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Amnesty International slams US

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2005 06:34 am
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http://talkleft.com/new_archives/010965.html

Thursday :: June 02, 2005

ACLU to Get Abu Ghraib Torture Photos
We may finally get to the bottom of the Administration's "few bad apples" meme. The ACLU won another round in federal court today in its FOIA lawsuit.

A federal judge has ordered the Defense Department to turn over dozens of photographs and four movies depicting detainee abuse at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq as part of an ongoing lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties Union.

"These images may be ugly and shocking, but they depict how the torture was more than the actions of a few rogue soldiers," said Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the ACLU. "The American public deserves to know what is being done in our name. Perhaps after these and other photos are forced into the light of day, the government will at long last appoint an outside special counsel to investigate the torture and abuse of detainees."

Talk about chutzpah, the Administration invoked, of all things, the Geneva Conventions to argue against release.

Attorneys for the government had argued that turning over visual evidence of abuse would violate the United States's obligations under the Geneva Conventions, but the ACLU said that obscuring the faces and identifiable features of the detainees would erase any potential privacy concerns. The court agreed.

"It is indeed ironic that the government invoked the Geneva Conventions as a basis for withholding these photographs," said Amrit Singh, a staff attorney at the ACLU. "Had the government genuinely adhered to its obligations under these Conventions, it could have prevented the widespread abuse of detainees held in its custody in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay."

The Government has until June 30 to comply. The photos and some videos were originally made by SPC Joseph Darby, who pleaded guilty and cooperated against other Abu Ghraib guards.

The court order filed late yesterday requires the government by June 30 to reprocess and redact 144 detainee abuse photographs provided by Sergeant Joseph Darby to the Army's Criminal Investigation Command. The order also requires the government to provide the court with an estimate of the length of time it will take to reprocess and redact four movies included as part of the Darby collection by June 10. The decision comes after the court privately viewed eight of the images from the Darby collection to determine whether the photographs should be released under the FOIA. The ACLU expects redacted versions of the photographs to be released within the next six weeks.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2005 06:45 am
What does the ACLU need the pictures for?
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revel
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2005 06:52 am
Because pictures are louder than words to prove just how this was more than just a few bad apples to the public. Like the article said, we have a right to know what the military is doing in our name.
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Atkins
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2005 07:02 am
What took them so long?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2005 07:05 am
What will the result be? Do you suppose there are actually people left that are not aware of what happened? What will the result be of posting more pictures of the same?

It's just more fuel on an already raging fire.
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2005 07:10 am
McGentrix wrote:
What will the result be? Do you suppose there are actually people left that are not aware of what happened? What will the result be of posting more pictures of the same?

It's just more fuel on an already raging fire.

A reasonable hope would be that all the people responsible are held to account. Because the administration refuses to be open and honest about its dealings we are left with the ACLU, the Red Cross and Amnesty International to ferret out what really happened and confirm what is true or not.

This has nothing to do with people being aware of the pictures.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2005 07:14 am
McGentrix wrote:
What will the result be? Do you suppose there are actually people left that are not aware of what happened? What will the result be of posting more pictures of the same?

It's just more fuel on an already raging fire.


McG's plan is to bury the truth. That's his modus operandi, his raison d'etre. This is all very nixonish. Is this congenital or genetic for extreme right wingers?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2005 07:31 am
parados wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
What will the result be? Do you suppose there are actually people left that are not aware of what happened? What will the result be of posting more pictures of the same?

It's just more fuel on an already raging fire.

A reasonable hope would be that all the people responsible are held to account. Because the administration refuses to be open and honest about its dealings we are left with the ACLU, the Red Cross and Amnesty International to ferret out what really happened and confirm what is true or not.

This has nothing to do with people being aware of the pictures.


You mean that the people you wish were accountable were held accountable, right?

So far, every person involved has been investigated and has been , are being, or will be punished for their actions. These investigations were going on before the pictures were even distributed.

The witch hunt for some higher authority will not be successful as there is nothing to be found.
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Atkins
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2005 07:35 am
When the Republicans investigate themselves, of course, they find laundered sheets.
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revel
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2005 08:10 am
Yea, I know, McG, military official are just so quick to apply swift justice.


http://207.44.245.159/article8252.htm



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The Army reports cited "credible information" that four military interrogators assaulted Mr. Dilawar and another Afghan prisoner with "kicks to the groin and leg, shoving or slamming him into walls/table, forcing the detainee to maintain painful, contorted body positions during interview and forcing water into his mouth until he could not breathe."

American military officials in Afghanistan initially said the deaths of Mr. Habibullah, in an isolation cell on Dec. 4, 2002, and Mr. Dilawar, in another such cell six days later, were from natural causes. Lt. Gen. Daniel K. McNeill, the American commander of allied forces in Afghanistan at the time, denied then that prisoners had been chained to the ceiling or that conditions at Bagram endangered the lives of prisoners.

