QKid
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Jun, 2005 09:45 pm
Steve,

What is a pedaeophile?
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Moishe3rd
 
  1  
Reply Mon 27 Jun, 2005 09:50 pm
gungasnake wrote:
Etruscia wrote:


Despite the fact the inquisition may be "hyped" somewhat, thousands of people were tortured, and killed. Ironically, many of those were muslims in Spain.



It isn't hyped "somewhat"; it's hyped about 90% as the article notes. Something like about ten percent of what you read might be real. Crusades are the same story; they were basically a legitimate defensive reaction against muslim aggression.

Uhhh, Gunga, I happen to agree with most of what you are writing, in principal. But...
The Inquistion in Spain did indeed murder, with malice aforethought, thousands of Spanish Jews. As a matter of fact, it was considered excessive and unproductive by the Papal See and Rome initially condemned the barbaric practices of the Spanish Inquisition. A "compromise" was reached when the Christians finally rather brutally conquered all of Iberia - expel the non-believers. This resulted in the deaths of more than thousands of Jews as other countries such as Portugal cheerfully murdered, starved or otherwise eliminated new Jewish immigrants. This was not a good thing.
The Crusades were similiar.
The Crusades were only a legitimate defensive reaction against Islam by the aggrieved Byzantine Christians. Unfortunately, Alexis, the Byzantine Emperor, made a deal with the devil by getting Pope Urban to call the Crusades. The Crusaders were, for the most part, barbarian thugs, murderers, criminals, rapists, thieves, and other riff-raff of Europe who took pleasure in murdering Jews for sport and profit and carried over this pastime in dealing with Muslims and ultimately the Byzantine Christians who they were theorectically protecting...

Nonetheless, you are entirely, 100% accurate when you point out that these Christian barbarisms occurred quite some time ago, whereas Islam daily murders itself and others...
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adomi
 
  1  
Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 12:24 am
salam
Bismillahir-rahmanir-rahim, wa bihi nasta'in
Salamu alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu,

Just to say my salam to all and be acquainted to the current topic

Salamu alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu
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brahmin
 
  1  
Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 01:17 am
ikdhh l lsjh plwgjpwjg lvjh sjv;) sj!!

khh jdjc lke - ke mvnoanmr.

jjfwmp pop !! Smile
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Etruscia
 
  1  
Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 07:31 am
I dont see how the long time ago really makes that much of a difference. Are we going to look at suicide bombings 500 years from now and see them as alright?
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brahmin
 
  1  
Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 08:29 am
wtg!!

fantastic arguement !!
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Moishe3rd
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 08:46 am
Etruscia wrote:
I dont see how the long time ago really makes that much of a difference. Are we going to look at suicide bombings 500 years from now and see them as alright?

No.
However, it is not relevant today that Germans murdered half of Europe and tried to completely eliminate Jews from the face of the Earth.
It is relevant that Muslims are murdering people daily and, incidentally, trying to eliminate Jews from the face of the Earth. Confused
It is ridiculous to get all hot and bothered about what Germans are doing today, June of 2005.
It is insane not to be extremely concerned about what Muslims are doing today, June of 2005.
Do you believe that you should be equally concerned about all the evil done by all the peoples of this planet for all of history?
Why?
It might be a bit more rational to be concerned about threats posed today, now, right this instant, to your life and the lives of all of those you know.
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Etruscia
 
  1  
Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 11:21 am
"It is ridiculous to get all hot and bothered about what Germans are doing today, June of 2005."

So if Germans are doing bad things to day, we shouldnt worry about it?

I understand your point of view, and i am concerned about the things that have befallen victims of terror attacks from Islamic Extremists. What i am also concerned about is the aggregate bad will toward muslims coming from the western world. All i am trying to do, is remind that the are few major religions with clean hands . . .
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Moishe3rd
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 11:43 am
Etruscia wrote:
"It is ridiculous to get all hot and bothered about what Germans are doing today, June of 2005."

So if Germans are doing bad things to day, we shouldnt worry about it?

I understand your point of view, and i am concerned about the things that have befallen victims of terror attacks from Islamic Extremists. What i am also concerned about is the aggregate bad will toward muslims coming from the western world. All i am trying to do, is remind that the are few major religions with clean hands . . .

