Newsweek Lied, People Died

Ticomaya wrote:

McTag wrote:

We know that the majority of inmates at Guantanamo Bay are not guilty of anything at all.
They are not terrorists, but they are being terrorised, and abused.
And this treatment is the best possible recruiting device for further muslim extremism.

What?! How can you possibly be assured of that? What utter tripe!

Utter tripe it's not. It's actually true.

1. They are not terrorists. No charges have been laid.

I many lefties think terrorism is not a big deal. That was, after all, the view held by our former President Clinton. Thankfully, our current President doesn't share that view.

Ticomaya wrote:

I many lefties think terrorism is not a big deal. That was, after all, the view held by our former President Clinton. Thankfully, our current President doesn't share that view.

where the hell did you get that idea ? let's just look at a few things here..

1993- first wtc bombing. traced back to "the blind islamic cleric" - arrested.

1995 - oklahoma - mcvaey and nichols - arrested.

1998 - kenya & tanzania embassies bombed by bin laden -clinton bombs obl & terrorists in afghanistan and sudan.

may 2000 - millenium plot foiled, clinton says obl behind it. calls for 300 million additional in counter terrorist spending.


how is any one of these doing nothing ???

ya know who did nothing ? the republicans. instead of keeping there eye on the ball of obl's terrorist plots, they insisted on keeping there eyes rivited on clinton's balls.

ya know who did nothing ? gingrich. hyde. bush. cheney. rice. rumsfeld. delay. lott. etc.

the cole was bombed in october of 2000, right before the election. bush takes office 3 months later and what does he do ? goes on vacation. worries about faith based initiatives, big tax cuts and saddam hussein. not one freakin' word about obl. or the cole...

cheney - appointed to head a group on terrorism. 9 months go by and not a single meeting. busy with that closed door energy thing, eh ? busy workin' out the iraq thing with halliburton and dressler, huh ? no time for that terror stuff, eh dick ?

9 months... nearly 1/4 of the administration's term of office.

when do you suppose they would have found time in their busy schedule to take up and continue with islamic terror, or even bother to review the reports handed over by clinton, over the next four years ?

rice ? jesus. pdb; "bin laden determined to attack america". boy, now that is a cryptic title.

"we had no idea...". "never in our wildest dreams...". bull$hit. it's their job to think of this stuff. are you really gonna follow people who tell you that a guy that lives in a cave and shites in a hole is smarter than they are ?

no. the rove wunderkinder had to have it rubbed in their collective faces like fido's first day on 9/11 to even get an aknowledgement of the problem.

and what did they do, even then ??

a half hearted invasion of afghanistan. a nation that is still struggling to get back on it's feet.

and then, it's back to the real business at hand, by jiminy. iraq.

meanwhile, where's osama ?

so who is it really that hasn't done anything about terrorism ?

you can blame clinton all you want, but denial ain't just a river in egypt.

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:

I many lefties think terrorism is not a big deal. That was, after all, the view held by our former President Clinton. Thankfully, our current President doesn't share that view.

where the hell did you get that idea ? let's just look at a few things here..

1993- first wtc bombing. traced back to "the blind islamic cleric" - arrested.

1995 - oklahoma - mcvaey and nichols - arrested.

1998 - kenya & tanzania embassies bombed by bin laden -clinton bombs obl & terrorists in afghanistan and sudan.

may 2000 - millenium plot foiled, clinton says obl behind it. calls for 300 million additional in counter terrorist spending.


how is any one of these doing nothing ???

ya know who did nothing ? the republicans. instead of keeping there eye on the ball of obl's terrorist plots, they insisted on keeping there eyes rivited on clinton's balls.

ya know who did nothing ? gingrich. hyde. bush. cheney. rice. rumsfeld. delay. lott. etc.

the cole was bombed in october of 2000, right before the election. bush takes office 3 months later and what does he do ? goes on vacation. worries about faith based initiatives, big tax cuts and saddam hussein. not one freakin' word about obl. or the cole...

cheney - appointed to head a group on terrorism. 9 months go by and not a single meeting. busy with that closed door energy thing, eh ? busy workin' out the iraq thing with halliburton and dressler, huh ? no time for that terror stuff, eh dick ?

9 months... nearly 1/4 of the administration's term of office.

when do you suppose they would have found time in their busy schedule to take up and continue with islamic terror, or even bother to review the reports handed over by clinton, over the next four years ?

rice ? jesus. pdb; "bin laden determined to attack america". boy, now that is a cryptic title.