But after an investigation by The New York Times, the Army acknowledged that the deaths were homicides. Last fall, Army investigators implicated 28 soldiers and reservists and recommended that they face criminal charges, including negligent homicide.

But so far only Private Brand, a military policeman from the 377th Military Police Company, an Army Reserve unit based in Cincinnati, and Sgt. James P. Boland, from the same unit, have been charged.

The charges against Sergeant Boland for assault and other crimes were announced last summer, and those against Private Brand are spelled out in Army charge sheets from hearings on Jan. 4 and Feb. 3 in Fort Bliss, Tex.


If it wasn't for the NYT, they probably would have got away with it. Who knows what else they get away with.
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JTT
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2005 08:26 am
revel wrote:
Yea, I know, McG, military official are just so quick to apply swift justice.


You wanna see swift, Revel, and justice, look at this.

Why doesn't georgeob1, Rayban, Lash, Baldimo, Whooda, etc. ever address these disturbing past patterns?



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http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20031022/SRTIGERFORCE/110200129

Inquiry ended without justice
Army substantiated numerous charges - then dropped case of Vietnam war crimes

By MICHAEL D. SALLAH and MITCH WEISS
BLADE STAFF WRITERS
c THE BLADE, 2003

Seven years after leaving Vietnam, James Barnett broke down.

Haunted by the killing of civilians, the former Tiger Force sergeant invited Army investigators to his home to offer a surprise confession.

He admitted to shooting a young, unarmed mother. He admitted to his platoon's cruel treatment of villagers.

He asked for immunity from prosecution, but in the end, he never needed the legal protection.

No one would.

Though the Army substantiated 20 war crimes by 18 Tiger Force soldiers committed in 1967 - with numerous eyewitnesses - no charges were filed.

An investigation that should have brought justice to the longest series of atrocities by a U.S. fighting unit in Vietnam reached the Pentagon and White House but never a court of law - or the American public.

Instead, the case was hidden in the Army's archives, and key suspects were allowed to continue their military careers.

By the time the investigation was over, a justice system that promised to prosecute war criminals ended up protecting them.

At every turn, the system failed.

An eight-month investigation by The Blade, based on thousands of military records and interviews, shows:


Commanders knew of the platoon's atrocities in 1967 but refused to investigate.


Soldiers went to Army commanders in 1967 to complain about the killing of civilians, but their pleas were ignored.


Army investigators learned about the atrocities in February, 1971, but took a year to interview witnesses.


Two Army investigators pretended to investigate while encouraging soldiers to keep quiet so they wouldn't be prosecuted.


By the time the investigation was completed in June, 1975, six key suspects were allowed to leave the Army - escaping the reach of military prosecutors.

When the Army's final report reached commanders in 1975 for possible prosecution against four remaining suspects, investigators gave inaccurate and at times, incomplete information.

In three cases in which the final report accused people of "murder," commanders took no action.

Investigators found that five other soldiers carried out atrocities, but their names were never mentioned in the final report.

Four military legal experts who reviewed the report for The Blade questioned why the case was closed so abruptly.

"There should have been a [military grand jury] investigation of some kind done on this," said retired Lt. Col. H. Wayne Elliott, a former Army law professor. "I just can't believe this wasn't a pretty high profile thing in the Pentagon."



41/2 year investigation by Army began in 1971


In a story that has never been told, the elite platoon torched villages, executed prisoners, and slaughtered an untold number of unarmed civilians between May and November, 1967, according to Army records.

In recent interviews with The Blade, former platoon members say hundreds may have been killed - in violation of military law and the 1949 Geneva Conventions.

The volunteer, 45-man unit from the 101st Airborne - created in 1965 to find the enemy in the jungles - was sent to South Vietnam's Central Highlands to help stop the North Vietnamese from taking over the region.

But as the war intensified, soldiers in the platoon began to indiscriminately kill villagers.

The atrocities were kept secret until 1971, when the Army began an investigation that lasted 41/2 years - leading agents to 63 cities in the United States, Germany, Korea, and the Philippines.

More than three decades later, Army spokesman Joe Burlas said he couldn't explain the breakdowns in the longest war-crime case from Vietnam.

But one thing is clear: evidence of the atrocities reached the top levels of government.

Summaries of the Tiger Force case were forwarded in 1973 to President Richard Nixon's White House and the offices of Secretary of Defense James Schlesinger and Secretary of the Army Howard "Bo" Callaway, according to National Archives records.

Through his secretary, Mr. Schlesinger declined to comment. Mr. Callaway said he didn't remember the investigation.

Beyond the military hierarchy, there was another safeguard in place where the case could be heard.

A special U.S. panel was created in the wake of the 1968 My Lai Massacre - the killing of about 500 Vietnamese civilians by an Army unit - to review war-crime cases to prevent cover-ups.

But the panel, known informally as the Working War Crimes Group and consisting of six military officers, never met, according to four members.

More than 2,000 pages of testimony - including the 1974 confession of former platoon Sergeant Barnett - were concealed in the Army's archives for years.

