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How Dare We Call It a War!

 
 
Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 25 Mar, 2003 09:31 pm
This rose is starting to smell more like skunk-weed.

The Backpedal War - Possibility of Quagmire Looms
Commentary, William O. Beeman,
Pacific News Service, Mar 25, 2003

Rosy predictions of a quick and (for U.S. troops) painless war have evaporated in the face of Iraqi resistance and no widespread welcoming of coalition forces. The accuracy of another prediction, the discovery of weapons of mass destruction, waits in the wings.

Almost as soon as war in Iraq began, President Bush began to backpedal, equivocating on the optimistic predictions that had preceded the conflict.

The rosiest scenario, promulgated by virtually every administration official, was the specter of millions of Iraqis throwing down their arms at first sight of American troops, lining the streets and cheering them as liberators. Television commentator Chris Matthews called this the "gold standard" for gauging the war's success. Such a picture is surely the image the administration wishes to promulgate by naming the military action "Operation Iraqi Freedom."

In the first days of fighting, such jubilation has been far from evident. Despite the parade of retired military commanders on television touting the progress of the U.S. troops, resistance has been stiff. U.S. soldiers have not been welcomed by the Iraqi population. Moreover, hundreds of thousands elsewhere in the Islamic world have turned out to protest the American actions in what seems to be a perpetual demonstration.

In his March 17 speech throwing down the gauntlet for the offensive attack, President Bush promised a short war. Almost instantly the administration revised its scenario. Bush told the American public on March 19 with the opening volley that the war would be longer and harder than anticipated. Since then, weather has not cooperated. Sandstorms and heat have inhibited military operations. The longer these operations last, the more difficult they will become. Heat, humidity and wind increase significantly as summer approaches. By May or June, if the war lasts that long, military operations may be at a standstill.

The "coalition" of nations helping the United States, touted so heavily by the White House, turns out to be mostly lip service from remote, miniscule states. Aside from Britain and Australia, the largest contribution of actual fighting forces has come from Poland, which sent several hundred troops, mostly non-combatants. The sober truth is that most of those sacrificed in battle will be Americans.

This also means that the administration will pay the billions the war will cost out of American taxpayers' pockets. President Bush has already requested nearly $75 billion. Less than half a billion of that is earmarked for humanitarian aid, and only $1.4 billion for reconstruction of Iraq. Almost all of the money will be blown up.

Pro-war pundits have had to do significant revisions regarding post-war prospects.

"Instant Democracy" in an ethnically integrated post-war Iraq was predicted by many -- most prominently by Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz and White House cheerleader and National Standard editor William Kristol. This too is looking very shaky, as strange activities on the Northern Front call into question the status of the Kurdish and Turkoman regions. Turkish troops in that area make the annexation of all or part of the region a looming possibility. This would touch off an internal war in the north, hindering integration of the nation.

Shi'a leaders in the South, noting the majority status of their population, are already demanding control of government, raising the possibility of a Shi'a dominated region in Southwest Asia. This region would reach from the Afghan border to Bahrain and Eastern Saudi Arabia and to the Mediterranean in Southern Lebanon. Saudi Arabia, Egypt and the other Sunni states in the region are horrified at this prospect.

However, the greatest revision is yet to come. American troops have not found the weapons of mass destruction that were the ostensible reason for the war. Neither have the Iraqis yet employed chemical and biological weapons, which Washington predicted. The Bush administration will have to concoct some very serious spin if these materials are not discovered.

Now that the war has begun, it is unrealistic to expect that the United States will stop or pull back, barring disaster. However, Americans can pray for no further bad news. There is a fairly predictable relationship between public sacrifice and public support. If the war lasts longer than three weeks, and if loss of American life begins to exceed two to three thousand, Americans will begin to seriously question the viability of the conflict.

At that point, the Bush administration would be in very serious trouble. Let us hope that every optimistic prediction for the war is true. There would be nothing messier than being trapped in a quagmire, not able to go forward, and no longer able to backpedal out.

PNS contributor William O. Beeman ([email protected]) teaches anthropology and is director of Middle East Studies at Brown University. His forthcoming book is "Iraq: State in Search of a Nation."
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 26 Mar, 2003 12:10 am
"Quagmire"...boy, is this a word these boys jump on in press conferences. But it is possible, no matter how much they insist, over and over again "there is no question about the final result". Of course, it's difficult to see more than one thing when you are looking through a straw, or a gunsight.

If these guys have gotten it wrong regarding Iraqui citizen response (and that is certainly possible given that the push for this war from 1992 on evolved out of concerns other than helping Iraqui citizens realize their own wishes) then it could get very ugly indeed. Today's doonsebury... http://www.doonesbury.ucomics.com/strip/dailydose/index.htm
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maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Wed 26 Mar, 2003 12:21 am
Yeah, but seriously, does anyone even CARE what Mr. Jane Pauly thinks?

Assuming of course, he DOES think....