"we had no idea...". "never in our wildest dreams...". bull$hit. it's their job to think of this stuff. are you really gonna follow people who tell you that a guy that lives in a cave and shites in a hole is smarter than they are ?

no. the rove wunderkinder had to have it rubbed in their collective faces like fido's first day on 9/11 to even get an aknowledgement of the problem.

and what did they do, even then ??

a half hearted invasion of afghanistan. a nation that is still struggling to get back on it's feet.

and then, it's back to the real business at hand, by jiminy. iraq.

meanwhile, where's osama ?

so who is it really that hasn't done anything about terrorism ?

you can blame clinton all you want, but denial ain't just a river in egypt.

Wow.

That sure a lot of hooey.

McTag wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:

McTag wrote:

We know that the majority of inmates at Guantanamo Bay are not guilty of anything at all.
They are not terrorists, but they are being terrorised, and abused.
And this treatment is the best possible recruiting device for further muslim extremism.

What?! How can you possibly be assured of that? What utter tripe!

Utter tripe it's not. It's actually true.

1. They are not terrorists. No charges have been laid.

Terrorists they may or may not be, but the fact that no charges have been proven does not make a murderer less a murderer. And since you can't possibly know whether they are terrorists or not, you cannot make that claim. Tripe it remains.

Sure, let's declare war on traffic accidents. How ought we do that?

I many lefties think terrorism is not a big deal. That was, after all, the view held by our former President Clinton. Thankfully, our current President doesn't share that view.

Falsely schmalsely. It wasn't false, don't forget. Desecrations took place. Newsweek was leant on and cravenly capitulated. Shameful.

Falsely schmalsely. It wasn't false, don't forget. Desecrations took place. Newsweek was leant on and cravenly capitulated. Shameful.

Ticomaya wrote:

McTag wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:

McTag wrote:

We know that the majority of inmates at Guantanamo Bay are not guilty of anything at all.
They are not terrorists, but they are being terrorised, and abused.
And this treatment is the best possible recruiting device for further muslim extremism.

What?! How can you possibly be assured of that? What utter tripe!

Utter tripe it's not. It's actually true.

1. They are not terrorists. No charges have been laid.

Terrorists they may or may not be, but the fact that no charges have been proven does not make a murderer less a murderer. And since you can't possibly know whether they are terrorists or not, you cannot make that claim. Tripe it remains.

The British ones, which were released after dipolomatic efforts here, were just naive boys, illegally detained.

Some of the detainees were bought from the Pakistanis. Some were taken in Egypt. If there were any evidence or if anything could be proved against them, given the bad publicity surrounding this operation, don't you think we would have heard all about it by now?

Guantanamo is an illegal, immoral and incredibly stupid idea. No wonder they didn't build it in the land of the free.

Falsely schmalsely. It wasn't false, don't forget. Desecrations took place. Newsweek was leant on and cravenly capitulated. Shameful.

Ticomaya wrote:

I many lefties think terrorism is not a big deal. That was, after all, the view held by our former President Clinton. Thankfully, our current President doesn't share that view.

Well, I didn't expect you and me to agree on this. So just one more question before I drop the "balance" thing: If you don't think it's a BFD when prison guards in Guantanamo Bay desecrate the Koran, why did you think it a BFD when Newsweek falsely reported about those desecrations?

And with McTag and others going on about what they view as terrorism taking place in Gitmo and Abu Ghraib, that is why perspective is most needed.

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:

I many lefties think terrorism is not a big deal. That was, after all, the view held by our former President Clinton. Thankfully, our current President doesn't share that view.

where the hell did you get that idea ? let's just look at a few things here..

1993- first wtc bombing. traced back to "the blind islamic cleric" - arrested.

1995 - oklahoma - mcvaey and nichols - arrested.

1998 - kenya & tanzania embassies bombed by bin laden -clinton bombs obl & terrorists in afghanistan and sudan.

may 2000 - millenium plot foiled, clinton says obl behind it. calls for 300 million additional in counter terrorist spending.


how is any one of these doing nothing ???

ya know who did nothing ? the republicans. instead of keeping there eye on the ball of obl's terrorist plots, they insisted on keeping there eyes rivited on clinton's balls.

ya know who did nothing ? gingrich. hyde. bush. cheney. rice. rumsfeld. delay. lott. etc.

the cole was bombed in october of 2000, right before the election. bush takes office 3 months later and what does he do ? goes on vacation. worries about faith based initiatives, big tax cuts and saddam hussein. not one freakin' word about obl. or the cole...

cheney - appointed to head a group on terrorism. 9 months go by and not a single meeting. busy with that closed door energy thing, eh ? busy workin' out the iraq thing with halliburton and dressler, huh ? no time for that terror stuff, eh dick ?