Mr. Barnett, who died in 2001, summed up his platoon's actions to investigators when they visited his Tennessee home: "Most of those incidents could be classified as war crimes today."

Commanders failed to halt the atrocities
Thirty-six years ago, Capt. Carl James paid a surprise visit to the Song Ve Valley.

He expected to meet the new platoon leader to talk about supplies but instead found him standing over the corpse of an elderly farmer.

There were no weapons or enemy fire in the area.

He asked Lt. James Hawkins why he killed the unarmed man, Mr. James recalled in a recent interview.

But the platoon leader could not provide an answer.

Mr. James said he admonished the lieutenant that day in July, 1967, but never filed a complaint as required by military law.

"I thought I took care of the problem by warning him," Mr. James said.

His reluctance to notify Army officials was one of the first known failures by commanders to investigate Tiger Force's practices - and stop the killing.

Time and again, battalion leaders knew of the atrocities but failed to end them.

For example:



Harold Austin, the former battalion commander who oversaw Tiger Force, said in a recent interview his headquarters received reports that soldiers were mutilating the bodies of dead Vietnamese in early 1967, but no investigation was conducted.


Lt. Donald Wood and Sgt. Gerald Bruner repeatedly complained to superiors in August, 1967 about Tiger Force soldiers killing civilians, according to witness statements. But there were no investigations.


Capt. Robert Morin told Army officials he attended an officers' party in 1967 where several officers joked about Tiger Force soldiers drowning a farmer in the Song Ve River. But again, no investigation.

Mr. Hawkins said in a recent interview he doesn't recall being reprimanded in the Song Ve Valley for killing an elderly farmer but admitted to shooting civilians who refused to move to relocation camps.

Most commanders didn't want to pursue an investigation of Tiger Force because they feared turning up war crimes, former battalion surgeon Bradford Mutchler told investigators in 1975.

"It was something that you just kept trying to sweep under the rug and forget because you really didn't want to know if it was true or not."
Investigators didn't follow their own rules
It began with a tip in 1971: A Tiger Force soldier had decapitated a Vietnamese baby.

The statement by former Sgt. Gary Coy would spark an Army investigation that would last until 1975.

Led by a field agent in Los Angeles, the case eventually utilized more than 100 agents to interview 137 people. In the years after the 1968 My Lai massacre, military officials promised to take war crimes seriously.

But an inspection of thousands of records of the Tiger Force case shows agents failed to follow their own rules.

They were supposed to investigate as soon as a complaint was filed. They were supposed to monitor key suspects. They were supposed to track down victims.

Those procedures were ignored, seriously undermining an investigation that would turn up some of the worst atrocities of the war.

At least six suspects were allowed to leave the Army during the investigation, escaping possible court-martials. The Army could have stopped their discharges while the case was pending. Three other suspects died in battle.

While suspects were allowed to leave the Army, so were witnesses. Because it took investigators a year to act on Mr. Coy's complaint, 11 soldiers were discharged and could not be forced to testify.

Other witnesses included Vietnamese civilians. But U.S. investigators failed to go to South Vietnam to track down witnesses - a practice in such cases, according to records at the National Archives.

Thirty-six years later, The Blade went to Vietnam and found 11 villagers who knew precise details of three Tiger Force atrocities.

Even when soldiers provided clear details of crimes, investigators failed to pursue the leads.

When Mr. Barnett invited investigators into his home in 1974, the former sergeant admitted to killing a mother of a 6-month-old - but said it was on the orders of his team leader, Sgt. Harold Trout.

He said he shot her with a rifle after she was given a sedative by a medic and escorted into a bunker by Sergeant Trout.

When the sergeant and woman emerged from the shelter, Mr. Barnett said, he was told by his team leader "to grease her," he told investigators.

"I didn't feel right about it," he said, "but I thought I was doing my job when I did it. It was, to me, like any other day in Vietnam."

He identified another witness, but investigators failed to question the soldier about the case, records show. Sergeant Trout refused to talk to investigators in 1973 and declined recently to talk to The Blade. The war "happened a long time ago," he said, "and there's nothing I'd really want to say now."

Beyond the breakdowns, another aspect of the case raises troubling questions about whether Army agents went out of their way to protect soldiers.

Two former Tiger Force soldiers - including a onetime murder suspect - said in recent interviews they were encouraged by investigators not to say anything - clear violations of military law.

Dan Clint, who was not a war-crime suspect, told The Blade he was contacted for a second interview during the investigation by agent Robert DeMario.

"He said, `Hey, just do me a favor. Say that you don't remember anything, so I can get the thing over with,'" Mr. Clint said.

And he obliged the agent. During his interview with Mr. DeMario on Jan. 17, 1974, Mr. Clint said he didn't see any war crimes.

But that wasn't true.

In a recent interview with The Blade, he said a Tiger Force sergeant raped a villager, and soldiers shot civilians and prisoners who posed no threat. "The killings were unrestrained," he said.

