If Jesus died to forgive us, then why is there a Hell?

You are the dancer, Neo.

But best you don't take the challenge....because every time the god of the Bible is on the scene...he is either punishing someone, threatening punishment, killing them, requiring them to kill someone else...and all the other barbaric nonsense I've previously mentioned.

You know you don't have a leg to stand on in this challenge....so you are taking the coward's way out. Pretending you are not dodging....and accusing others of doing the dodging you are doing.

You're a joke, Neo.

Frank Apisa wrote:

You are the dancer, Neo.

But best you don't take the challenge....because every time the god of the Bible is on the scene...he is either punishing someone, threatening punishment, killing them, requiring them to kill someone else...and all the other barbaric nonsense I've previously mentioned.

You know you don't have a leg to stand on in this challenge....so you are taking the coward's way out. Pretending you are not dodging....and accusing others of doing the dodging you are doing.

You're a joke, Neo.

Frank, we all deserve to die. What difference does it make how that eventuality comes about? Read my post again, Frank. I more than answered your question. I don't ask you to believe it. Just know it is your answer.

Neologist - You go girl!

I love what you post to Frank in response to his posts.

I see that I am not the only one that Frank calls names (You are a joke Neo). Well, Frank will not have the last laugh, guaranteed.

And, even if you or anyone else were to accept Frank's challenge; it wouldn't matter. I believe he will twist and distort things to continually say you or anyone who believes is wrong.

I don't understand why he just can't find that "maturity" and just flat out say, I don't believe and that's my right and you do believe and that's your right. And just leave it at that.

It would be different if the challenge was offered in the spirit of "maybe we can all learn something here." But, IMO, it is offered to just continue the negative attitude he has been showing.

I know who would win, you know who would win, and Frank, it ain't you!

Deuteronomy 6: Do no test the Lord...

Frank, what part of that don't you get? Satan asked Jesus to do basically the same thing you are challenging and if Jesus wouldn't take him up on the offer, why would a mere mortal?

I don't think it would matter if God Himself came down and sat in front of you and told you the truth.

You asked me a question. I told you I was going to research it. I did. In my opinion and experience, those that do not believe pick apart everything and will use the Bible to twist it to their beliefs, using only the referenced scripture they interpret as backing up their non-belief.

The fact is this, I believe what the Bible says. I believe it is God-breathed and God inspired. I believe in Jesus Christ as the Savior. I believe He died on the cross to save me from my sins. And I believe He is going to be coming again soon and I am going to be going to be with Him for eternity because that is what He has promised me.

I believe that the ways of God are way beyond the understanding of mere mortal man. He's God, how could anyone totally understand something so divine and perfect?

He is my hope, my salvation, and my joy. And if you don't get it, then you don't get it. But, just because you don't believe you attack with criticizing words. What's up with that? If you feel your position is so strong, why do you feel the need to inject words like "nonsensical blather?" I understood what it said. If you didn't, then you didn't. So what?

There is one thing I really do not understand about those that do not believe. If, as they say they don't believe, then why in the world do they work so doggone hard to try to prove wrong those of us that do believe?

Surely, you (and others) are not doing it for the believers' welfare.

And let me say this to you, even the devil knows the Bible. The devil uses Bible scripture himself. Except he perverts and twists it to his own will. And he does that because he thinks he is as good as God, but he isn't. He merely mimics God.

Now, I answered your question about resolving the conflict of the Old Testament God and the New Testament God. If you don't like it, then don't accept it.

And I apologize for not making it easier to read by using paragraphs. And I kind of figured you would have enjoyed that "huge blob of unparagraphed (except for that part of no paragraphs) nonsensical blather since I find your posts a bit hard to read and you seem to relish that. I thought maybe you could at least relate to that part.

You cannot take the Bible in parts. You need an understanding of the whole concept. It reminds me of a jury who doesn't get all the pertinent information and is asked to make a judgement. Unless you have a full understanding or are at least willing to listen to it, how do you expect to make any informed decision?

Now, is there anything else I can clear up for you?

According to some verses in the bible, god is jesus and jesus is god. If he died to save humanity, he really wasn't dead in any sense of the word. Once dead, you cannot bring yourself back to life. Even an omnipotent god can't do that. The definition of "dead" has only one meaning. Otherwise, he wasn't dead or he can't possible be god and jesus. So many contradictions. How do they keep all this stuff straight in their brain?

I think that if there is a god he/she would be awfully pissed about the depiction provided in the Bible.

The only twisting going on was by the author of that piece.

The fear of mortality is a strong motivator for some.

Given that belief, why do you find it so easy to accept mythical stories written thousands of years ago by relatively unsophisticated, relatively unknowledgeable, superstitious ancient Hebrews? (thats Frank)

I was using words that seemed descriptive of what was written. It was mostly about what someone might wish the Bible said rather than what it does say. Whenever I bring up a specific point about what is written, you pass and go into what you believe.

An all powerful God and an all powerful Devil battle for control of our little human minds using a book....OK, different strokes."

Yes, you did answer it. I hope you had your fingers crossed when you said there was no difference. Do you think Jesus would have said to stone a man to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath?

If you find my posts hard to read, I am open to constructive criticism.

Just a few days ago you remarked that you knew very little about the Old Testament. You refuse to discuss it and yet you speak about full understanting?

What is your opinion of 1 Corinthians 14:34-35?

Neologist, you don't believe in the Holy Trinity?

Amigo,

Are your comments meant to amuse or are they what you believe?