LONDON In coordinated broadsides from London and Washington, Amnesty International accused the Bush administration of condoning "atrocious" human rights violations, thereby diminishing its moral authority and setting a global example encouraging abuse by other nations.
In a string of accusations introducing the organization's annual report in London on Wednesday, Amnesty cited the abuse of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, the detention of prisoners at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and the so-called rendition of prisoners to countries known to practice torture. It said that all this constituted evidence that the United States "thumbs its nose at the rule of law and human rights."
Defending its human rights record as "leading the way," the White House dismissed the accusations as ridiculous and unfounded.
Irene Khan, Amnesty's secretary general, labeled the U.S. detention facility at Guantánamo Bay, where more than 500 prisoners from about 40 countries are being held, as "the gulag of our times."
In Washington, William Schulz, Amnesty's executive director, urged President George W. Bush to press for a full investigation of what he called the "atrocious human rights violations at Abu Ghraib and other detention centers."
Schulz continued:
"When the U.S. government calls upon foreign leaders to bring to justice those who commit or authorize human rights violations in their own countries, why should those foreign leaders listen?
"And if the U.S. government does not abide by the same standards of justice, what shred of moral authority will we retain to pressure other governments to diminish abuses?"
Schulz called for Congress to appoint "a truly impartial and independent commission to investigate the masterminds of the atrocious human rights violations at Abu Ghraib and other detention centers."
In response, Scott McClellan, the White House spokesman, said:
"I think the allegations are ridiculous and unsupported by the facts. The United States is leading the way when it comes to protecting human rights and promoting human dignity.
"We have liberated 50 million people in Iraq and Afghanistan. We have worked to advance freedom and democracy in the world so that people are governed under a rule of law; that there are protections in place for minority rights; that women's rights are advanced so that women can fully participate in societies where now they cannot.
"So I just think it's ridiculous," McClellan added, "not supported by the facts, when you look at all that we do to promote human rights and promote human dignity in the world."
The State Department spokesman, Richard Boucher, said, "We promote human rights as part of achieving stability and fighting terrorism."
Amnesty's language was among the strongest it has used and represented a broader sense within human rights advocacy groups that the U.S. treatment of prisoners had diminished its standing.
"It's not because the United States is the worst human rights abuser in the world," said Kenneth Roth, the head of Human Rights Watch, in a telephone interview from New York, "but because it's the most influential."[/i]
Yes - I was gonna say "steady on" - but I agree that a lot should be expected of countries like the US (and UK and canada and Oz and western Europe etc. too) - especially when so much rhetoric about moral superiority abounds, and when the US is taking upon itself the right to invade other countries etc trumpeting about freedom and human rights etc.
There is a huge difference between umbrage towards a smug national entity and outrage against an entity that engages in consistent and blatant human rights violations.
The notion that Gitmo is the Gulag of the 21st Century is absurd beyond belief, and indicative of the lack of credibility of Amnesty International.
Even if we assume the worse about Gitmo, it cannot compare to the hell holes existing in numerous nations around the world.
Pull up your socks, Buzz, your bias is showing. In this post, where might I look for the facts supporting your position. You seem the bright fellow; can you not discern that this meaning has some veracity?
Do you think that the people of AI, at least as intelligence as you, would say these things without a shred of proof?
I can appreciate that human rights organizations feel compelled (independent of political bias) to criticize the US, disproportionatly, for so-called human right violation. After all, what possible chance might they have in influencing the really bad guys if they don't ever criticize the US?
Unfortunately, it seems to me, that these "officials" are far too gleeful in criticizing the US. And why might that be?
The jackals will always be snapping at the feet of the lion. Who really cares?
Where I find myself unable to keep the issue in perspective is when US citizens join Amnesty International in condemning the US.
You need to look up 'bias' and 'hypocrisy' in a dictionary, then have a peek in the mirror. While you've got it down off the bookshelf, try the word 'perspective' too.
Veteran of Iraq war describes its horrors
Soldier now conscientious objector
By Brandon Mackey / Ventura County Star
Behind eyes resembling pools of serenity, and a demeanor of calm and peace, Aidan Delgado keeps graphic memories of human suffering from the Iraqi war close.
The 23-year-old Army Reserve veteran from Florida shared the memories and just as graphic photographs with about 100 people Friday night in the Topping Room at the E.P. Foster Library in Ventura.
"If you support the war, you should know what you support. If you don't, you should know what you don't support," said Delgado flipping through pictures during the slide show.
The room filled with gasps when a new image of an Iraqi civilian mangled from the war would appear every few minutes on the screen behind him. He said he and other soldiers took the horrific images to show Americans the reality of the war in Iraq.
"The American media's coverage of the war does not reflect the real terror of it," Delgado said.
Delgado, a Buddhist, became a conscientious objector after his tour in Iraq had finished in late 2004, although he applied for the status in April 2003.
"I was armed and trained to kill, but I couldn't submit myself to the violence," Delgado said.
With his new status, Delgado did not carry a gun but served as a mechanic specialist and Arabic translator.
Delgado explained how he had volunteered for the Reserves after a year in college and was looking for a change. He finished signing the paperwork the morning of Sept. 11.
"Living the war, I realized it was unethical, and although I never shot anyone, I felt responsible just by being there," he said.
In January 2004, his unit, the 320th Military Police, was sent to Abu Ghraib prison.
"I never saw any abuse, but our officers told us to keep any damning rumors or photos at the camp," said Delgado.
Delgado added that the squalid prison was not meant for human occupation.
Delgado said he witnessed the worst side of soldiers and showed photographs of U.S. soldiers posing with the corpses of Abu Ghraib prisoners killed in a gun fight.
Delgado has made more than 30 appearances and plans to make more.