Mr. DeMario died in September, 1984.

The other former platoon soldier who said he was told not to report any war crimes was William Doyle. The former sergeant and murder suspect in the investigation said he took the agent's advice.

Records show he was interviewed on Feb. 17, 1975, in St. Petersburg, Fla., and answered "no comment" to the question of whether he knew about crimes by Tiger Force soldiers.

But in a recent interview, he said he not only witnessed the killing of unarmed villagers but committed them.

"If you wanted to pull the trigger, you pulled the trigger. If you wanted to burn a village down, you burned it down. You do whatever you wanted to do. Who's going to say anything to you?"

He refused to give the name of the investigator who told him to stay quiet. "He tipped me off to what was going on, what they were after, and what they were trying to do,'' said Mr. Doyle, now 70 and living in Missouri.

Final report cast doubt on key cases
Despite problems in the investigation, Army agents substantiated 20 war crimes, including murders.

That means there was enough evidence to show probable cause in those cases - critical to prosecution.

But investigators gave a different version of events to commanders.

In the 1975 final report for possible prosecution, lead investigator Gustav Apsey presented incomplete or inaccurate information about the crimes - casting doubt on key cases.

For example, no one disputed that Tiger Force soldiers fired on 10 elderly farmers in the Song Ve Valley in July, 1967.

The only debate among the four soldiers who talked to investigators was how many farmers were struck by bullets.

But in the report, Mr. Apsey inexplicably said he couldn't prove the atrocity took place.

Missing from his report were the sworn statements of four soldiers who were eyewitnesses to the event.

Spec. William Carpenter: "We killed about 10 of the farmers, then stopped firing."

Sgt. Forrest Miller: "We had received no incoming fire from the village and the people in the field, about 10 persons both male and females, were shot."

The statements of the other two were basically the same: The farmers were shot without warning.

In another major flaw in the case, Mr. Apsey concluded that unidentified soldiers were involved in the attack. But that was incorrect: Lt. James Hawkins was identified by two soldiers as leading the assault.

In fact, one said the lieutenant gave the order to fire on the farmers.

In a recent interview with The Blade, Mr. Hawkins admitted he ordered the shootings.

He claimed the farmers should have been in a relocation camp and not a farm field.

"Anything in [that area] was game. If it was living, it was subject to be eliminated."

Other cases in the final report contained inaccurate information.

Investigators interviewed four soldiers who witnessed the slaughter of women and children in three underground bunkers near Chu Lai, but the final report provided misleading information.

In that report, Mr. Apsey wrote that he didn't know whether those people killed were combatants.

But every soldier who witnessed the event told investigators the people hiding in the bunkers included women and children, and no one was carrying weapons.

One witness, former platoon Pvt. Ken Kerney, said in a sworn statement there "were no signs the people killed were linked to the enemy."

He said he watched as the children ran into the bunkers but never brought an interpreter to the entrances to order them out.

In Army records of the incident - not mentioned in the final report - Private Kerney told investigators that Tiger Force was ordered to go to the village.

As platoon members arrived, "all the people ran into the bunkers. No interpreter was available to talk to the people. But Tiger Force knew what to do."

They hurled grenades in the openings.

A search later of the bunkers "failed to show any sign of Viet Cong" activities or other links with the enemy.

Two other war-crime allegations substantiated by Army investigators were never mentioned in the final report: a shooting attack on several unarmed villagers near Chu Lai, and the killing of two partially blind men in the Song Ve Valley.

In a recent interview, Mr. Apsey said he couldn't explain why the report contained inaccurate information.

"When I think about it now, it bothers me. I screwed up. I don't know what else to say," he said. The killing of women and children in the bunkers was "a war crime. There's no doubt about it. I don't know why I wrote what I did."

He said he didn't try to compromise the investigation. "I would never have done that," he said.

He said prosecutors would have had difficulty pressing charges in most of the war crimes because too much time had lapsed and the statute of limitations had expired in some cases.

But records show that witnesses were still available to testify in 1975, and in murder cases, there is no statute of limitations.

'Political timing' cited in breakdown of probe
Though the final report contained inaccuracies, Mr. Apsey presented three murder cases to commanders for possible prosecution - one naming Tiger Force commander James Hawkins.

But even then, no charges were filed.

Not even an Article 32 hearing - the equivalent of a military grand jury - was held, the first step toward a court marital.

In the final report, Mr. Apsey wrote:



Platoon leader Lt. James Hawkins "murdered an unarmed elderly Vietnamese man by shooting him in the head."


Team leader Sgt. Harold Trout "murdered an unarmed wounded Vietnamese male by shooting him several times with a caliber .45 pistol."


Former platoon Pvt. James Cogan "executed an old unarmed Vietnamese male by shooting him twice in the head with a caliber .45."

Mr. Cogan was discharged from the military by the time the final report was filed in 1975, and like so many other suspects, he was outside the jurisdiction of a military court.

