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Mueller: No further indictments

 
 
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2019 02:28 am
Some on Mueller’s Team Say Report Was More Damaging Than Barr Revealed

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Some of Robert S. Mueller III’s investigators have told associates that Attorney General William P. Barr failed to adequately portray the findings of their inquiry and that they were more troubling for President Trump than Mr. Barr indicated, according to government officials and others familiar with their simmering frustrations.

At stake in the dispute — the first evidence of tension between Mr. Barr and the special counsel’s office — is who shapes the public’s initial understanding of one of the most consequential government investigations in American history. Some members of Mr. Mueller’s team are concerned that, because Mr. Barr created the first narrative of the special counsel’s findings, Americans’ views will have hardened before the investigation’s conclusions become public.

Mr. Barr has said he will move quickly to release the nearly 400-page report but needs time to scrub out confidential information. The special counsel’s investigators had already written multiple summaries of the report, and some team members believe that Mr. Barr should have included more of their material in the four-page letter he wrote on March 24 laying out their main conclusions, according to government officials familiar with the investigation. Mr. Barr only briefly cited the special counsel’s work in his letter.

However, the special counsel’s office never asked Mr. Barr to release the summaries soon after he received the report, a person familiar with the investigation said. And the Justice Department quickly determined that the summaries contain sensitive information, like classified material, secret grand-jury testimony and information related to current federal investigations that must remain confidential, according to two government officials.

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nyt
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2019 05:04 am
@hightor,
Yes. The Post has a piece up on this as well. I am not at all surprised. The amount of TOTAL EXONERATION deceit coming out daily from Trump, Fox, etc along with Trump's reversal of his earlier "release it all" line is a pretty compelling argument for the proposition that Barr is doing PR, not law or transparency.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2019 07:55 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Yes. The Post has a piece up on this as well. I am not at all surprised. The amount of TOTAL EXONERATION deceit coming out daily from Trump, Fox, etc along with Trump's reversal of his earlier "release it all" line is a pretty compelling argument for the proposition that Barr is doing PR, not law or transparency.


Doesn't that very article answer your previous questions about Muellers team?
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2019 09:10 am
@neptuneblue,
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The purpose was never to bring charges, it was to inform.

LIAR!!! The entire purpose of the investigation was to bring charges against Trump. The DNC and MSM have been saying so for 2 years. Did you miss the leftist Christmas Carol that was going around and being pushed by the MSM and the leftist entertainment elite? A Mueller Christmas, praying for "indictments next year". Every big name DNC politician was calling him a traitor and kept tell their brainless whelps that he as guilty. Adam Schiff still claims to have seen the guilt ridden evidence.

Take your "never bring charges" somewhere else.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2019 09:32 am
@Baldimo,
Screaming LIAR doesn't alleviate the fact that the DOJ isn't going to indict a sitting president.

And if people wouldn't lie about their criminal endeavors, then they wouldn't have been charged with...guess what....LYING.

See? My caps lock key works too.
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2019 10:04 am
@McGentrix,
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Doesn't that very article answer your previous questions about Muellers team?
I'm not certain what you mean here.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2019 10:21 am
@neptuneblue,
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Screaming LIAR doesn't alleviate the fact that the DOJ isn't going to indict a sitting president.

That isn't why I called you a liar, I called you a liar because of your lie about what the point of the investigation was about. It's full intent was to charge Trump with collusion, Mueller's team said on the day of the report release that there were no further indictments coming out, and no American was found to have worked with any Russian.

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And if people wouldn't lie about their criminal endeavors, then they wouldn't have been charged with...guess what....LYING.

People were charged with lying, but it had nothing to do with collusion and Russia, the entire point of the DNC backed investigation. The DNC spent the last 2 years telling us the President was a traitor, he was cleared.

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See? My caps lock key works too.

I'm happy your caps lock works, now maybe you can stop lying about the results of the investigation.
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2019 11:43 am
@Baldimo,
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People were charged with lying, but it had nothing to do with collusion and Russia, the entire point of the DNC backed investigation.

You're mistaken.
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The Special Counsel investigation of 2017 to 2019 (also referred to as the Mueller probe, Mueller report, Mueller investigation, and Russia investigation) was a United States law enforcement and counterintelligence investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. According to its authorizing document which was signed by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein on May 17, 2017, the investigation's scope included the allegation that there were links or coordination between Donald Trump's presidential campaign and the Russian government as well as "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation". The scope of the investigation also included potential obstruction of justice by Trump and others. Conducted by the Department of Justice Special Counsel's Office headed by Robert Mueller, a Republican and former Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Special Counsel investigation began eight days after President Trump dismissed FBI director James Comey, who had been leading existing FBI investigations since July 2016 into links between Trump associates and Russian officials. Following Comey's firing, over 130 Democratic Party lawmakers in Congress called for the appointment of a special counsel, while the FBI began investigating Trump for obstruction of justice. The special counsel's office took over both these investigations from the FBI.

wiki
No mention of the DNC. No stated intent to charge Trump with collusion.
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...and no American was found to have worked with any Russian.

Right. That would have been an illegal conspiracy. But there was obviously contact between the campaign and Russian representatives at the Trump Tower meeting. The amount of lying by Trump's team concerning anything to do with Russia is what suggested that there might have been something more than simple collusion.

