If Jesus died to forgive us, then why is there a Hell?

Its simple really... He died for all who are willing to receive the free gift of salvation. It says in the Bible if you are saved you belong to God, and if you are not saved God says you are a child of satan.

Hell is for those who choose satan over God, people who are not saved.

Its simple really... He died for all who are willing to receive the free gift of salvation. It says in the Bible if you are saved you belong to God, and if you are not saved God says you are a child of satan.

Hell is for those who choose satan over God, people who are not saved.

I don't plan to argue with you, that's not my style. I'm not into debating, it goes nowhere. I have my beliefs just like anyone else. I don't owe anyone an explanation as to why I believe.

I will say this though, God did not make man to burn in hell, but He did give man freedom to choose Him or the devil. Just like God did not make or intend the devil to turn evil and trick over a third of the angels. The devil chose to grow hate and jealousy in his heart, and God banished him out because he was planning a revolt.

I'm no expert and I don't claim to be, but I'm also not ignorant of the devil and his devices.

If you choose to not serve God and serve the enemy that is your God given free will to do so, but as for me and my house we will serve the Lord.

Have any more questions for me feel free to ask, but I will not debate or reply to someone who is just looking to bicker back and forth.

Woman4Christ wrote:

I don't plan to argue with you, that's not my style. I'm not into debating, it goes nowhere. I have my beliefs just like anyone else. I don't owe anyone an explanation as to why I believe.

I will say this though, God did not make man to burn in hell, but He did give man freedom to choose Him or the devil. Just like God did not make or intend the devil to turn evil and trick over a third of the angels. The devil chose to grow hate and jealousy in his heart, and God banished him out because he was planning a revolt.

I'm no expert and I don't claim to be, but I'm also not ignorant of the devil and his devices.

If you choose to not serve God and serve the enemy that is your God given free will to do so, but as for me and my house we will serve the Lord.

Have any more questions for me feel free to ask, but I will not debate or reply to someone who is just looking to bicker back and forth.

Once again. If god were omniscient he would have known before I even began to exist which side I would chose right? So what would be the point in creating me if he knew I would never chose god? It would mean my whole existence was meant to be tortured for eternity. In other words god would have created me so that I could be punished.

Unless god isn't all-knowing and has no clue what choice I will make. So which is it? If god is all-knowing then I exist purely to be punished and tortured for eternity. Nice god. Why you think this is a great thing points directly to your inner being. You are fine with a god who is willing to create beings so they can be punished for eternity. That is sad.

Thankfully there isn't a god at all or this existence would be absurd.

Krumple wrote:

Woman4Christ wrote:

I don't plan to argue with you, that's not my style. I'm not into debating, it goes nowhere. I have my beliefs just like anyone else. I don't owe anyone an explanation as to why I believe.

I will say this though, God did not make man to burn in hell, but He did give man freedom to choose Him or the devil. Just like God did not make or intend the devil to turn evil and trick over a third of the angels. The devil chose to grow hate and jealousy in his heart, and God banished him out because he was planning a revolt.

I'm no expert and I don't claim to be, but I'm also not ignorant of the devil and his devices.

If you choose to not serve God and serve the enemy that is your God given free will to do so, but as for me and my house we will serve the Lord.

Have any more questions for me feel free to ask, but I will not debate or reply to someone who is just looking to bicker back and forth.

Once again. If god were omniscient he would have known before I even began to exist which side I would chose right? So what would be the point in creating me if he knew I would never chose god? It would mean my whole existence was meant to be tortured for eternity. In other words god would have created me so that I could be punished.

Unless god isn't all-knowing and has no clue what choice I will make. So which is it? If god is all-knowing then I exist purely to be punished and tortured for eternity. Nice god. Why you think this is a great thing points directly to your inner being. You are fine with a god who is willing to create beings so they can be punished for eternity. That is sad.

Thankfully there isn't a god at all or this existence would be absurd.

You are as unreasonable in suggesting it is certain there are no gods...as she is in suggesting it is certain there is a GOD, Krumple.

You would do the "let's get religion off our back" camp a big favor to recognize that.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Krumple wrote:

Woman4Christ wrote:

I don't plan to argue with you, that's not my style. I'm not into debating, it goes nowhere. I have my beliefs just like anyone else. I don't owe anyone an explanation as to why I believe.

I will say this though, God did not make man to burn in hell, but He did give man freedom to choose Him or the devil. Just like God did not make or intend the devil to turn evil and trick over a third of the angels. The devil chose to grow hate and jealousy in his heart, and God banished him out because he was planning a revolt.