Under military rules, it's up to commanding generals of each soldier to decide whether to prosecute.

Army spokesman Joe Burlas said that's what happened in this case. Commanders chose not to press charges based on the evidence.

But Mr. Hawkins said that's not what happened to him.

He said his case was decided by powers far beyond his commander, Maj. Gen. William Maddox.

In a recent interview, Mr. Hawkins said he was summoned to the Pentagon in November, 1975 - five months after the final report was completed. By his side was General Maddox.

He said they were presented a legal "brief" that stated the case was closed. He doesn't remember who showed him the document but said he recalled the contents.

"What they said was, `Yep, there's wrongdoing there, and we know about it. But basically it's not ... in the best interest of this, that, and the other to try to pursue this.' It seemed like that was the conclusion of the thing," he said.

He said the Tiger Force investigation was "a big deal, but it was kept awful quiet. This was a hot potato. See, this was after [My Lai], and the Army certainly didn't want to go through the publicity thing."

General Maddox died in 2001.

Former Sergeant Trout refused to comment on his case.

Regardless of who decided not to press charges, Mr. Burlas said the murder cases would have been difficult to prosecute for several reasons, including a lack of access to crime scenes and physical evidence.

But for several years leading to the final report, investigators could have traveled to the crime scenes in South Vietnam and interviewed witnesses.

In addition, physical evidence, such as a corpse or weapon, is not essential in these types of cases, according to military legal experts.

The lead investigator, Mr. Apsey, now retired and living in Washington state, said he doesn't know why commanders never filed charges against Mr. Trout and Mr. Hawkins.

He said part of the reason may have been because the final report was filed two years after the peace treaty was signed between the United States and North Vietnam. The report was also completed two months after the collapse of South Vietnam.

"I knew this damn thing wasn't going to go anywhere," he said. "The point is, the political timing was wrong."

Mr. Apsey said throughout his investigation his superiors were concerned about the media discovering the Tiger Force case.

"Let me tell you this: At the time, it was considered a class-one urgency," said Mr. Apsey, who added that field agents were required to interview witnesses within 24 hours of being notified.

The four experts who reviewed the final report for The Blade said the Army may have been able to successfully press charges in some allegations that were substantiated, but others would have been difficult.

William Eckhardt, the lead prosecutor in the My Lai case, said the Army may have been reluctant to bring such a case to court because of the publicity.

"Maybe their thinking was they didn't want any more My Lais," he said, adding that even that case was a challenge to prosecute because of reluctance of soldiers to testify.

"If you look at the incredible struggle that the government went through with My Lai, the fact that some of this wasn't pursued doesn't surprise me.''

But it didn't stop the Army from pressing charges in other atrocities.

Of the Army's 242 war-crimes investigations in Vietnam, a third were substantiated, leading to 21 convictions of charges ranging from beating prisoners to murdering civilians, according to a review of records at the National Archives.

Ten soldiers received prison terms ranging from 30 days to 20 years, though many sentences were later reduced.

But in the case of Tiger Force, there was no punishment. In fact, three suspects were later promoted.

Captain James, who was accused of failing to report a war crime, became a major. Mr. Trout left the Army in 1985 as a sergeant major.

Mr. Hawkins was promoted to major and went on to serve as a civilian flight instructor at Fort Rucker, Ala., after retiring in 1978.
White House kept tabs on investigation
Much is still unknown about the Tiger Force investigation.

Dozens of case records are missing from the National Archives, and the Army refuses to release its own reports, citing privacy rights of the former soldiers.

What is known is that summaries of the investigation were sent to the White House between 1971 and 1973, records show.

While President Nixon was in office, his chief counsel, John Dean, ordered the Army in May, 1971, to file weekly updates on the status of war-crime investigations - 10 cases including Tiger Force. By 1973, the reports were sent monthly.

A memo on March 2, 1973, gives a description of the case, with five suspects and other "unidentified members of Tiger Force" under investigation for crimes ranging from murder to body mutilation.

The same document was routed to the secretary of defense's office from the secretary of the Army's office.

But in June, 1973 - five months after the U.S. pullout - the Army stopped sending updates of cases to the White House.

A memo from Maj. Gen. DeWitt Smith to other Army officials noted the "news media and public interest in the subject have waned with the U.S. disengagement in Vietnam."

He went on to state the regular sending of reports "unnecessarily continues to highlight the problem monthly."

Mr. Dean, who left the White House in April, 1973, said in a recent interview he didn't recall the Tiger Force case but was not surprised the investigation was dropped. "The government doesn't like ugly stories," he said.

Former Secretary of the Army Howard "Bo" Callaway also said he did not recall the case but said he would have taken the allegations "very seriously."

"I guarantee you there'd be no sweeping under the rug."

With the Tiger Force investigation still in progress, Gerald Ford took over the presidency after the resignation of Richard Nixon in August, 1974.

Within five months, there was only one ongoing war-crime case: Tiger Force.