As usual, it would make more sense to wait until more of the report is released and for the other grand juries to finish their work instead of trying to reach a conclusion simply because it fits with your biased narrative. Same thing goes for Trump's opponents. But there's nothing wrong with asking questions — the trouble is your providing "answers" prior to having access to evidence.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2019 11:50 am
@neptuneblue,
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Screaming LIAR doesn't alleviate the fact that the DOJ isn't going to indict a sitting president.

The fact there is nothing to indict Trump for has a lot to do with that too.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2019 11:56 am
@hightor,
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You're mistaken.

No I'm not. Hillary lost and the DNC lost their **** and started talking about Russia... the dossier, the entire reason for the start of the investigation, came from the DNC and the Hillary campaign.

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wiki
No mention of the DNC. No stated intent to charge Trump with collusion.

Go back to Nov. 9th 2016 and try that **** again, the entire Russia claim was pushed by the loser and her supporters.

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But there was obviously contact between the campaign and Russian representatives at the Trump Tower meeting. The amount of lying by Trump's team concerning anything to do with Russia is what suggested that there might have been something more than simple collusion.

The lie keeps going doesn't it, no collusion and no indictments against any American for working with Russia.

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As usual, it would make more sense to wait until more of the report is released

Keep telling yourself that, Mueller stated no indictments against any Americans for working with Russia.


hightor
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2019 01:04 pm
@Baldimo,
Do you realize how unprecedented a situation it was — a presidential campaign meeting with Russian representatives, a presidential candidate calling for improved ties with Russia while lying about having business interests there, a newly elected "nationalist" president saying this:
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“There are a lot of killers,” Trump responded. “We have a lot of killers. Well, you think our country is so innocent?”

Republican Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky offered a rather blunt rebuttal.

“Putin’s a former KGB agent,” McConnell said during an appearance on CNN’s State of the Union. “He's a thug. He was not elected in a way that most people would consider a credible election. The Russians annexed Crimea, invaded Ukraine and messed around in our elections. And no, I don't think there's any equivalency between the way the Russians conduct themselves and the way the United States does.”

complex
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The lie keeps going doesn't it, no collusion and no indictments against any American for working with Russia.

It's not a "lie", it's a theory and it's factually based.
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According to Rosenstein, the Russians “recruited and paid real Americans to engage in political activities, promote political campaigns and stage political rallies. The defendants and their co-conspirators pretended to be grassroots activists. According to the indictment, the Americans did not know that they were communicating with Russians.”

Later, Rosenstein noted that, “the nature of the scheme was the defendants took extraordinary steps to make it appear that they were ordinary American political activists, even going so far as to base their activities on a virtual private network here in the United States so, if anybody traced it back to that first jump, they appeared to be Americans.”

In other words, those who may have been paid by the Russians for social media ads, or to stage rallies, did not knowingly collude with the Russians.

factcheck
What if Obama had been accused of some illegal conspiracy and Lynch had to recuse herself because of some connection to the case or had quit the administration? And then Obama chooses, as his new attorney general, someone who expressly states that Obama can't be indicted and that he sees no likely criminal activity. And when the Special Prosecutor turns over the 300 page report to the AG, the AG promptly announces to the Republican congress that the report clears the president. Don't you think that Republicans might be a bit curious as to how that decision was reached in light of what was known, suspected, or leaked?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2019 01:07 pm
@hightor,
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factcheck

How were those facts they checked on Russian collusion? How did those work out?
RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2019 01:17 pm
@hightor,
Haven't you noticed when a fact about republican collusion and wrongdoing that can't be argued with, their only comeback is always but Obama or Clinton did this or that? That's when you know you scored a hit even in their diseased minds.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2019 01:19 pm
@coldjoint,
No one knows because the government won't release an unredacted copy of the report.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2019 01:26 pm
@RABEL222,
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No one knows because the government won't release an unredacted copy of the report.

Because it is against the law that Democrats have 0 respect for.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2019 01:28 pm
@RABEL222,
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Obama or Clinton did this or that?

When they are properly investigated you will find out. Until then they are just as guilty as you think Trump is.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2019 01:41 pm
@RABEL222,
In logic, this is known as the tu quoque fallacy.
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Tu quoque (/tjuːˈkwoʊkwi, tuːˈkwoʊkweɪ/;[1] Latin for "you also"), or the appeal to hypocrisy, is a fallacy that intends to discredit the opponent's argument by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with its conclusion(s).

...It is a fallacy because the moral character or actions of the opponent are generally irrelevant to the logic of the argument.[3] It is often used as a red herring tactic and is a special case of the ad hominem fallacy, which is a category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of facts about the person presenting or supporting the claim or argument.[4]


It's a very common fallacy. One can understand why people get suckered into accepting it but it is fallacious.

In my view, a serious omission in education curricula in the US and Canada is introductory study of logical fallacies. This could be done at the later elementary grades or certainly in high school (given a properly devised set of lesson plans sidestepping the barriers created by Greek/Latin nomenclature). It would provide students with a very valuable bullshit-detection toolkit. And that would be good for everyone except the bullshitters.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2019 01:52 pm
@blatham,
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...It is a fallacy because the moral character or actions of the opponent are generally irrelevant to the logic of the argument.

Those two words leave you out of the discussion. You are a proven liar and extremely deficient of any moral character. Your history of wishing total strangers dead is a good example.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2019 02:19 pm
Hypocrites always try to argue that condemnation of double standards should be considered a fallacy.

Ethical people oppose hypocrisy and double standards.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 4 Apr, 2019 02:26 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:
Republicans have a horror of facts. One would think they are allergic to truthful facts.

Every time I post facts it's always the left that throws a temper tantrum.
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