But that is exactly "relativistic."
Everything is not "relative."
There is good; bad; better; best.... There is evil and degradation...
The problem with addressing Christianity or Hinduism or Judaism in terms of "well, they do it too (or they did it too)," is that you then devalue the barbarism that is committed now; this instant; today.
Your reasoning is flawed -
"If Hindus burned down a mosque in India, then Muslims in every country in the world daily butchering people for no particular reason, must be understood in the context of the fact that all religions have flaws..."
This ignores reality. Whether you like it or not; whether you support it or not; the fact remains that Muslims butcher innocents daily in the name of Allah and no major leader or Muslim country opposes this practice done in the name of Islam.
This is a problem.
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NewSoul
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 11:48 am
Dear Moishe3rd Smile ,

Jews are cousins of the arabs, you know that! Of course you do!!

I know the feeling that you have. The people of Israel were honored by the religion of GOD at first but what happened there ? Arrogance, selfishness and feeling of superiority made your ancestors manipulate the words and Laws of GOD because maybe they thought GOD wasn't powerful enough or the Almighty didn't care or did not mind manipulations since GOD had described the sons of Israel as the best. Unfortunately, the sons of Abraham ISaac and Jacob ( Peace be Upon them All) , who were on the right path and established the true LAws of GOD are the one that GOD spoke about and not the Jewish people of now. Then GOD , the most merciful gave your people a second chance and sent you Jesus ( PBUH) but guess what happened !!! same thing, your ancestors fought him and just like they fought the will of GOD.

Guess what happened. You can read your Torah and actually it was a confession of a Rabbi to me that Muhammad (PBUH), the cousin of the jews, direct decendant from Ishmail brother of Isaac, is the last messenger of GOD. GOD has protected the holy Quran from any manipulations and it is still as it was more than 1400 years and never contradict the actual scientific findings or anything else.
You should check that on islam-guide dot com.

Here:

The Lord said to me [Moses]: "What they say is good. I will raise up for them a Prophet like you among their brothers; I will put My words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to My words that the Prophet speaks in My name, I will Myself call him to account." (Deuteronomy 18:17-9)



It is clear from these verses that what is meant by "a Prophet like you among their brothers" is a Prophet who will come from the line of Ishmael, since Ishmael is the brother of Isaac, who is the forefather of the Children of Israel. The only Prophet who came after Moses and resembled him in many ways, for example, in the bringing of new laws and the waging of war on his enemies, was the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). The Qur'an points to the same fact,

(We have sent to you a Messenger as a witness over you, even as we sent to Pharaoh a Messenger.) (QURAN: Al-Muzzammil 73:15)


Dear Moish I advise you to read yourTorah and read the Quran. You will find the truth just by doing that. This life is short , aren't you scared from the eternal destination ? It will be eternal and it is not a joke. Is it worth it to make the wrong assumption ? What are you gonna win from standing against Islam, the truth? MAybe couple bucks or more opportunities in the USA or so. Aren't you dying ? You should stand for the Truth. GOD is not kidding when he says that he prepared a DAY of JUDGMENT where he will show the severest punishment for injust people and will reward the righteous among his creation with the best eternal continuous enjoyment . Do you get the picture ?


Michael,
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Etruscia
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 11:51 am
I dont know where i said it wasnt a problem but . .
I do not think ym reasoning devalues the atrocities committed by muslims today. It is just a reflection that at other points in history one religon or another can be considered just as barbaric. That is all im saying, nothing more nothing less. I just feel that we (the western world) are singleing out muslims as the only violent religion. Im not a muslim, nor am i an apologist.
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Moishe3rd
 
  1  
Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 12:28 pm
NewSoul wrote:
Dear Moishe3rd Smile ,

Jews are cousins of the arabs, you know that! Of course you do!!

I know the feeling that you have. The people of Israel were honored by the religion of GOD at first but what happened there ? Arrogance, selfishness and feeling of superiority made your ancestors manipulate the words and Laws of GOD because maybe they thought GOD wasn't powerful enough or the Almighty didn't care or did not mind manipulations since GOD had described the sons of Israel as the best. Unfortunately, the sons of Abraham ISaac and Jacob ( Peace be Upon them All) , who were on the right path and established the true LAws of GOD are the one that GOD spoke about and not the Jewish people of now. Then GOD , the most merciful gave your people a second chance and sent you Jesus ( PBUH) but guess what happened !!! same thing, your ancestors fought him and just like they fought the will of GOD.