At the time, President Ford was urging the American public to "heal the wounds of Vietnam."

In April, 1975, North Vietnam captured Saigon, reuniting the country. By November, the Tiger Force case was closed.

A spokesman for former President Ford said he declined to comment on atrocities in the Vietnam War.

Dr. David Anderson, a Vietnam veteran who edited the book, Facing My Lai, said a new political era had begun by 1975, with economic issues overshadowing the war. "No one wanted to hear about war crimes then," he said. "It would have been embarrassing."
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revel
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jun, 2005 07:16 am
The vietnam era is still such an open wound for those who lived during that time that I am not really too comfortable talking about it. Besides I wasn't born until 1965 so it not something that I was really old enough to understand while it was going on.

Judging by that article and remembering reading recently about John Kerry's speech to congress, it does as if we are repeating patterns from time into this time of trying to cover things up.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jun, 2005 08:03 am
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Administration's Amnesty Amnesia

By Dana Milbank

Sunday, June 5, 2005; Page A04

The folks at Amnesty International are practically begging for a one-way ticket to Gitmo. After the human rights group issued a report late last month calling the U.S. detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, "the gulag of our times," top officials raced to condemn Amnesty.

President Bush: "It's absurd. It's an absurd allegation."


Vice President Cheney: "I don't take them seriously. . . . Frankly, I was offended by it."

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld: "Reprehensible . . . cannot be excused."

Funny -- these officials had a different view of Amnesty when it was criticizing other countries.

Rumsfeld repeatedly cited Amnesty when he was making the case against Saddam Hussein, urging "a careful reading of Amnesty International" and saying that according to "Amnesty International's description of what they know has gone on, it's not a happy picture."

The White House often cited Amnesty to make the case for war in Iraq, using the group's allegations that Iraq executed dozens of women accused of prostitution, decapitated victims and displayed their heads, tortured political opponents and raped detainees' relatives, gouged out eyes, and used electric shocks.

Regarding Fidel Castro's Cuba, meanwhile, the White House joined Amnesty and other groups in condemning Castro's "callous disregard for due process."

And the State Department's most recent annual report on worldwide human rights abuses cites Amnesty's findings dozens of times.

"This administration eagerly cites Amnesty International research when we criticize Cuba and extensively quoted our criticism of the violations in Iraq under Saddam Hussein in the run-up to the war," protested William F. Schulz, executive director of Amnesty International USA.

But Schulz isn't protesting too much. In the past week, traffic on Amnesty's Web site has gone up sixfold, donations have quintupled and new memberships have doubled.



There is none so blind as he who will not see.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jun, 2005 09:29 am
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Waging peace for humanity

Humanity, meet your oppressor

On 6/3/05, the Bush administration lacked the courage to face its accuser directly. Jim Lehrer of Newshour on PBS moderated a discussion between Amnesty International and the Bush administration. The topic was Amnesty's recent allegations concerning prisoner abuse in the American version of Stalin's Gulag Archipelago. Amnesty sent William Schulz, their executive director in the United States. Lehrer invited the Pentagon to send a representative. Instead, they sent their proxy, Neil Livingston, CEO of Global Options, a security firm with expertise on the subject of terrorism. Competing emotions swelled within me as I watched Schulz and Livingston speak. Elation and anger wrestled violently as they struggled to become my predominant emotion.


With clinical detachment, Livingston gave a typical Neocon justification for the "Gulag of our Times" in Guantanamo Bay and other locations. Taking umbrage to Amnesty's gall in leveling charges of human rights abuses against the morally superior United States; he coolly stated that Guantanamo was not even remotely similar to the Gulags under Stalin. Holding the Neocon line, he denied that there was a problem with the US system of detention in the "war on terror". He stated that the men confined in Cuba were dangerous terrorists, and therefore were not entitled to rights afforded under the Geneva Convention. He admitted that there were some abuses, but minimized them, stating that they were rare and minor. Livingston further justified the American Gulag with the fact that we are at "war" and cannot risk freeing these prisoners until the "war" is over.


My joy and hope surged as Schulz cast a very different light on the situation. He reminded viewers that the US military has committed 27 homicides throughout its network of prisons, including Guantanamo. Schulz exposed the fact that prisoners in the US Gulag system are not confirmed terrorists because they have had no access to an objective tribunal to rule on their culpability. He also spoke of the "ghost detainees" who have disappeared, the US practice of transferring prisoners to nations which condone torture, and the fact that most of the prisoners in the "war on terror" have been held without formal charges for over two years.


Pointing out that the US is in direct violation of the Geneva Convention, he defended Amnesty's report condemning US human rights abuses. He also addressed Irene Kahn's characterization of Guantanamo as the "Gulag of our Times". Explaining that while it was not a direct analogy, Shulz affirmed that there are many similarities between Stalin's Gulag Archipelago, and the terrorist prison network of the US. As Schulz declared, Irene Khan, the London-based director of Amnesty International, is a native of Bangladesh. Khan and Amnesty represent the viewpoints of the international community, and their condemnation of the war crimes of the US government is not a politically-motivated attack. Schulz conveyed that Amnesty applies the "gold standard" of respect for human rights to each nation which it investigates. According to Schulz, the vehement denials of wrongdoing by Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld closely resembled those of countries such as Iran and North Korea , members of Bush's so-called "Axis of Evil".