Doonsberry is SO ten years ago.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 26 Mar, 2003 12:34 am
Max...at the leading edge of matters intellectual again. You know another political cartoonist with greater distribution? With a Pulitzer? And 'ten' years ago...not nine, not eleven? And we're guessing you read him each day. And we're thinking that your assumption that the TV celebrity of his wife gives her some senior importance suggests you do more TV than book in your home, but we sort of knew that anyway.
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maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Wed 26 Mar, 2003 01:31 am
I do a lot of "book" in my home, and in my home, we don't consider "cartoons" "book", obviously things are different in yours.

My condolences.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Wed 26 Mar, 2003 04:27 am
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Wed 26 Mar, 2003 04:37 am
This artical is far too lengthy to print here but please read it in it's entirety .....

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2003/10/ma_273_01.html
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Wed 26 Mar, 2003 04:47 am
"Iraqis think Saddam is America's man," says a computer programmer from Basra named Saad, who now lives in Florida and asked that his last name not be revealed in order to protect family back home. "These people are not going to forget what has happened to them. In their eyes, it is genocide. And people do not forget genocide."


http://www.motherjones.com/magazine/ND01/iraq.html
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Wed 26 Mar, 2003 06:22 am
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Italgato
 
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Reply Wed 26 Mar, 2003 12:44 pm
I wonder if Gelisgesti has some sources which actually said that the campaign in Iraq would be easy and relatively painless. I have found no such sources.

Desert Strom took 43 days.

Today is the seventh day of the current campaign.

It may be that Gelisgesti doesnt know that the US campaign in 1991 was a campaign to liberate Kuwait--quite a different problem than the removal of the Saddam Regime by invading Baghdad.
It would appear that surrounding Baghdad after seven days of fighting would be a superb feat to all but the most pessimistic of viewers.
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Italgato
 
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Reply Wed 26 Mar, 2003 01:11 pm
Gelisgesti quotes a source on MAr. 25th which indicates that the US forces may be in a "quagmire".

It may be instructive to refer to a quote from Secy. of Defense Rumsfeld from "Bush at War" by Rumsfeld.

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"At his November 27 briefing to the news media, Rumsfeld took the position that this outcome had been certain all along. "I think that what was taking place in the earlier phases was exactly as planned" The suggestions that things had not gone well initially were uniformed. "It looked like nothing was happening. Indeed. it looked like we were in a "and he asked the press to join in--"all together now, quagmire." Reporters chuckled softly."
end of quote

It may be that the prediction of "quagmire" is, to put it mildly, premature. When the current offensive( which is much different qualitiatively, than Desert Storm which, it must be remembered took 43 days and was of a much different nature than the present campaign-liberation of Kuwait vis a vis Liberation of Badhdad) reaches 43 days, then it may be acceptable to talk about "quagmires". Before then, usage of the word would appear to be a product of wishful thinking and Arab propaganda.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Wed 26 Mar, 2003 02:59 pm
I am Cherokee, not Arab....... my people also were attacked and killed for our land and its resources. I'll bet you thought that was justified also.
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BoGoWo
 
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Reply Wed 26 Mar, 2003 07:02 pm
The "quagmire" was before the war began, now it's "quicksand"!
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ferrous
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2003 08:46 am
maxsdadeo wrote:
I do a lot of "book" in my home, and in my home, we don't consider "cartoons" "book", obviously things are different in yours.

My condolences.


Actually, I stopped reading the comics, when Berke Breathed stopped writing Bloom County. No more Opus...

As for Doonsbury, the novelty wore off, as we got older. Now his satire, seems that of predictable rhetoric. The guy just isn't funny, any longer. Time for fresh young minds, giving us satirical wit on todays events. Us old dogs, had our time, and it really is sad, that Trudeau is still trying to milk the laughs

Doonsbury, has definitly "Jumped the Shark."
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maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2003 08:59 am
exactly, ferrous.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2003 09:59 am
The "Quagmire" of Viet Nam was largely the product of massive third-country material support for the North Vietnamese. Saddam can count on no similar massive, ongoing replensihment and support from any third party. Viet Nam was a proxy war between the US and The Soviet Union. Iraq is in no way an analogous situation, rhetoric to the contrary not withstanding.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2003 10:26 am
Sounded in the reports last night as though the Arab countries are at least considering support for the Iraqi civilians. Reason: for the first time just about ever, the Saudi and other regimes find themselves in agreement with their people who are demanding intervention against the US.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2003 10:27 am
Should have said "reports on the BBC World Service."
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larry richette
 
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Reply Fri 28 Mar, 2003 01:22 pm
It is an invasion. Or maybe an attack. We are now no different from the Japanese who struck us at Pearl Harbor. This exercise of power is illegal, immoral, and not even in the interests of the United States in the short run. It will breed hostility and more terrorism. It will destroy our moral standing in the world community. It will not make us one iota safer.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Fri 28 Mar, 2003 02:32 pm
Agree, Larry. I just think our moral standing has already had it.
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