The Most Amazing News About WMD's

Brandon9000 wrote:

Montana wrote:

I just threw the war mongers in there because some could actually care less if there were WMD's or not. Those are the ones who have that "do as I say or I'll kick your ass" attitudes! I call them bullies!

I think gullible describes the majority.

When you use the word "gullible," you seem to be making the implicit and incorrect assumption that we believe what we believe because someone told us to. This most likely represents the liberal misconception that all of us believed in the invasion of Iraq because Bush told us to. In my own case, I supported Bush because he agreed with my own prior ideas about Iraq. My opinion about the subject didn't change at all because of anything Bush said or did.

In fact, based merely on the general history of the situation, there was enough chance that Hussein had not destroyed his WMD to pose an unacceptable risk. Hussein had had such weapons and development programs to continue to perfect them, had concealed the weapons, and had misled and frequently blocked the efforts of inspectors for years. Now we were to believe that Hussein, who badly wanted sanctions lifted, had destroyed the weapons, yet had failed to obtain any proof of it. It did not require gullibility to look at what was known and unknown at that time and conclude that the likelihood that WMD remained had to be resolved. On the contrary, it required stupidity to look at the history and think that the possibility Hussein retained WMD did not have to be considered a serious problem.

I just have one question. What about the WMD that the U.S. has? Is every other country wrong and America right? Is that what democracy is all about? Oops, that is 3 questions.

Well Gee, let me think. I'm thinking that thousands of innocent lives would have been spare, but I guess that wouldn't have accomplished anything, eh? <sigh>!

McG
Where are the big bad WMD's you speak of???

Are you telling me that you think it's ok to attack another country killing thousands of innocent people when there's no proof to back up their claims? Of course you are because you're McG ;-)

Montana wrote:

McG
Where are the big bad WMD's you speak of???

Are you telling me that you think it's ok to attack another country killing thousands of innocent people when there's no proof to back up their claims? Of course you are because you're McG ;-)

timberlandko wrote:

The point never was to find WMD, whether by the "Inspectors" or otherwise; the point always was that Sadaam was obliged, on pain of military intervention, to account for known stocks of WMD, known WMD production and plannin' capability, and to demonstrate, voluntarily and conclusively that all such had been disposed of or terminated in satisfactory manner. That he never did. He bought what he got. Only one person had the power to prevent the invasion of Iraq. That person now sits in a jail cell and awaits trial in Iraq.

I hope Timber doesn't mind me lifting his statement, but there is no sense trying to rewrite perfection...

This is like teaching kindergarten........<sigh>.....We're not saying that no one can have WMD (although total world repudiation of WMD would be nice). We're only saying that of all the entities who are seeking them, or will seek them, a few of the most evil and dangerous should be prevented from having them. We regarded Hussein as being in that category.

Well, by golly, that's a mighty fine opinion your sporting there.

Montana wrote:

Well Gee, let me think. I'm thinking that thousands of innocent lives would have been spare, but I guess that wouldn't have accomplished anything, eh? <sigh>!

Or a million could have been lost. ."

So,,,,, some of you think that if Hussein had what?
thrown open the gates of all his palaces,
had his whole army stand down while UN inspectors combed the entire landscape,
had produced reams of documents detailing when, where and how his WMD's had been destroyed,
brought forth dozens of his scientists and military personel to testify before open tribunals regarding the disposal of weapons stocks,

that the USA would not have sought to invade the country

and he would still be in power???

Haw Haw hAw.

Joe(you guys kill me)Nation

So,,,,, some of you think that if Hussein had what?
thrown open the gates of all his palaces,
had his whole army stand down while UN inspectors combed the entire landscape,
had produced reams of documents detailing when, where and how his WMD's had been destroyed,
brought forth dozens of his scientists and military personel to testify before open tribunals regarding the disposal of weapons stocks,

that the USA would not have sought to invade the country

and he would still be in power???

Haw Haw hAw.

Joe(you guys kill me)Nation

When the issue is an evil dictator with ties to terrorists, who has had WMD, used them, lied about them, and tried to conceal them, yes. Oh, yes, and when the country has promised to verifiably destroy them and furnish clear proof of it, years ago as part of his surrender in a previous war. Why? Because one single WMD in an American city could kill hundreds of thousand of people or even more. It isn't complicated.

Brandon9000 wrote:

When the issue is an evil dictator with ties to terrorists, who has had WMD, used them, lied about them, and tried to conceal them, yes. Oh, yes, and when the country has promised to verifiably destroy them and furnish clear proof of it, years ago as part of his surrender in a previous war. Why? Because one single WMD in an American city could kill hundreds of thousand of people or even more. It isn't complicated.

You keep saying this Brandon. Where does it say Saddam had to VERIFY the destruction? I certainly don't see it in any of the UN resolutions. The only thing that needed to be verified was that Saddam didn't have any ongoing programs. Making up stuff doesn't help your argument Brandon.

Read UN Resolution 687. It details it rather clearly.

10. Decides that Iraq shall unconditionally undertake not to use,
develop, construct or acquire any of the items specified in paragraphs 8 and 9 above and requests the Secretary-General, in consultation with the Special Commission, to develop a plan for the future ongoing monitoring and verification of Iraq's compliance with this paragraph, to be submitted to the Security Council for approval within one hundred and twenty days of the passage of this resolution;

urgent on-site
inspection and the destruction, removal or rendering harmless as appropriate of all items specified above; and to accept the plan discussed in paragraph 13 below for the future ongoing monitoring and verification of its compliance with these undertakings;

taking into account
the rights and obligations of Iraq under the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons of 1 July 1968, for the future ongoing monitoring and verification of Iraq's compliance with paragraph 12 above, including an inventory of all nuclear material in Iraq subject to the agency's verification

the process by
which funds will be allocated and claims paid; appropriate procedures for
evaluating losses, listing claims and verifying their validity and resolving

8. Decides that Iraq shall unconditionally accept the destruction, removal, or rendering harmless, under international supervision, of:

(a) All chemical and biological weapons and all stocks of agents and all related subsystems and components and all research, development, support and manufacturing facilities;

(b) All ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 kilometres and related major parts, and repair and production facilities;

9. Decides, for the implementation of paragraph 8 above, the following:

(a) Iraq shall submit to the Secretary-General, within fifteen days of the adoption of the present resolution, a declaration of the locations, amounts and types of all items specified in paragraph 8 and agree to urgent, on-site inspection as specified below;

(b) The Secretary-General, in consultation with the appropriate Governments and, where appropriate, with the Director-General of the World Health Organization, within forty-five days of the passage of the present resolution, shall develop, and submit to the Council for approval, a plan calling for the completion of the following acts within forty-five days of such approval:

(i) The forming of a Special Commission, which shall carry out immediate on-site inspection of Iraq's biological, chemical and missile capabilities, based on Iraq's declarations and the designation of any additional locations by the Special Commission itself;

(ii) The yielding by Iraq of possession to the Special Commission for destruction, removal or rendering harmless, taking into account the requirements of public safety, of all items specified under paragraph 8 (a) above, including items at the additional locations designated by the Special Commission under paragraph 9 (b) (i) above and the destruction by Iraq, under the supervision of the Special Commission, of all its missile capabilities, including launchers, as specified under paragraph 8 (b) above;

(iii) The provision by the Special Commission of the assistance and cooperation to the Director-General of the International Atomic Energy Agency required in paragraphs 12 and 13 below;