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http://www.crooksandliars.com/stories/2005/06/04/wagingPeaceForHumanity.html
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revel
 
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/05/AR2005060500438.html

Biden: U.S. Needs to Close Cuba Prison

The Associated Press
Sunday, June 5, 2005; 11:45 AM

WASHINGTON -- A leading Senate Democrat said Sunday the United States needs to move toward shutting down the military prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

"This has become the greatest propaganda tool that exists for recruiting of terrorists around the world. And it is unnecessary to be in that position," said Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del.


A Pentagon report released Friday detailed incidents in which U.S. guards at Guantanamo desecrated the Quran. Last month, Amnesty International called the detention center for alleged terrorists "the gulag of our time," a charge Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld dismissed as "reprehensible."

The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, GOP Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, plans hearings this month on the treatment of foreign terrorism suspects at the prison camp.

Biden, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, proposed that an independent commission take a look at Guantanamo and make recommendations.

"But the end result is, I think we should end up shutting it down, moving those prisoners," he told ABC's "This Week."

"Those that we have reason to keep, keep. And those we don't, let go."

He added, "I think more Americans are in jeopardy as a consequence of the perception that exists worldwide with its existence than if there were no Gitmo."

There are about 540 detainees at Guantanamo Bay. Some have been there more than three years without being charged with a crime. Most were captured on the battlefields of Afghanistan in 2001 and 2002 and were sent to Guantanamo Bay in hope of extracting useful intelligence about the al-Qaida terrorist network
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Specter to Push for Foreign Detainee Rules

By JESSE J. HOLLAND
The Associated Press
Saturday, June 4, 2005; 4:34 PM



WASHINGTON -- The continuing uproar over U.S. treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib has a top Senate Republican looking at the need to clarify in law the rights of foreign detainees.

On the heels of Amnesty International calling the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, "the gulag of our time," Senate Judiciary Committee chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., will hold hearings this month on the treatment of foreign terrorism suspects there.

Earlier this week Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld described Amnesty's characterization as "reprehensible."

Late Friday, the Pentagon for the first time confirmed several incidents in which the Quran had been mishandled at Guantanamo Bay prison. The incidents included a soldier deliberately kicking the Muslim holy book, an interrogator stepping on a Quran, and a guard urinating near an air vent splashing urine on a detainee and his Quran.

The Pentagon is working on new guidelines for handling people captured during wartime, including an explicit ban on inhumane treatment. The 142-page draft document is being written by the office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and is not intended to set policy but rather to provide the military with guidance to implement detainee policies set by civilian authorities.

Specter, according to an aide, is in the preliminary stages of drafting a bill to establish procedures for detentions and exploring the possibility of making the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Court the venue for challenging them.

Amnesty International has called on the United States to close its Guantanamo prison, where about 540 men are being held on suspicion they have links to Afghanistan's ousted Taliban regime or Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida terror network.

While the human rights watchdog worries about Congress putting into law "enemy combatant" status, which it says is a category of prisoner not sanctioned by international and humanitarian treaties, it applauded Specter for looking into the issue.

"Any kind of sunshine would be a good antiseptic for this situation," said Jumana Musa, advocacy director for human rights and international justice at Washington-based Amnesty International USA.

Specter's hearing will focus on the detention of enemy combatants at both Guantanamo and in the United States, and whether trying them before military tribunals provides them adequate due process, the senator's aide said.

Witnesses from the Justice Department and Defense Department are expected to be called to testify, the aide said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the hearing hasn't been announced.

The Bush administration created the detainee category of "enemy combatant" after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York and Washington and applied it to members or associates of al-Qaida and the Taliban.

The administration argues that the Geneva Conventions do not apply to suspected members of al-Qaida _ a position spelled out in a January 2002 memo to President Bush from then-White House counsel Alberto Gonzales, who is now attorney general.

The Guantanamo operation, which began in January 2002 with the arrival of prisoners captured in Afghanistan, has been under widespread criticism. So far, only four detainees there have been charged with a crime, and their military trials have been stalled because of appeals in U.S. courts.

The problems at Guantanamo were compounded by the April 2004 revelations about mistreatment of Iraqis at the Abu Ghraib prison outside of Baghdad. Photographs taken by U.S. military personnel and published around the world depicted scenes of sexual humiliation and physical abuse.

So far, only two U.S. citizens have been designated as enemy combatants.

Jose Padilla, a former gang member who was born in Brooklyn, N.Y., has been held since 2002 without being charged.

