ISLAM Q&A

Raul-7 wrote:

- a Muslim must never kill another Muslim intentionally no matter what.

and today is just another day in Baghdad

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The bomber exploded his device near a convoy of police vehicles on a main road in the mainly-Shia Sadr City area. Two police officers were injured but all other casualties were civilians, according to police officials.

Steve (as 41oo) wrote:

Raul-7 wrote:

...but jihad is only defending against invaders. The guierlla fighters in Iraq are jihadees

Do you support killing British troops in Afghanistan then?

Well do you support invading a country, killing numerous civilians and creating choas and civil war? I'm sure if some country attacked the UK, and your country was helpless in terms of defending itself - you would resort to guirella attacks. Just look at the Vietnamese, Cubans, Rowanda, Congo, etc. - it happens and it works! No one likes seeing someone invade their motherland and they will resort to dirty tactics to try and halt the invaders. It's a fact of warfare and there's nothing wrong with it.

Raul-7 wrote:

Steve (as 41oo) wrote:

Raul-7 wrote:

...but jihad is only defending against invaders. The guierlla fighters in Iraq are jihadees

Do you support killing British troops in Afghanistan then?

Well do you support invading a country, killing numerous civilians and creating choas and civil war? I'm sure if some country attacked the UK, and your country was helpless in terms of defending itself - you would resort to guirella attacks. Just look at the Vietnamese, Cubans, Rowanda, Congo, etc. - it happens and it works! No one likes seeing someone invade their motherland and they will resort to dirty tactics to try and halt the invaders. It's a fact of warfare and there's nothing wrong with it.

I'll take that as a yes.

What do you expect them to do...

Sorry not reconstruct it was never a country in the first place. Just a dung heap which attracted insects like bin Laden and his jihadists.

Here is the decisive proof to show that the so-called family laws were designed for the convenience of Mohammed. Allah, who is supposed to be God of entire mankind, could not have ignored the needs of them just to please Mohammed. Just look at the following: "And any woman believer, if she gave herself to the Prophet and if the Prophet desires to take her in marriage, for thee exclusively, apart from the believers." (The Confederates: 45)

For understanding this verse, the reader ought to know that it is addressed by Allah to the Prophet Mohammed. Allah makes it abundantly clear that this particular law exclusively applies to Mohammed, and other Muslims are not allowed its benefits. And the law as stated in this verse is, that any believing woman can offer herself to Mohammed in marriage, and if he desires, he can have her as a wife irrespective of the number of wives he already has!

This type of law-making which is exclusive to one person is not known in the civilized world. Of course, despots have been above the laws but despotism is an antithesis of legality. Law is not law unless it applies to all and sundry with equal force.

3. Here is another instance which shows the personal nature of the Islamic Law:

According to the rota system that the Prophet had fixed as a rule fog spending certain nights with his spouses, he should have been with his wife called Hafza (the daughter of Umar), who to her utter amazement found him in bed with Marya his beautiful Coptic concubine, who became the mother of his son Ibrahim. Hafza was a hot-tempered woman. Seeing what was happening, she shouted: "In my room, on my day and in my bed!"

This Incident seemed less than honorable to Hafza. The Prophet realizing the delicacy of tile matter wanted her to keep quiet about the matter. In an attempt to appease her he promised her never to visit Marya again. This amounted to an oath which should have been kept by the Prophet. But what happened is stunning. Allah sent down the following verse to absolve the Prophet from his oath:

"O Prophet why forbiddest thou what God has made lawful to thee seeking the good pleasure of thy wives...... God has Ordained for you the absolution of your oath, God is your protector..." (The Forbidding: 1 )

Here is another case which is personal to Mohammed but ranks as the family law to the entire Muslim world.

After defeating Banu Mustalique, as Mohammed resumed the return journey, Aisha, his youngest wife lost the way while searching for her necklace. A young soldier, Safwan b. Mu'Attal Sulami Zakwani recognized her and gave her a lift back home. Though it was an innocent journey, the Prophet's enemies created a nasty scandal out of it, subjecting him and Aisha to a great deal of distress.

