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Who is Elizabeth Warren?

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2019 07:30 am
@glitterbag,
E Warren and all the candidates are going to have to face the 9-11 issue this coming election because the scientific evidence is out and it is absolutely overwhelming. The US Federal Grand Jury in NYC investigating the CDs of the three towers, the lawsuit against the US DoJ and the FBI for lying to the 9-11 Commission.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2019 07:39 am
@Olivier5,
I hope she gets elected as President. Not sure she will be successful at every one of her goals, but just some of them will be a huge step in the right direction. I love her drive. I have more faith in her as President than I do Biden, somehow I just can't see him getting things done unless he has a very good team and Vice President working with him. I can't see Sander's working with anybody besides only people he sees as purist as he sees himself.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2019 07:46 am
@revelette1,
Do you think that people who can't face reality should be able to vote, Rev?
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2019 07:46 am
@JTT,
I was in dowtown Manhattan that day, while you were in St Petersburg..., and can testify to whoever that cares, that the firefighters present around the WTC that day were at a total loss. They had no clue, they were shocked and confused, like everybody else, and they were doing all sorts of useless or even counterproductive things. While they were cheered afterward, the truth is that they fucked up on that day. They even documented their own **** up in a post hoc enquiry which I read.

So no, I'm not going to lose sleep because some of them 'professionals' think they saw molten steel, in the confusion of the moment.

You're welcome to remain all confused and angry about it, for what I care.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2019 07:50 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
So no, I'm not going to lose sleep because some of them 'professionals' think they saw molten steel, in the confusion of the moment.


Incredible, Olivier actually thinks he knows more than all the professionals. FEMA, you do know who that is, don't you, Olivier? documents the molten/vaporized WTC steel from WTCs 1, 2 and 7.

Quote:
I-A. The 2002 FEMA Report
New York Times journalist James Glanz, writing near the end of 2001 about the collapse of WTC 7, reported that some engineers said that a “combination of an uncontrolled fire and the structural damage might have been able to bring the building down,” but that this “would not explain,” according to Dr. Barnett, “steel members in the debris pile that appear to have been partly evaporated in extraordinarily high temperatures.” [13]

Glanz was referring to Jonathan Barnett, a professor of fire protection engineering at the Worcester Polytechnic Institute (WPI). Early in 2002, Barnett and two WPI colleagues published an analysis of a section of steel from one of the Twin Towers, along with sections from WTC 7, as an appendix to FEMA’s 2002 World Trade Center Building Performance Study. [14] Their discoveries were also reported in a WPI article entitled “The ‘Deep Mystery’ of Melted Steel,” which said:

“[S]teel – which has a melting point of 2,800 degrees Fahrenheit [1538°C] – may weaken and bend, but does not melt during an ordinary office fire. Yet metallurgical studies on WTC steel brought back to WPI reveal that a novel phenomenon – called a eutectic reaction – occurred at the surface, causing intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese.”

Stating that the New York Times called these findings “perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation,” the article added:

“A one-inch column has been reduced to half-inch thickness. Its edges – which are curled like a paper scroll – have been thinned to almost razor sharpness. Gaping holes – some larger than a silver dollar – let light shine through a formerly solid steel flange. This Swiss cheese appearance shocked all of the fire-wise professors, who expected to see distortion and bending – but not holes.” [15]

In discussing “the deepest mystery,” the New York Times story said: “The steel apparently melted away, but no fire in any of the buildings was believed to be hot enough to melt steel outright.” [16] That was an understatement, because a building fire, even with a perfect mixture of air and fuel, could at most reach 1,000°C (1,832°F). [17] In fact, Professor Thomas Eagar of MIT estimated that the fires were “probably only about 1,200 or 1,300°F [648 or 704°C].” [18]

http://www.consensus911.org/point-tt-6/
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2019 07:50 am
@revelette1,
Bernie is perfectly capable of heading the US and working with others, as long as they are honest. Don't believe all the lies spread about him. I agree that Warren seems to be more fired up than him though. To me, a Sanders-Warren or Warren-Sanders ticket would be ideal.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2019 07:55 am
@JTT,
I just saw what I saw: confused 'professionals' running around like headless chicken.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2019 07:57 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
I was in dowtown Manhattan that day,


You have advanced this non sequitur before. Where a know nothing like you were that day is of NO importance whatsoever. What is important is that you know absolutely nothing of which you speak. Yet you make a grand pretense of your complete nothingness.

