argument correctly you are saying that since people were wearing red hats at Charlottesville, and there were Nazis at Charlottsville therefore people who wear read hats are nazis.

I don't accept this line of reasoning.

I am very careful with how I use the word "nazi". I think it should be used very sparingly. If the word Nazi simply means "someone I disagree with" we are trivializing history.

There are two ways I will call someone a nazi.

1) If they specifically identify with the Nazi party. Someone who wears a Nazi swastika or praises Hitler is a Nazi.

2) If they directly call for the death or expulsion of a racial or ethnic group.

In my opinion, the word Nazi should not be used in any other circumstance.

We don't have fire trucks over here, we have fire engines. And they are all bloody red, at least when the fire brigade are driving them.

And now you're reduced playing logic games. I don't go for your cheap parlour tricks. We had already established the link between MAGA supporters and neo Nazis when you gave your little utterance.

You were cross, and not fully in control, as is evidenced by your spiteful little post about the UK. When you're cross you lash out, try to go for a bit of shock value so you posted something you knew would cause offence.

Now you've had time to think about it you've changed your mind, but you're desperate to save face so you resort to these silly little logic games. Whether all MAGA wearers are Nazis is not the point. What's important is what you meant when you posted your preference of them.

And considering that we'd only just been talking about neo Nazis it's inconceivable that you meant anything else. This is what I wrote, and it's what you replied to. I've bolded up the important bits





More nasty, self righteous and divisive than neo Nazis. That's what you said. That's what you replied to. Stop trying to weasel your way out of things.


It's quite pathetic having to pick over the bones like this. Why can't you just be honest for a change instead of constantly trying to respin things in your favour and dragging arguments from other threads.

Bingo... you get the red ribbon.

You and I are on the same side here. In this thread, I am suggesting that anyone who is outside of your ideological bubble is a nazi. That is exactly what you are arguing.

Not we're not Max, you're trying to make a wholly unnecessary point while ignoring the troubling rise of the far right.

I am troubled by the rise of extremism on both the right and the left. From the left you have increased calls for censorship, disruption of speeches on campus and calls for voices to be silence. From the left you also have violence against protesters, speakers and police.

This, of course, doesn't take away from the crimes and hatred coming from the right. But it doesn't excuse it either.

The United States is a actual democracy (*). We will have an election, and the democrats are going to have to convince voters who aren't outraged about Christmas songs to vote for them. Telling people that they are nazis is not a good way to win votes.

(* It is silly to argue about the electoral college, especially if you are from a country that doesn't have a written Constitution or a functioning legislative branch.)

The word Nazi has a very specific very real context. The use and abuse of the wording "Nazi" on political and online inflated hyperbolic discourse is disgusting!

Your default position is always that of a patronising fool. When a volte face doesn't work you change the subject and try to lecture on something you barely understand.