Mueller: No further indictments

@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

Claiming this is some kind of Democratic plot is the kind of idiocy which Plump can rely on his supporters embracing.

Hardly idiocy. The Democrats pressed for the appointment of a special council with the malicious intent of causing harm to an administration that they disagreed with.

1 Reply

@neptuneblue,

neptuneblue wrote:

The purpose was never to bring charges, it was to inform. We still are left in the dark. Why is that ok with you?

That is incorrect. The only purpose of the special council is to bring charges. That is why the Democrats derailed any effort that would lead to an informative report and instead pressed for a special council. They don't care about protecting our elections. Their only goal here is to damage an administration that they disagree with.

1 Reply

@oralloy,

Quote:

Their only goal here is to damage an administration that they disagree with.

I am amazed their lame arguments even get them this far. They have openly called for violating a law because they think there is more? Do they understand, if you respect the rule of law, that is not good enough in our system?

A colossal waste of time and another way they **** all over the citizens of this country.

0 Replies

@oralloy,

Ah-hahahahahahahahaha . . . you are so delusional. The Republicans controlled both houses of the Congress. The AG and the DAG were both Republicans. Mr. Mueller is a life-long, and a highly respected Republican (no matter what the lunatic fringe of conservatives now say). The Democrats had no leverage to force anything.

Say . . . you wouldn't be interested in buying a nifty and potentially profitable bridge, would ya?

1 Reply

@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

Ah-hahahahahahahahaha . . . you are so delusional.

Can you point out anything that I am wrong about?

Setanta wrote:

The Republicans controlled both houses of the Congress. The AG and the DAG were both Republicans. Mr. Mueller is a life-long, and a highly respected Republican (no matter what the lunatic fringe of conservatives now say).

That did not prevent Democrats from pressing to have a special counsel appointed.

Setanta wrote:

The Democrats had no leverage to force anything.

They were able to create public pressure that the justice department gave in to. I'm unsure if this should be characterized as leverage or force, but it resulted in the appointment of a special counsel.

Setanta wrote:

Say . . . you wouldn't be interested in buying a nifty and potentially profitable bridge, would ya?

No thank you.

1 Reply

I remember taking a logic course in high school 65 years ago. Do you suppose that's why republicans don't do logical thinking? It was so long ago they've forgot how to do it.

0 Replies

@neptuneblue,

neptuneblue wrote:

Those assumptions do not work for the American President though. The main assumption is that a sitting president cannot be indicted for any crime because they still would be the authoritative figure of our country. The next rule would be to impeach, to remove the president from their duties, which clears the process into prosecution for crimes committed while in Office.

The Mueller investigation did not indict Trump but without being able to see the evidence of any crime committed, impeachment is off the table too. That's why it's important to release the report. We don't know if any crime was committed, we just have an AG summary specifying there's no indictment forthcoming.

It's a round-robin discussion.

For God's sake, does it not occur to you that the Department of Justice may take a couple of weeks to process a document of this size, checking for items that might have to be redacted, before releasing it? Do you believe the work can be done instantly? The reason you have a summary is because the AG wanted you to have the essence immediately. Just wait a few days and the rest will be out.

And, by the way, since you say, "those assumptions don't work for the president," I assume you are saying that people not charged with or formally accused of any crime at all should be under a permanent cloud of suspicion until they affirmatively prove their innocence, since that is what I said was false.

1 Reply

@Brandon9000,

Well, actually, no, I do not think it's an instantaneous process. Yet, we have the President claiming "complete exoneration." Which, btw, is NOT what the report said.

1 Reply

@neptuneblue,

neptuneblue wrote:

The Mueller investigation did not indict Trump but without being able to see the evidence of any crime committed, impeachment is off the table too.

Impeachment is already off the table.

neptuneblue wrote:

That's why it's important to release the report. We don't know if any crime was committed, we just have an AG summary specifying there's no indictment forthcoming.
It's a round-robin discussion.

So what? No one has any right to see the report even if it did contain evidence of wrongdoing.

I presume that a redacted version will be released because Barr said that he will be releasing a redacted version.

But there is no requirement for him to release anything at all. If anyone wants to see information from the redacted sections, that's their problem.

1 Reply

@oralloy,

Yep, I get that.

That's why it's being subpoenaed.

2 Replies

@neptuneblue,

Do you expect the White House to take any notice of the subpoenas?

1 Reply

@neptuneblue,

Quote:

That's why it's being subpoenaed.

A subpoena to break the law.

0 Replies

@oralloy,

I've already done so. The Democrats were powerless to "force" anything on a Republican Congress and a Republican administration. As always, you are unable to distinguish your silly, unsubstantiated opinions from fact.

2 Replies

@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

I've already done so.

No you haven't.

Setanta wrote:

The Democrats were powerless to "force" anything on a Republican Congress and a Republican administration.

They were able to provide public pressure for the appointment of a special counsel and get the justice department to blink and give in to that pressure. I don't know whether that counts as force or not.

Setanta wrote:

As always, you are unable to distinguish your silly, unsubstantiated opinions from fact.

That is incorrect. I can tell the difference between opinions and fact, as is demonstrated by the fact that I have never confused the two.

Of course opinions are unsubstantiated. They're opinions.

1 Reply

@oralloy,

I think circumstantial evidence needs clarifying. I think it looks pretty damn bad. I think the money trail leads to places that are not forthcoming to the American people. I think allegiances were formed contrary to American interests and policy. I think the pursuit of Trump's bottom line wasn't an American success, only Trump's success.

Which leads me to believe that he isn't the right American leader of the United States. Only an AG, loyal to Trump and not the American people, stands in the way.

So, bring it on.

1 Reply

@neptuneblue,

Bring what on?

I'm not sure what you are expecting to happen, but aside from some screaming and ranting by leftist politicians, nothing much is going to happen.

1 Reply

@oralloy,

Your claim about Democratic pressure is an opinion, not a fact. Once again, you cannot distinguish between opinion and fact.

1 Reply

@oralloy,

I'm not sure which is the best/worst option here.

Exactly, not much is going to happen.

A continual bombardment of Oversight Committees and push back of non-transparency of contra-American interests..

Or

A scoundrel in the White House, fleecing everybody from their hard earned right to survive. All the while, people like you and me are at odds with each other.

2 Replies

@Setanta,

Quote:

The Democrats were powerless to "force" anything on a Republican Congress

The Democrats had a weaponized CIA, FBI, DOJ, and the State Dept. They did whatever they wanted. Congress could not stop them.

0 Replies

@neptuneblue,

Quote:

A scoundrel in the White House, fleecing everybody from their hard earned right to survive.

Don't fall of your box. The drama is downing me out.

0 Replies

Mueller: No further indictments

Related Topics

Quick Links

My Account

able2know