As late as five months after the attacks, in February 2002, firefighter Joe O’Toole sees a steel beam being lifted from deep underground at Ground Zero, which, he says, “was dripping from the molten steel.” [KNIGHT RIDDER, 5/29/2002]

Leslie Robertson, structural engineer for the design of the World Trade Center
"[T]hey pulled out the big block of concrete and there was like a little river of steel flowing."
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revelette1
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2019 07:58 am
@Olivier5,
Actually my opinions are my own. I have always thought Sander's was a loner so to speak even though I agree with a good deal of issues, I never liked his personality. Grumpy, lecturing, and a bit self righteous.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2019 07:59 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
I just saw what I saw: confused 'professionals' running around like headless chicken.


You possess NOTHING whatsoever that makes you qualified to make such judgments. You, who have done nothing but lie since your first comment on the science and events of 9-11.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2019 08:01 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
Grumpy, lecturing, and a bit self righteous.


But not very likely to murder millions of innocents like your other presidents, right, Rev? You gotta think that is a plus, right?
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2019 08:05 am
@revelette1,
I like grumpy, never felt at ease with the American obsession about pretending to feel good and be positive and smiling all the ******* time, you know, while the planet is burning. What's up with that?
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2019 08:09 am
@JTT,
And unfortunately, you do possess SOMETHING that makes you qualified to write here on a2k: **** for brains.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2019 08:16 am
@Olivier5,
Here's is Olivier, casting aspersions when Olivier dutifully and steadfastly ignores the evidence of molten/vaporized WTCs 1, 2 and 7 structural steel from FEMA, the USGS, the NYTs, RJ Lee Group, John Gross, 2nd in command for the NIST WTC studies, Leslie Robertson, one of the designers of the twin towers, ... .

Don't you think that you illustrate by your total avoidance of all this evidence that it is you that has "**** for brains", Olivier?

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revelette1
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2019 08:46 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
I like grumpy, never felt at ease with the American obsession about pretending to feel good and be positive and smiling all the ******* time, you know, while the planet is burning. What's up with that?


To each their own as the trite saying goes.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2019 08:49 am
@revelette1,
How can you so studiously avoid irrefutable evidence, Rev?
revelette1
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2019 09:07 am
@JTT,
Listen there is no way in the world I am going to get involved in a useless discussion about the world towers and what it is or is not made up of and that being evidence of the US bringing a fraud upon the world claiming that Muslim terrorist attacked our country and with that "lie" then proceeded the rest which came after.

I accept the evidence which pointed the leaders of AQ and Bin Laden himself admitted to responsibility in 2004. Evidence is all over the web which can be gathered at Wikipedia here and here.

Now I know you are get into some kind of long drawn out rebuttal of sorts, but I have no interest in it. Furthermore, you disrupt every single thread with your spamming of your message I guess I could say. I have nothing against you, but I wish you would refrain and respect the topic of the threads you visit.

In the meantime, I'll go back to my studiously avoiding this topic.
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2019 09:26 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
I accept the evidence which pointed the leaders of AQ and Bin Laden himself admitted to responsibility in 2004. Evidence is all over the web which can be gathered at Wikipedia here and here.


OBL flatly denied being involved in multiple news media interviews, Rev. You just believe your lying MSM becaus they are the liars you have been raised on.

Do you know what impossible means? Molten and vaporized [this means that the steel boiled] WTCs 1, 2 and 7 structural steel means that there were no hijackers or OBL involvement. The fires created by alleged hijackers burned 1300 to 1500F cooler than the temps needed to melt steel, 3600F cooler than temps needed to boil/vaporize steel.

The US government conspiracy theory is scientifically impossible.


The FBI says that they have no evidence linking OBL to the attacks.
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2019 09:29 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
the US bringing a fraud upon the world claiming that Muslim terrorist attacked our country and with that "lie" then proceeded the rest which came after.


You know full well that the Bush government lied about Iraq WMDs. Why can't you look at the evidence that they lied about the attacks on the twin towers? WTC7 wasn't even involved and it fell at free fall speed for 2.5 seconds, 8 storeys, 105 of its initial fall. ONLY controlled demolitions can cause free fall.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2019 12:27 pm
@Olivier5,
There will NEVER be a Sanders-Warren ticket...not ever.
 

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