Can Souls in Hell be Forgiven and Saved and Go to Heaven?

Now we have the freedom to set our own standards. . .
How are we doing so far?

neologist wrote:

He got his "freedom" to set his own standards.

Leadfoot wrote:

And we don't?

Why do you say that? We are Adam's offspring, are we not?

Now we have the freedom to set our own standards. . .
How are we doing so far?

He got his "freedom" to set his own standards.

And we don't?

Why do you say that? We are Adam's offspring, are we not?

Now we have the freedom to set our own standards. . .
How are we doing so far?

So, why did Adam get a different deal, according to your dogma?

He sinned.
He died.
We sin.
We die.
The only difference I see is that Adam deliberately chose to sin.

The only difference I see is that Adam deliberately chose to sin.

He sinned.
He died.
We sin.
We die.
The only difference I see is that Adam deliberately chose to sin.

The difference is your claim that we can be forgiven, but Adam cannot.

So, according to you, we don't chose to sin?

We are no longer morally perfect; so we sin inadvertently. For those sins we can be forgiven. But we also can choose to sin.

InfraBlue wrote:

neologist wrote:

He sinned.
He died.
We sin.
We die.
The only difference I see is that Adam deliberately chose to sin.

The difference is your claim that we can be forgiven, but Adam cannot.

Right.

InfraBlue wrote:

So, according to you, we don't chose to sin?

We are no longer morally perfect; so we sin inadvertently. For those sins we can be forgiven. But we also can choose to sin.

You still haven't explained the reason why Adam cannot be forgiven, unless you're offering a circular reasoning.

How do we sin inadvertently?

For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward,
and even their name is forgotten.
6 Their love, their hate
and their jealousy have long since vanished;
never again will they have a part
in anything that happens under the sun. (Ecclesiastes 9:5,6)

Agreed with the possible exception of someone who is downright nasty

Adam was perfect. How could he have provided an excuse?

Adam was perfect. How could he have provided an excuse?

I think I'm beginning to understand your reasoning on that. Adam was ignorant of the knowledge of good and evil. You seem to equate ignorance with perfection. . .

How do we regain that ignorance in order to be acceptable to God?
And if that is not possible, how then do we become acceptable?
If the sacrifice of Jesus is adequate for us, why not for Adam?

Adam had within himself a perfect moral compass, a conscience that directed him to avoid sin. The choice he had was whether or not to continue abiding by that inner directive or begin making moral decisions on his own.

Adam had within himself a perfect moral compass, a conscience that directed him to avoid sin. The choice he had was whether or not to continue abiding by that inner directive or begin making moral decisions on his own.

That is exactly as I see man today.

The only difference with Adam (before the tree incident) was that he was ignorant of good and evil. If anything, that gives him an excuse that we don't have.

. . . each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. 15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. (James 1:14)