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I will not vote for Bernie Sanders

 
 
Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 07:58 am
I have nothing against Bernie Sanders as a person. I think he has been great in congress. I think he has had a great voice on issues. I am glad that he ran against Hillary. And, I am glad that he has had a public platform to express his views.

However, I don't actually think that Sanders would be a good president. I don't really see executive ability working with divided government. He has one of the worst record working on bipartisan legislation. His role in Congress has been to push a left agenda unflinchingly. There is nothing wrong with this in Congress, but it isn't what the United States needs in the White House.

But the real problem with Bernie Sanders is his supporters. I have never seen such a group of nasty, dogmatic, self-righteous, divisive people (although people wearing red MAGA hats are a close second).

I enthusiastically support Elizabeth Warren. I would vote for Kamala, Beto, or Buttiege at this point happily. I would vote for Biden (but I wouldn't be happy).

But let me be the first to say #NeverSanders. I don't think he will win the nomination. I hope that he bows out gracefully for a Warren candidacy. But I will not vote for him.
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hightor
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 08:42 am
@maxdancona,
Well put.

What some people fail to see is that, if you're running as a Democrat — or a Republican — having solid support from your party isn't enough to win an election. Because somewhere around 40% of voters are unenrolled and a good proportion of them are true independents (as opposed to people who usually vote for one party but can't be bothered to enroll). I don't know what Sanders's support from party members is currently but I'd guess around 20%. That's sizeable but not as much as Biden (!) has. Should Sanders win the nomination, what are the chances of his pulling in the Biden supporters and, even more importantly, how many of the independents? His stubborn, unrelenting advocacy of democratic socialism is both a positive and a negative. On the positive side, we know where he comes from, he calls it like he sees it, and his supporters are deeply committed. On the negative side, I don't see him having the ability to change the minds of people who are wary of leftist solutions, skeptical of government, and somewhat cautious about embracing wholesale changes to the system.

I don't think he will win the nomination either. But I'm not willing to say #NeverSanders. If he succeeds I'd probably vote for him anyway.

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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 08:59 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

But the real problem with Bernie Sanders is his supporters. I have never seen such a group of nasty, dogmatic, self-righteous, divisive people


You're seriously saying that Sander's supporters are worse than the swastika wielding neo Nazi Trump supporters who marched through the streets of Charlottesville and murdered Heather Heyer.

maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 09:36 am
@izzythepush,
Actually, what I said is that Bernie supporters aee more nasty, self-roghteous and divisive.

Yes, I am seriously saying that.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 09:39 am
@maxdancona,
You're seriously saying the Nazis are better people.

I must say this is a rare moment of honesty, never thought it would be this easy to finally get the truth out of you.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 09:42 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

You're seriously saying the Nazis are better people.

I must say this is a rare moment of honesty, never thought it would be this easy to finally get the truth out of you.


Wow you're dumb. It's like you can't read and understand what words mean.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 09:46 am
@izzythepush,
Where did I say that?

Saying Nazis are less annoying then Bernie supporters doesnt mean that they are better people. I could point out that Trump supporters are not synonomous with Nazi... but what the hell. I will play your game.

Bernie supporters are more annoying than Nazis.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 09:51 am
@McGentrix,
Birds of a feather and all that.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 09:53 am
@maxdancona,
You didn't say Sander's supporters were more annoying than Nazis you said they were nastier. Now you may be able to get some backward fascist to support you but those of us who know what words mean won't acquiesce so easily.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 09:55 am
@izzythepush,
You seem to be confusing people in red MAGA hats with Nazis.

maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 10:13 am
@McGentrix,
You should cut Izzy some slack. He isn't from a modern democracy.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 10:28 am
@maxdancona,
but he is a student of linguistic precision, unlike many of us Merkins. I calls em MAGAZIS
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 10:29 am
@maxdancona,
There was no confusion in Charlottesville, Nazis and MAGA hat wearers marching side by side.

You may wish to try to make a false distinction, just don't expect anyone else to believe it.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 10:33 am
@maxdancona,
You sound more like a toddler every day. You've made yourself look very silly because your language skills are not up to the job, but instead of accepting you're mistaken and you probably meant to phrase things differently you lash out like a kid.

You really are on a downward spiral.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 10:52 am
@izzythepush,
There are millions of Americans who voted for Obama in 2008/2012 and for Trump in 2016. The Democrats really want these votes for their eventual nominee.

If these people feel like the Democrats think they are nazis... it is going to be difficult for them to vote for the Democratic nominee. Of course, the same can be said for the Bernie supporters (who might not vote for the Democratic nominee if their feelings are hurt)...

The Democratic nominee is going to have to be able to reach outside of the outraged base if they are going to win.


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maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 10:57 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

but he is a student of linguistic precision, unlike many of us Merkins. I calls em MAGAZIS


How cute... a pormanteau of Maga and feminazi. It is just what we need more of, extreme Americans on both sides ripping the country apart.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 11:09 am
@maxdancona,
You're the one embracing extremism, and you've been found out.

Not wanting to talk for Farmerman but I don't think he's the sort of person to use the term Feminazi. That's the preserve of sad incel losers. I think he meant Nazis, like your pals marching in Charlottesville.

Only you could frame opposition to Nazis as extreme.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 11:13 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Only you could frame opposition to Nazis as extreme.


I don't think I am the only one who feels this way. Opposition to nazis is a sign of extremism. Viewing everyone who disagrees with you as a nazi is extreme.

Since nazis don't have anything to do with Bernie Sanders supporters, I started a new thread for you.

https://able2know.org/topic/531159-1
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 11:17 am
@maxdancona,
You're not the only one who feels that way, other Nazi sympathisers feel the same.

There was a thing called the Holocaust, millions of innocent people were murdered by the Nazis. If you don't oppose that then you're no better than those who want to bring it back.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Mon 16 Sep, 2019 11:25 am
@izzythepush,
My response to this goes on the "Who is a Nazi" thread.

https://able2know.org/topic/531159-1#post-6898368

(I am waiting to see the "Vote for Bernie or you are a Nazi" bumper sticker.)

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