If Jesus died to forgive us, then why is there a Hell?

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Why didn't God warn Adam and Eve about the hellish barbecue before they sinned? It would seem only fair.

Didn't he say in Genesis that if they ate of the fruit, they would surely die?

And....they ate the fruit, and death entered the world.

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This is not vanity, you are either with him, or against him.

That sounds like George Bush. If we lived in Roman times the conservatives would deify Bush and Reagan, attribute miracles to him (as witnessed by hundreds of people) and have him make a full body ascension into heaven.

You either with me or against me; yup your God sounds more and more like a human and not a God.

thunder_runner32 wrote:

How can you even start to believe that your arguments will hold up?

It seems you didn't understand my sarcasm. According to Newsweek in and article they did on Christianity there are over 33,000 different Christian sects in this world today. Most all have some variation of the Christian God. Some of their Gods will send you to hell for the dumbest things and some will send no one to hell. All these Gods have different rules, different demands, different obligations.

Christianity is a cafeteria religion. Go out, pick a God, attribute to him any law or rule you like, find a scripture in the Bible that supports your God and "his" rules and ignore anything that contradicts you new Christian religion.

thunder_runner32 wrote:

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It is obvious you have zero understanding of the bible. Here's a tip, read the whole thing before you start to even try to attack it.

You don't know how many times I've heard this. Perhaps you should re-read the Bible. Make note of all the innocent men, women, children and fetuses you God has slaughtered. Make note of the reason why he slaughtered them. Then tell yourself that God is the most perfect being in the Universe. He can do no wrong. His example should be followed by all. We should behave as much like God as we can because He is the most Perfect being in existence.

So killing people is good, especially children. How do you punish criminals? Kill their children. God showed us how with the Egyptians. It's in the Bible; read it!

How does God get respect? Through fear; believe in me or die a horrible death in Hell.

Another fine example God of the Bible has set for us.

I have not nor will I ever read the WHOLE Bible. First of all it's BORING but more important is it make me sick to my stomach to see how the God of the Bible treats people. He is cruel, unjust, hypocritical and barbaric.

One thing I have learned from those who have had NDE; you never have to fear God, no matter what your beliefs are. All NDEr's whom I have read about say the Light is love and no one has to fear love.

Can't say that for your God, can you.

Jesus did not die to forgive us and there is no hell. This is a silly question

Dogs say "He feeds me, he looks out for me, he cleans up after me, he cares for me. He must be God."

Cats say "He feeds me, he looks out for me, he cleans up after me, he cares for me. I must be God."

This topic has "Jesus" in it's name.

That means there will be quotations instead of logic
and reference instead of thought.
Subnested and cross-referenced
spiritual.vs.physical.vs.ego-fulfilling semantics.

The resurrection of Jesus was the same as a flower.

Sit.

Sit and listen. Rather than demand.

ebrown_p wrote:

Dogs say "He feeds me, he looks out for me, he cleans up after me, he cares for me. He must be God."

Cats say "He feeds me, he looks out for me, he cleans up after me, he cares for me. I must be God."

YES YES YES!! I love dogs like mad - we should have bumper stickers just for them:

- To his dog, every man is a Napolean
- Is there a dog heaven? If there are no dogs - it isn't heaven.

cats? Oh purlease - all they are are just furry live pillows on your lap.

For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.[/i]

Would it be possible that the word dog has two meanings and the one used above is dog as in bad person?

When it comes to the Holy Bobble, you can make it say Any-Damned-Thing you want it to say . . .