Florida to end "leftist totalitarianism" by "dictator profs"

When did conservatives get to be such cry-babies?

Well here I go. My first post. I read it all and would it be safe to say those who are of the more liberal persuasion see no problem on college campuses? Or is it campi?

Chiczaira was quite right that in most colleges these days the student who wants a top grade better know the professor's politics before he or she writes his first paper.

Music, fine arts, some of the math and sciences are pretty apolitical. But in any of the liberal arts curriculum, there is little room or support for any student with right leaning views. Of course students with no views at all don't notice nor do those who already think left. I had to learn the hard way.

When did c`onservatives get to be such crybabies ?says Drew Dad.case

Apparently Drew Dad does not know that the case reported by Nat Hentoff about gay and lesbian students at NYU objecting to a moot court exercise which covered a case of a divorced father vis a vis his lesbian wife----because their "feelings" would be hurt, is "crybabyism" raised to the highest level.

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

cjhsa wrote:

I'm a guy. I liberally banged as many liberal women as I could in college. Gave them up when I got back to reality.

now that is a sterling example of conservative "values". :wink:

Especially when you start adding up all the abortions he had to pay for when he knocked them all up.

I am very much afraid that Mr. Blatham(who says he has never heard of a professor trying to force an idea on to a student) is not aware of the more sophisticated ploys. So called "freedom of speech" does not exist if it offends the "feelings" of some on the left. "Rednecks"; Fundamentalists, People who live in the "red states"; People who live in "flyover country" are all fair game..but......as Nat Hentoff( a longtime defender of freedom of speech for all reports:

quote: "At most colleges, it is the administration that sets up the code. Because there have been racist or sexist or homophobic tuants, anonymous notes or graffiti, the administration feels it must do something. The cheapest quickest way to demonstrate that it cares is to appear to suppress racist, sexist homophobic speech"


And how is this done?

Hentoff reports:

"Students at NYULaw School have said that they have had to censor themsleves in class. The kind of chilling atmosphere they describe was exemplified in a case assigned for a moot court competition which became subject to denunciation when a sizeable number of law students said it was too "offensive" and would hurt the feelings of gay and lesbian students. The case concerned a divorced father's attempt to gain custody of his children on the grounds that the mother had become a lesbian. It was against PC to represent the father."

Perhaps Mr.Blatham would like to hear of more documented cases of the left's almost complete hegemony over the world of ideas in our major universities. Free Speech is the prerogative of the PC world of the left.

Conservative ideas are anathema in most of our most influential Universities.

Sure FAU Boca Campus
Mr Brooks first name is William
the class is Biology Prinicples

He's not really controversial or anything adn he knows his stuff he jsut gets a little boiled over on certain politcal issues. So please dont do something rash about it lol (like file a complaint). He gave us his phone number but I never wrote it down because I'm not big on contacting teachers.

I'm only doin this because you seem to be attacking my credibility.

Well here I go. My first post. I read it all and would it be safe to say those who are of the more liberal persuasion see no problem on college campuses? Or is it campi?

Chiczaira was quite right that in most colleges these days the student who wants a top grade better know the professor's politics before he or she writes his first paper. Music, fine arts, some of the math and sciences are pretty apolitical. But in any of the liberal arts curriculum, there is little room or support for any student with right leaning views. Of course students with no views at all don't notice nor do those who already think left. I had to learn the hard way.

A closed mind is a sad thing. I don't particularly care if you rock up to class with your mind locked into a Leftist or a Rightist mode. If you turn up at class seeking only to have your beliefs confirmed then you're wasting your time. Take another class. Leave your comfortably closed mind alone. Let it suppurate.

I can understand the thinking behind the bill,but I dont agree with it.

Let me give you an example...
I am a veteran of both the gulf war AND the current Iraq war,and am also a student at our local community college.
My history professor was talking about the gulf war,and was blaming the US for the war.
According to my professor,the Us instigated that war,and the crimes committed on the people of Kuwait by the Iraqi's didnt happen.
I objected,because I was with the first troops into Kuwait City,with the marines,and I SAW what the Iraqi's had done to the citizens of Kuwait.

When I objected,he basically told me that I was a liar and threw me out of his class.When I complained,his response was that I was "interupting his lesson plan by denying the facts"

When I replied that I was there and saw the truth,he dismissed me as being biased and pro war.

So,I am proof that there are some professors that dont want to hear anything that disrupts their own pet theories,but teachers of all political persuasions do it,not just liberals.

Let us speak of first-hand knowledge. Please detail for the rest of us here your own university experience...how many years, which universities, and the instances you personally experienced of enforced bias.

mystery man you won't find a liberal in this forum that applauds that type of teaching. That teacher is wrong and should be censured.
The point I want to make is that there are bad teachers on both sides of the aisles. Let the school administrations police their staff...don't enact more legislation for more torts

Blatham,
I did go to the dept head.
After talking to him,I now have a different professor,and the first one has been disciplined by the school.

blatham wrote:

Let us speak of first-hand knowledge. Please detail for the rest of us here your own university experience...how many years, which universities, and the instances you personally experienced of enforced bias.

You didn't ask me, but here are my experiences, speaking as a former student at the Ludwig Maximilians Universität in Munich, Germany. All of the following events happened in Munich while I was there.

1) One of our best behavioral biologists, Irenäus Eibl-Eibesfeld, held views on the 'nature vs. nurture' debate that are closer to the 'nature' side than some feminist and socialist campus activists were willing to tolerate. So those activists picketed his lectures and booed him down on a regular basis (I'd say about three times per semester.) University management never stepped in to protect his right to teach behavioral biology as he sees fit.

2) At the Geschwister Scholl Institute, one assistant professor (in American terms) downplayed the crimes of the Nazis and exaggerated the faults of the resistance movements. He was mobbed out of his position. The guy, whose name I don't remember, was a jerk, and I didn't lose any sleep about his departure, but that's not why he had to go. He had to go because he held a view that was radically out of the scientific mainstream, in a direction that's extremely unpopular in Germany for good historic reasons.

3) At a neighbor university, Michael Wolffsohn, a historian, frequently expresses ultra-conservative views about the ethics of war and law enforcement -- and his alma mater frequently consideres firing him for it. The latest round came in 2004 (I was out of college by then), when he said in an interview that he sometimes considers torture a legitimate means of gathering information. Again, I think he is grossly mistaken. But academic freedom isn't about protecting views we like -- it's about protecting views we hate, because those are the views that need protection in the first place. Wolffsohn still has his job -- but it's been several close shaves.

4) I have frequently heard professors in the humanities make comparable errors in the other direction: Downplaying the horrors of the Soviet Gulag; arguing that power plants are a legitimate target of civil disobedience, even armed resistance; erring by a ridiculously wide margin on the "nurture" side; attacking the practice that murderers with a life sentence usually get out of prison after 20 years in Germany, on the grounds that 20 years is too long for a "life sentence". Nothing ever happened to them. Not even a catcall.

I agree, though, that the Florida bill is a horrible idea. It is hard to see how the state would increase academic freedom, rather than decreasing it, by regulating what professors can say in their lectures.

I can understand the thinking behind the bill,but I dont agree with it.

So,I am proof that there are some professors that dont want to hear anything that disrupts their own pet theories,but teachers of all political persuasions do it,not just liberals.