Though Aisha was faultless, Allah found it necessary to devise an impossible law of evidence to protect the Prophet and punish the accusers. See for yourself: "And these who cast it up on women in wedlock and then bring not four witnesses, scourge them with eighty stripes and do not accept any testimony of theirs ever.." (Light: 1-4)

This law pertains to fornication and rape. To prove that such an act has taken place. the calumniator must produce four eye- witnesses to this effect. If he does not, he is liable to receive eighty lashes. In the case of Aisha, both Mistah (a relative of Abu Bakr) and Hamma (Zainab's sister) suffered this punishment.

As a result of this law, a raped woman has to produce tour eye- witnesses to the act. which is more or less an impossibility. Its devastating effect can be clearly seen in Pakistan where several thousand good, honest women are imprisoned for suffering rape. When they report their cases to the police, they are required to produce four eye-witnesses. As they cannot do so, they are held as false accusers, and put behind the bars.

and what is the lay observer supposed to conclude from this?

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and what is the lay observer supposed to conclude from this?

No religion is perfect. Hence it always leaves a place for improvement.

A good Question:

First, The fact that for 1500 years, the Quran did not have a single word added to it or moved around or deleted. The historians, not even Muslims and everybody testify that.
A Quran you go find in a village in China will be so identical to the one I have and even a translation in English or whatever is called nothing but a translation of the Quran. It is one of the challenges that the Quran challenges any book in the existence.

Second, the Quran is memorized by heart by more than a million people in the world. When they recite it they recite it so Identically and beautifully and a good proof to that is that wherever you go for the prayer in the US, you will pray in rows with people from all over the planet, white Americans, black Americans, Europeans, Asians, Arabs, Persians and when the one who recites the Verses make a small mistake, usually when he forgets and need to be remembered, some of the Muslims say the first one or two words and then he picks up from there.

Third, the Quran has a lot of Miracles that we are discovering through all our lives since it was delivered 1500 years ago. Please refer to the link "Scientific facts in the Qur'an that you'll find on Muslim1's previous message and you will understand why the Quran is not a human work.

Fourth, Scientists with all the high-tech equipments and Modeling tools understand and research everything that concerns our existence in this world and make new discoveries every once in a while. However many scientists have discovered that the Quran's description of their findings they were so happy with is better described in the Quran and some even quoted from the Quran to describe their findings, and surely it is the holy book with thousands and thousands of heavy data that Muhammad (PBUH) is never capable to write even if you give him 1,000,000 years and a 1,000,000 Einsteins. More, nobody have ever found a single mistake in the Quran .The Enemies of Islam, there are many, we all know that. They would be very happy to find a single mistake. Isn't it possible that a man forgets a small tiny mistake in a book as heavy as the Quran that didn't leave a single field in Science, Education, Life..Etc that didn't throw in a lot of Wisdom? I have never seen a scientific book that was not re-edited hundred times and all scientists including me know that the better the book is the more likely you will find a second, third edition…Etc. It is a fact that this Holy book was never revised during the entire 1500 years. If there was a mistake in it, if people think it is not from God, I challenge them, I challenge the scientists, NASA, Einstein, whoever to prove me wrong. The Quran is not just about what is allowed and what is not but it is a lesson of science that is way advanced than anything because it is God's, the Creator of all the universes who is capable of anything we could or could not imagine, he gave us a summary of what and how he did create everything and how everything he designed work and with time the Quran will show Miracles again and again. Muhammad SAAWS got the best Miracle. He had so many amazing Miracles but I don't have the time to go over them because the greatest Miracle of the entire existence is the Quran.

If anybody refute what I said know that it is obvious that you knows that I am right or that there is a big chance that the Quran is the last true intact book from God you have a problem to accept the truth because Islam does come with solid proves and challenges and there is not any single lie in it.


watchmakers guidedog Wrote :

Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 12:05 pm Post subject:

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Satan (Iblis) once successfully deceived Mohammed into placing false words into the Qu'ran. How can we be certain that any other passage came from Allah and were not likewise a trick?

(I dont know why you felt it necessary to talk about the nazi extermination of the Jews, but to suggest that we were in some way responsible is disgraceful.

steve's original post is to be found here

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steve's original post is to be found here

thanks steve excellent post

Hey brahmin. A little off topic, but given your raw hatred for muslims and christians, how do you feel about your own indian brand of monotheism, which is even more brutal than islam?

I could have gone on and on but this is not the place. I would rather have a separate thread dedicated for this discussion.