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Should DeLay resign

 
 
mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2005 05:40 pm
To answer the question that started this whole thread,NO DeLay should NOT resign.

He should tell the Dems in congress to kiss his ass,and make them PROVE their allegations against him.
If he resigns,the dems win.

Also,since the dems have declared war on repubs,its time the repubs do the same thing to the dems.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2005 05:51 pm
mysteryman wrote:
Also,since the dems have declared war on repubs,its time the repubs do the same thing to the dems.


the republicans did that a long time ago, mysteryman.
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2005 07:00 pm
As a mate of mine in Tx has it, "sometimes you have to drop the bomb and live in the ashes." Sounds like it's time for DeLay to face up to it.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2005 07:42 pm
goodfielder wrote:
As a mate of mine in Tx has it, "sometimes you have to drop the bomb and live in the ashes." Sounds like it's time for DeLay to face up to it.


yeah tom. quit using your fellow republicans as a human shield.

there. i said that republicans are human. everybody happy now ?? :wink:
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2005 08:42 pm
You say human, I want humane. You say potato I say potarto....
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2005 05:20 pm
Search AP Story Archive Apr 20, 10:40 AM EDT
DeLay Continues Attacks on Federal Courts

By JESSE J. HOLLAND
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- House Majority Leader Tom DeLay says Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy's work from the bench has been "incredibly outrageous," his latest salvo at the federal judiciary in the weeks following the courts' refusal to stop Terri Schiavo's death.

DeLay also labeled a lot of the courts' Republican appointees as "judicial activists," a term applied by conservatives to judges they dislike for not following what they call strict interpretations of the Constitution.

The No. 2 Republican in the House has been openly critical of the federal courts since they refused to order the reinsertion of Schiavo's feeding tube. And he pointed to Kennedy as an example of Republican members of the Supreme Court who were activist and isolated.

"Absolutely. We've got Justice Kennedy writing decisions based upon international law, not the Constitution of the United States? That's just outrageous," DeLay told Fox News Radio on Tuesday. "And not only that, but he said in session that he does his own research on the Internet? That is just incredibly outrageous."

continued
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DELAY_JUDGES?SITE=1010WINS&SECTION=POLITICS&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

I wonder where Delay got his law degree from. I don't suppose they give one in exterminator school.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2005 06:31 pm
clutching at straws
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2005 07:08 pm
And I thought we had idiot politicians, this bloke takes the cake. How dare a judge refer to ferrin cases! And using the internet! The devil's tool!

This is too funny. Don't make him quit, it's too funny for words! Very Happy
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2005 02:18 am
goodfielder wrote:
And I thought we had idiot politicians, this bloke takes the cake. How dare a judge refer to ferrin cases! And using the internet! The devil's tool!

This is too funny. Don't make him quit, it's too funny for words! Very Happy


easy for you to say. we gotta live with 'em
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2005 06:10 am
I don't want a resignation. I want the ethics committee rules changes undone. At least, I want the second one first.
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2005 06:56 am
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
goodfielder wrote:
And I thought we had idiot politicians, this bloke takes the cake. How dare a judge refer to ferrin cases! And using the internet! The devil's tool!

This is too funny. Don't make him quit, it's too funny for words! Very Happy


easy for you to say. we gotta live 'em


You're right, I should be ashamed of myself. Still, it IS funny :wink:
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 22 Apr, 2005 10:40 am
Back to Senate Ethics for a moment -