9 months... nearly 1/4 of the administration's term of office.

when do you suppose they would have found time in their busy schedule to take up and continue with islamic terror, or even bother to review the reports handed over by clinton, over the next four years ?

rice ? jesus. pdb; "bin laden determined to attack america". boy, now that is a cryptic title.

"we had no idea...". "never in our wildest dreams...". bull$hit. it's their job to think of this stuff. are you really gonna follow people who tell you that a guy that lives in a cave and shites in a hole is smarter than they are ?

no. the rove wunderkinder had to have it rubbed in their collective faces like fido's first day on 9/11 to even get an aknowledgement of the problem.

and what did they do, even then ??

a half hearted invasion of afghanistan. a nation that is still struggling to get back on it's feet.

and then, it's back to the real business at hand, by jiminy. iraq.

meanwhile, where's osama ?

so who is it really that hasn't done anything about terrorism ?

you can blame clinton all you want, but denial ain't just a river in egypt.

Wow.

That sure a lot of hooey.

The prisoners at Guantanamo Bay are for the most part naive and misguided young men who are, or were, a threat only to themselves.

McGentrix wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:

I many lefties think terrorism is not a big deal. That was, after all, the view held by our former President Clinton. Thankfully, our current President doesn't share that view.

where the hell did you get that idea ? let's just look at a few things here..

1993- first wtc bombing. traced back to "the blind islamic cleric" - arrested.

1995 - oklahoma - mcvaey and nichols - arrested.

1998 - kenya & tanzania embassies bombed by bin laden -clinton bombs obl & terrorists in afghanistan and sudan.

may 2000 - millenium plot foiled, clinton says obl behind it. calls for 300 million additional in counter terrorist spending.


how is any one of these doing nothing ???

ya know who did nothing ? the republicans. instead of keeping there eye on the ball of obl's terrorist plots, they insisted on keeping there eyes rivited on clinton's balls.

ya know who did nothing ? gingrich. hyde. bush. cheney. rice. rumsfeld. delay. lott. etc.

the cole was bombed in october of 2000, right before the election. bush takes office 3 months later and what does he do ? goes on vacation. worries about faith based initiatives, big tax cuts and saddam hussein. not one freakin' word about obl. or the cole...

cheney - appointed to head a group on terrorism. 9 months go by and not a single meeting. busy with that closed door energy thing, eh ? busy workin' out the iraq thing with halliburton and dressler, huh ? no time for that terror stuff, eh dick ?

9 months... nearly 1/4 of the administration's term of office.

when do you suppose they would have found time in their busy schedule to take up and continue with islamic terror, or even bother to review the reports handed over by clinton, over the next four years ?

rice ? jesus. pdb; "bin laden determined to attack america". boy, now that is a cryptic title.

"we had no idea...". "never in our wildest dreams...". bull$hit. it's their job to think of this stuff. are you really gonna follow people who tell you that a guy that lives in a cave and shites in a hole is smarter than they are ?

no. the rove wunderkinder had to have it rubbed in their collective faces like fido's first day on 9/11 to even get an aknowledgement of the problem.

and what did they do, even then ??

a half hearted invasion of afghanistan. a nation that is still struggling to get back on it's feet.

and then, it's back to the real business at hand, by jiminy. iraq.

meanwhile, where's osama ?

so who is it really that hasn't done anything about terrorism ?

you can blame clinton all you want, but denial ain't just a river in egypt.

Wow.

That sure a lot of hooey.

wrong.

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it's total bull$hit.


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The prisoners at Guantanamo Bay are for the most part naive and misguided young men who are, or were, a threat only to themselves.

Where did you come upon this bit of evidence? Is this what the press is feeding you guys over there?

Ticomaya wrote:

And with McTag and others going on about what they view as terrorism taking place in Gitmo and Abu Ghraib, that is why perspective is most needed.

The prisoners at Guantanamo Bay are for the most part naive and misguided young men who are, or were, a threat only to themselves.

McGentrix wrote:

Quote:

The prisoners at Guantanamo Bay are for the most part naive and misguided young men who are, or were, a threat only to themselves.

Where did you come upon this bit of evidence? Is this what the press is feeding you guys over there?

I'll leave it for McTag to argue his point, but I'd be curious what your side of said point would look like, McGentrix. As best I know, only a small minority had had their tribunal so far, so the only reason to believe that most of the detainees are terrorists would be the word of the military officers who arrested them, or in other words one party to the case. Assuming that's true, what makes you so sure they are terrorists? Assuming it's false, where do you think I'm going wrong?