If Jesus died to forgive us, then why is there a Hell?

your challenge "you cannot find instances of your god on the scene being kind, considerate, loving."
How about leading the Israelites out of Egypt, feeding them in the wilderness for 40 years! Need more!? I could go on ALL nite!!! I really don't mind having intelligent discussion with rational people. Can you be rational and polite or do you have to revert to profanity and vulgarity. I heard it said once that you can some up a person by their vocabulary.

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so now you revert to someone elses logic and not your own. Read for yourself. The people who died were rebellious towards God. In those day if you wanted to live some where and people were already there then you had to fight for it. They people that were living in the land the God was giving to the Israelites did not fear God. They mocked Him and chose to live their own way. God chose then to give the land to a people that did fear Him. Now they still weren't perfect, they grew impatient and tried to do things their way but the difference with them was that they were correctable. When God put His foot down (so to speak) they listened. They other groups did not listen.

so now you revert to someone elses logic and not your own. Read for yourself. The people who died were rebellious towards God. In those day if you wanted to live some where and people were already there then you had to fight for it. They people that were living in the land the God was giving to the Israelites did not fear God. They mocked Him and chose to live their own way. God chose then to give the land to a people that did fear Him. Now they still weren't perfect, they grew impatient and tried to do things their way but the difference with them was that they were correctable. When God put His foot down (so to speak) they listened. They other groups did not listen.

Reality, however, is that no god had anything to do with the atrocities committed by ancient, barbaric people. The tragedy is that there are millions of Christians who believe that these massacres happened just as the Bible says, and so they think that God ordered the killing of children and babies. They lean over backwards . . . to try to explain why an all-merciful God would have ordered the killing of children. So the problem is not what ancient people said in the writings they left behind in highly superstitious times; the problem is the people in our enlightened times who are still so shackled to superstition that they believe the ancient ones were writing inerrant truths.

Yes, and God did not kill them. The people did. If God was so terrible, he would have smote them all where they stood. No, he gave them a chance to live or die in combat. Doesn't sound much different from today.

so now you revert to someone elses logic and not your own. Read for yourself. The people who died were rebellious towards God. In those day if you wanted to live some where and people were already there then you had to fight for it. They people that were living in the land the God was giving to the Israelites did not fear God. They mocked Him and chose to live their own way. God chose then to give the land to a people that did fear Him. Now they still weren't perfect, they grew impatient and tried to do things their way but the difference with them was that they were correctable. When God put His foot down (so to speak) they listened. They other groups did not listen.

Hello! If Adam and Eve had never sinned, they would still be here and we would not have war and crime and sickness and death.

It is not God's fault that any of those folks died.

Neo, stop and think. Sickness and death are part of the life cycle of all living things. It is not just a concept for humans. Humans are not that much different biologically from other animals on this earth.

mesquite wrote:

Neo, stop and think. Sickness and death are part of the life cycle of all living things. It is not just a concept for humans. Humans are not that much different biologically from other animals on this earth.

OK, I'm sorry. I just figured that since some of the folks were using the bible to trash the God of the bible, I would just bring up an explanation based on the bible.

You see; if the bible is correct, then all this talk about how nasty is God for killing all those 'innocents' is simply a straw man.

your challenge "you cannot find instances of your god on the scene being kind, considerate, loving."
How about leading the Israelites out of Egypt, feeding them in the wilderness for 40 years!

Need more!?

I could go on ALL nite!!!

I really don't mind having intelligent discussion with rational people. Can you be rational and polite or do you have to revert to profanity and vulgarity. I heard it said once that you can some up a person by their vocabulary.

hmmmm

The story of Joseph, sold into slavery by his brothers and eventually is second in command and ends up saving the entire country and able to bring his family to live in the city!

so now you revert to someone elses logic and not your own. Read for yourself. The people who died were rebellious towards God. In those day if you wanted to live some where and people were already there then you had to fight for it. They people that were living in the land the God was giving to the Israelites did not fear God. They mocked Him and chose to live their own way. God chose then to give the land to a people that did fear Him. Now they still weren't perfect, they grew impatient and tried to do things their way but the difference with them was that they were correctable. When God put His foot down (so to speak) they listened. They other groups did not listen.

No one would ever have died were it not for the sin of Adam and Eve and their recruiter, Satan. So let's put the blame for all this where it rightly belongs.

On a pizza in a 450 degree oven

Hello! If Adam and Eve had never sinned, they would still be here and we would not have war and crime and sickness and death.

It is not God's fault that any of those folks died.

mesquite wrote:

Neo, stop and think. Sickness and death are part of the life cycle of all living things. It is not just a concept for humans. Humans are not that much different biologically from other animals on this earth.

OK, I'm sorry. I just figured that since some of the folks were using the bible to trash the God of the bible, I would just bring up an explanation based on the bible.

You see; if the bible is correct, then all this talk about how nasty is God for killing all those 'innocents' is simply a straw man.