Guess what happened. You can read your Torah and actually it was a confession of a Rabbi to me that Muhammad (PBUH), the cousin of the jews, direct decendant from Ishmail brother of Isaac, is the last messenger of GOD. GOD has protected the holy Quran from any manipulations and it is still as it was more than 1400 years and never contradict the actual scientific findings or anything else.
You should check that on islam-guide dot com.

Here:

The Lord said to me [Moses]: "What they say is good. I will raise up for them a Prophet like you among their brothers; I will put My words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to My words that the Prophet speaks in My name, I will Myself call him to account." (Deuteronomy 18:17-9)



It is clear from these verses that what is meant by "a Prophet like you among their brothers" is a Prophet who will come from the line of Ishmael, since Ishmael is the brother of Isaac, who is the forefather of the Children of Israel. The only Prophet who came after Moses and resembled him in many ways, for example, in the bringing of new laws and the waging of war on his enemies, was the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). The Qur'an points to the same fact,

(We have sent to you a Messenger as a witness over you, even as we sent to Pharaoh a Messenger.) (QURAN: Al-Muzzammil 73:15)


Dear Moish I advise you to read yourTorah and read the Quran. You will find the truth just by doing that. This life is short , aren't you scared from the eternal destination ? It will be eternal and it is not a joke. Is it worth it to make the wrong assumption ? What are you gonna win from standing against Islam, the truth? MAybe couple bucks or more opportunities in the USA or so. Aren't you dying ? You should stand for the Truth. GOD is not kidding when he says that he prepared a DAY of JUDGMENT where he will show the severest punishment for injust people and will reward the righteous among his creation with the best eternal continuous enjoyment . Do you get the picture ?


Michael,

Ewww...
Ya know. Not only do you do a bad Muslim thing, but yer kinda creepy.
How's the air where your at?
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brahmin
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 01:39 pm
the air in afghanistan has had more than its fair share of gun powder, sulphur & such like, for quite a few years now.
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Steve 41oo
 
  1  
Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 03:03 pm
"GOD has protected the holy Quran from any manipulations and it is still as it was more than 1400 years and never contradict the actual scientific findings or anything else. "

that is false newsoul, ive told you before the earliest fragments of the earliest Koran found in the roof spaces when they investigated the great mosque at Sana'a showed alterations in the text. There have been several versions of the Koran over the years, sometimes suppressed, sometimes promoted, depending on the ruling tribal family. Its worse than a myth to say the Koran has not changed, its just not true.
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NewSoul
 
  1  
Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 03:22 pm
Cousin Moshe,

I was just giving you a summary of what happened to GOD's Laws cousin, and I am 100% sure than you understood everything I said but I guess you are happy the way you are but not for long, and the Day will come. I have been thought to talk to the people of the Book nicely because maybe GOD will forgive some of them. God is the most merciful just don't forget that he is the severest in punishing who disobeys him.

Brahmin, you know I don't like pagans. Go burn your Gods that you made from stones and if they get angry at you tell them it was my idea so you are set.

I just can't believe there are still pagans in this world that worship their own creations. I think these guys are worse than atheists because atheists, at least, they are not stupid.

Brahmin, the reason I say this, it is because your were being so childish and I had to remind you of how ignorant you are.

Peace,

Michael
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brahmin
 
  1  
Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 03:31 pm
how talibanesque of you {surprise!!}

should i throw in a few korans too while i burn the stones? or should i just flush them?
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NewSoul
 
  1  
Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 03:33 pm
Brahmin,

You just did it again. Don't get frustrated, I only said the truth.
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brahmin
 
  1  
Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 03:36 pm
thanks but i prefer mickey mouse or the penthouse.

do you mind?
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brahmin
 
  1  
Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 03:40 pm
NewSoul wrote:
Brahmin,

You just did it again. Don't get frustrated, I only said the truth.


i am not frustrated.

i am used to your ilk.

and i too, only said the truth (as above).
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Etruscia
 
  1  
Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 03:56 pm
honestly New Soul, you claim Islam is the truth. Well, sure, it is the truth as you see it. It doesnt mean it is in any way an absolute truth . . .

Your exhibit A in "Why do people force their religious belifs upon others?"

Stop evangelizing, it does you no good, and it gives Islam a bad name.
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