Quote:
Pelosi pressed for trip records

By Charles Hurt
THE WASHINGTON TIMES



House Republicans yesterday called on Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi to provide documentation to prove that a Washington lobbyist firm did not pay for a trip she and other Democrats took to Puerto Rico in 2001.
"We feel that such lingering questions undermine the integrity of the institution and we hope [the questions] will be cleared up as soon as possible," wrote Republican Reps. Patrick T. McHenry of North Carolina and Lynn Westmoreland of Georgia.
The Washington Times reported earlier this week that Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, Ohio Democrat and member of the House ethics committee, listed a registered lobbyist as the trip's sponsor. House rules prohibit registered lobbyists from paying for travel by members.
On travel disclosure forms filed with the House clerk, Mrs. Pelosi and others on the trip listed a group called Todo Puerto Rico con Vieques as its sponsor.
After the discrepancy was made public, Mrs. Jones amended her travel disclosure form to match those of Mrs. Pelosi and other travelers. A spokeswoman in Mrs. Jones' office blamed the conflicting information on "human error" but declined to provide proof that the trip was paid for by Todo Puerto Rico con Vieques, rather than D.C. lobbyist Smith, Dawson & Andrews.
Mrs. Pelosi also refused to provide any such documentation, and testily dismissed questions yesterday about the matter.
"There's no discrepancy in the records on my trip," the California Democrat said. "So that's all I can answer for."
Meanwhile, Rep. Tom Feeney, Florida Republican, yesterday became the latest to be ensnared in the escalating bipartisan hunt for ethical lapses in congressional travel.
Mr. Feeney and his wife traveled from Orlando to West Palm Beach, Fla., to deliver a speech in November 2003. According to records he filed with the House clerk, the $1,946 tab for the trip was picked up by Rotterman & Associates, a North Carolina-based lobbying firm.
Mr. Feeney amended his report this week, saying the California-based Center for the Study of Popular Culture had funded the trip.
The charges and countercharges about congressional travel come amid a prolonged standoff between Democrats and Republicans that has kept the House Committee on Standards of Official Conduct from meeting this year.
The questions also come after months of claims against Majority Leader Tom DeLay, accused of accepting a trip paid for by a lobbyist. Mr DeLay and the nonprofit group he listed as the trip's sponsor insist the lobbyist did not pay the bill.
Mrs. Pelosi has called for a full investigation into that matter, which is an inconsistency, say Mr. McHenry and Mr. Westmoreland.
"If you are serious that the mere allegation that a lobbyist paid for member travel warrants a full ethics investigation, it would seem that a member actually disclosing it as fact would more than merit it," the Republicans wrote.
"We would hope that you would come forward with any and all documentation your office has proving that in fact the group, Todo Puerto Rico con Vieques, initiated and paid for your trip," Mr. McHenry and Mr. Westmoreland added. "Ms. Jones' disclosures that a lobbyist in fact paid for it, and her subsequent statement that the lobbying firm handled the logistics, has created an appearance that the true source of the funds may not actually be Todo Puerto Rico con Vieques."
Jose Paralitici, who organized the group to oppose the U.S. Navy bombing range in Vieques, yesterday returned a telephone message left earlier in the week by The Times. Mr. Paralitici said he operates the group from his home and that the group paid for the 2001 trips.
Mr. Paralitici said he hadn't spoken to anyone in Congress this week but that he was volunteering the information after coming across The Times story on the Internet. He said the money to pay the more than $8,000 in travel bills came from "a lot of donations."
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 22 Apr, 2005 11:19 am
I haven't read the whole thread, but I would lay odds that there are precious few Congresspersons or Senators in Congress who have been there for more than one term who have not enjoyed a trip or other perks paid for by some 'special interest' group and/or have not put one or more relatives on the payroll or at the very least arranged for a colleague or the administration to put a relative on the payroll.

I'm guessing Tom Delay doesn't have clean hands in every accusation the Dems have made against him, but I am guessing there are many Dems who are backing off before they get sucked into the scandal machine with everybody else. Smile
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 22 Apr, 2005 11:22 am
which is a damn good reason to have a real/legitimate ethics over-sight without political bias. Get all the creeps out of office.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Fri 22 Apr, 2005 12:02 pm
dyslexia wrote:
which is a damn good reason to have a real/legitimate ethics over-sight without political bias. Get all the creeps out of office.


yup.

but of course, this just today's spin.

the dems aren't really bothered because the condition to moving forward is to first change the rules, but that they are oh, so worried that they may be caught with cookie crumbs on their lapels.

somehow, the voices of the right manage to ignore that even some republicans are asking questions about delay.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 22 Apr, 2005 12:49 pm
I don't think anyone who actually thinks about such stuff ignores that there are questions which need answered. And I don't suspect for a moment everyone will be satisfied by whatever answers emerge. Again, thats politics.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 22 Apr, 2005 12:54 pm
If DeLay goes, Pelosi goes.

As we've said ad nauseum, (God, they make me sick) they're all dirty. Pelosi's looks worse, actually. Her trip partner accidentally told the truth about who pqid for their trip, and then had to go back and lie on the document in the worst cover up in the history of mankind.

Eww.
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revel
 
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Reply Fri 22 Apr, 2005 06:13 pm
Who cares about Pelosi one way or another? If it means getting rid of delay, go ahead. I never understood how she got where she is today in the democratic party anyway.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 22 Apr, 2005 06:25 pm
Me, too, actually. Seemed like she broke in line.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Fri 22 Apr, 2005 08:58 pm
now this is a red letter day... revel, lash and dtom on the same page. figuratively and literally. wow!

to be honest, i'd never even heard of her before she popped up last year.

here's a novel concept... why, just for once, don't the dems try getting someone that's kind of young. pump a little fresh blood into the old mortal coil. it's not like they'd be hurtin' for advice. there's always plenty of that around. ; > )-
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