Louisiana native Yaser Hamdi was released in October after the Justice Department said he no longer posed a threat to the United States and no longer had any intelligence value. Hamdi, who was captured on the battlefield in Afghanistan in 2001, gave up his American citizenship and returned to his family in Saudi Arabia as conditions of his release.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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mcst6079 wrote:



there is nothing wrong with hating to see a wrong done. but the problem is fixated on one point of view, unable to see the bigger picture. Amnesty International uses the word Gulag, we should all condemn this and see it for what it is. I am not saying america is always right or never does anything wrong, but just put it in perspective in the world view. To fixate only on a few problems that might exist as if its a gulag, shows that your view is colored politically. Thats why many americans that are middle of the road get dismayed by this kind of talk, seems america can not do anything right, if we make one mistake, I can always count on the so called messengers to jump on it (unless its a democrat in office) and denounce us. With citizens like this, who needs enemies. You do have the right to criticize everything america does, but you also have to accept the consequences of how you are viewed when done during war time and seems you are taking the view of anti war to the point of many as anti american.


Again, I will note that to be fair to human rights groups like AI they cannot be seen as providing a free pass to the US, if they are to have any influence at all on the rest of the world.

The despotic leaders of such nations as Cuba, North Korea, Myanmar, China, Saudi Arabia, etc have proven themselves masterful at manipulating the nationalism, envy, resentment, and pride of their peoples towards shifting the spotlight from their own oppression to the canard of the Big Bad America.

We make a mistake when we think that the oppressed masses throughout the world are just waiting for the right cue to rise up and overthrow their oppressors. Unfortunately, this isn't the case. Long and systematic brutality and propaganda can work their foul wonders on a great many people, and the old bait and switch tactic of stirring up anti-Americanism within an oppressed people has proven quite effective.

It's pretty damned close to insanity when someone living under the yoke of a brutal dictatorship sees the US, rather than the local despot, as not only the more appropriate target for suicide attacks, but, somehow, the more vulnerable.

In any case, this is the world in which human rights organizations operate.
I'm all for them including the US in their reports, not only because it lends them credibility throughout the world but because we are hardly incapable of human rights violations.

However, when their officials succumb to their own personal brands of anti-Americanism and make outrageous comparisons between Gitmo and the Soviet Gulag, they go too far.

Once again the promise of America seems to generate as much ill feelings as it's failures. For those who desperately look to America as a pure beacon of liberty and human rights, any departure from the path seems to evoke anger as well as disappointment. The fact that Americans are, perhaps, too proud of their nation's accomplishments and not cognizant enough of its failings creates an opportunity for fairly petty human emotions to soil the landscape.

I'm not sure if it is irony or a modern perversion of reality that human rights organizations (among many other groups) are more than capable of recognizing the need to weigh the value of rhetoric against that of even minimal influence when it comes to honest to God dictators, but throw all caution to the wind when it comes to the US, arguably the most effective champion of human rights on the planet.

Any debate on whether or not Gitmo was the moral equivalent of the Soviet Gulag would only endure on the facts with a load of morons who are incapable of connecting to reality. Instead, we find reasonably intelligent people arguing that the analogy, if not perfect, is apt. Why this is so is, like most things, complex, but a major reason is that America's loudest critics are often its greatest fans.

(Then, of course, there are the Liberal jackasses who just find it cool to criticize the US.)

But back to mcst6079's post (Good God, change your moniker!):

While hyperbole is sometimes useful to make a point, that is only the case when it is acknowledged to be hyperbole. In fact, one might argue that outrageously ridiculous claims like Gitmo is the Gulag of our times is not actually hyperbole because the outrageous exaggeration involved is not a rhetorical device but a product of warped perception.

The danger in groups like AI making these ridiculous claims is not that they will anger the Left or the Right, but that they will lose credibility with the Center, and it is fairly clear that this is what has happened with mcst.
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Despite highly publicized charges of U.S. mistreatment of prisoners at Guantanamo, the head of the Amnesty International USA said on Sunday the group doesn't "know for sure" that the military is running a "gulag."

Executive Director William Schulz said Amnesty, often cited worldwide for documenting human rights abuses, also did not know whether Secretary Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld approved severe torture methods such as beatings and starvation.


Schulz recently dubbed Rumsfeld an "apparent high-level architect of torture" in asserting he approved interrogation methods that violated international law.

"It would be fascinating to find out. I have no idea," Schulz told "Fox News Sunday."

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Brand X
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jun, 2005 05:32 pm
Like the Newsweek retraction...too late the damage is already done.
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parados
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jun, 2005 05:40 pm
Brand X wrote:
Like the Newsweek retraction...too late the damage is already done.

Amnesty International isn't given access to most of the places that they report on. They are left to use the stories of those that are no longer there. Certainly AI doesn't have access to Cuban or Saudi jails, but it doesn't stop them from reporting what they think is going on based on what they can learn from ex detainees and relatives.

I think AI has to accept stories as true in spite of any government denials or they would never report on anything since all govts deny they are abusing civil rights.
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