I'm no expert and I don't claim to be, but I'm also not ignorant of the devil and his devices.

If you choose to not serve God and serve the enemy that is your God given free will to do so, but as for me and my house we will serve the Lord.

Have any more questions for me feel free to ask, but I will not debate or reply to someone who is just looking to bicker back and forth.

Once again. If god were omniscient he would have known before I even began to exist which side I would chose right? So what would be the point in creating me if he knew I would never chose god? It would mean my whole existence was meant to be tortured for eternity. In other words god would have created me so that I could be punished.

Unless god isn't all-knowing and has no clue what choice I will make. So which is it? If god is all-knowing then I exist purely to be punished and tortured for eternity. Nice god. Why you think this is a great thing points directly to your inner being. You are fine with a god who is willing to create beings so they can be punished for eternity. That is sad.

Thankfully there isn't a god at all or this existence would be absurd.

You are as unreasonable in suggesting it is certain there are no gods...as she is in suggesting it is certain there is a GOD, Krumple.

You would do the "let's get religion off our back" camp a big favor to recognize that.

Without any supporting evidence there is no reason to believe a god exists or any gods for that matter.

Just like I don't believe gremlins or fairies exist. I am justified by the lack of supporting evidence. A universe that exists in no way supports the existence of a god for said universe to exist. But even if I am wrong and there is a god, it still does not get you to christianity's version or vision of god and god's traits.

If we actually used your line of reasoning we would never be able to come to any verdict on murder trials since the bogyman or big foot could have been the murderer not the suspect on trial.

Krumple wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Krumple wrote:

Woman4Christ wrote:

I don't plan to argue with you, that's not my style. I'm not into debating, it goes nowhere. I have my beliefs just like anyone else. I don't owe anyone an explanation as to why I believe.

I will say this though, God did not make man to burn in hell, but He did give man freedom to choose Him or the devil. Just like God did not make or intend the devil to turn evil and trick over a third of the angels. The devil chose to grow hate and jealousy in his heart, and God banished him out because he was planning a revolt.

I'm no expert and I don't claim to be, but I'm also not ignorant of the devil and his devices.

If you choose to not serve God and serve the enemy that is your God given free will to do so, but as for me and my house we will serve the Lord.

Have any more questions for me feel free to ask, but I will not debate or reply to someone who is just looking to bicker back and forth.

Once again. If god were omniscient he would have known before I even began to exist which side I would chose right? So what would be the point in creating me if he knew I would never chose god? It would mean my whole existence was meant to be tortured for eternity. In other words god would have created me so that I could be punished.

Unless god isn't all-knowing and has no clue what choice I will make. So which is it? If god is all-knowing then I exist purely to be punished and tortured for eternity. Nice god. Why you think this is a great thing points directly to your inner being. You are fine with a god who is willing to create beings so they can be punished for eternity. That is sad.

Thankfully there isn't a god at all or this existence would be absurd.

You are as unreasonable in suggesting it is certain there are no gods...as she is in suggesting it is certain there is a GOD, Krumple.

You would do the "let's get religion off our back" camp a big favor to recognize that.

Without any supporting evidence there is no reason to believe a god exists or any gods for that matter.

I was not commenting on what you "believe" or guess about the existence of gods.

I was commenting on your certainty that gods do not exist.

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Just like I don't believe gremlins or fairies exist. I am justified by the lack of supporting evidence. A universe that exists in no way supports the existence of a god for said universe to exist. But even if I am wrong and there is a god, it still does not get you to christianity's version or vision of god and god's traits.

I was not commenting on what you "believe" or guess about the existence of gods...and I was not commenting on whether or not the god these people worship exists.

I was commenting on your certainty that gods do not exist.

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If we actually used your line of reasoning we would never be able to come to any verdict on murder trials since the bogyman or big foot could have been the murderer not the suspect on trial.

Nonsense.

Bottom line is: You are as unreasonable in suggesting it is certain there are no gods...as she is in suggesting it is certain there is a GOD, Krumple.

You would do the "let's get religion off our back" camp a big favor to recognize that.

Frank this has been explained to you multiple times.

If I claim there are invisible cars that drive a long the streets but you have no way of determining they are there how ever can you ever cross a street on foot? You can't without worrying that you might get run over by an invisible car. So I take it you are a person who can't cross the street in fear of invisible cars? Your line of reasoning does NOT match with how you actually behave according to reality. You are just another who wants to seem superior with your leaving the door open to any and all possibilities. It's bullshit because everything else you come across does not get the same treatment. Or maybe you won't end up in the field of reeds..

Hell is for fools and those who put them there.

Logic is God.