"I'm doing what I know is right," he said. "I'm helping people make their own decisions from actual evidence."
Citizens for Peaceful Resolutions, Alternatives to the Military: Options and Resources and the Ventura County Veterans for Peace sponsored the forum.
Where I find myself unable to keep the issue in perspective is when US citizens join Amnesty International in condemning the US.
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:There is a huge difference between umbrage towards a smug national entity and outrage against an entity that engages in consistent and blatant human rights violations.
The notion that Gitmo is the Gulag of the 21st Century is absurd beyond belief, and indicative of the lack of credibility of Amnesty International.
Even if we assume the worse about Gitmo, it cannot compare to the hell holes existing in numerous nations around the world.
Pull up your socks, Buzz, your bias is showing. In this post, where might I look for the facts supporting your position. You seem the bright fellow; can you not discern that this meaning has some veracity?
Do you think that the people of AI, at least as intelligence as you, would say these things without a shred of proof?
It seems to me that it falls upon the originator of the comparison between Gitmo and the Soviet Gulag to offer up proof for such an outrageous claim.
The people who have made this claim do possess a shred of proof. That's the problem. They have taken the fact that a handful of prisoners have been, in someway, mistreated and hysterically expanded that to form a comparison with the Soviet Gulag.
I suppose it might be accurate to argue that Gitmo is the Gulag of the 21st Century, but that would require a belief that the 21st Century has moved much further along the path of Enlightenment than its predescesor.
Does AI really mean to suggest that conditions in Gitmo are more oppressive and represent greater violations of human rights than the politcal prisons of China, Egypt, Saudia Arabia, Myanmar, Cuba, North Korea, or the Congo (to name but a few)?
I can appreciate that human rights organizations feel compelled (independent of political bias) to criticize the US, disproportionatly, for so-called human right violation. After all, what possible chance might they have in influencing the really bad guys if they don't ever criticize the US?
Unfortunately, it seems to me, that these "officials" are far too gleeful in criticizing the US. And why might that be?
The jackals will always be snapping at the feet of the lion. Who really cares?
Where I find myself unable to keep the issue in perspective is when US citizens join Amnesty International in condemning the US.
You need to look up 'bias' and 'hypocrisy' in a dictionary, then have a peek in the mirror. While you've got it down off the bookshelf, try the word 'perspective' too.
You seem an angry sort of fellow. I suppose that somewhere along the line I've kicked your dog or cut you off on the highway.
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
Where I find myself unable to keep the issue in perspective is when US citizens join Amnesty International in condemning the US.
You can't understand why an American citizen would condemn the Bush adminstration...or American treatment of suspected (read: innocent until proven guilty) criminals?
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There is a huge difference between umbrage towards a smug national entity and outrage against an entity that engages in consistent and blatant human rights violations.
The notion that Gitmo is the Gulag of the 21st Century is absurd beyond belief, and indicative of the lack of credibility of Amnesty International.
Even if we assume the worse about Gitmo, it cannot compare to the hell holes existing in numerous nations around the world.
I can appreciate that human rights organizations feel compelled (independent of political bias) to criticize the US, disproportionatly, for so-called human right violation. After all, what possible chance might they have in influencing the really bad guys if they don't ever criticize the US?
Unfortunately, it seems to me, that these "officials" are far too gleeful in criticizing the US. And why might that be?
The jackals will always be snapping at the feet of the lion. Who really cares?
Where I find myself unable to keep the issue in perspective is when US citizens join Amnesty International in condemning the US.
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:There is a huge difference between umbrage towards a smug national entity and outrage against an entity that engages in consistent and blatant human rights violations.
The notion that Gitmo is the Gulag of the 21st Century is absurd beyond belief, and indicative of the lack of credibility of Amnesty International.
Even if we assume the worse about Gitmo, it cannot compare to the hell holes existing in numerous nations around the world.
I can appreciate that human rights organizations feel compelled (independent of political bias) to criticize the US, disproportionatly, for so-called human right violation. After all, what possible chance might they have in influencing the really bad guys if they don't ever criticize the US?
Unfortunately, it seems to me, that these "officials" are far too gleeful in criticizing the US. And why might that be?
The jackals will always be snapping at the feet of the lion. Who really cares?
Where I find myself unable to keep the issue in perspective is when US citizens join Amnesty International in condemning the US.
I find that an odd reaction.
Firstly, as a citizen of my country I find its human rights violations way more galling than I find those of any other country.
I think there is an atavistic defensive reaction when one's country is criticized - but surely we can rise above that?
Amnesty has roundly and stingingly condemned Australia for its mandatory detention policies, for instance - and I thoroughly agree.
I don't give a damn if we are as bad as Soviet Russia or not - clearly we are not - but what the hell has that to do with it? What is wrong in my country is just plain damn wrong - and I want it condemned and I want my government to feel the sting of it, and my fellow citizens to put pressure on the overnment to right the wrongs. I do not try to shoot the messenger because the message is negative - eg I do not try to discredit Amnesty because it advocates for decent treatment for people in my country.
I think we tend to see any criticism of our countries as "gleeful" simply because we do not wish to face these things.
Frankly, as a citizen of a country that dares to considers it had the right to attack another, we had damn well better be behaving well ourselves.
I just don't get the defensiveness - well, I get it emotionally, but I do not think it ought to guide our reasoned responses.
Joining Amnesty International in condemning the US for overseeing the Gulag of the 21st Century is not the same as condemning the Bush Administration or condemning the US for whatever limited abuse of prisoners of which it may be guilty.
You may also find this shocking, but I don't understand why any American citizen would be so readily inclined towards believing the obvious hyperbole of an International organization over their own government, and press. Do any reputable new media (including the NY Times, Newsweek, The Boston Globe etc) claim that Gitmo is anything like the Soviet Gulag?
