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Florida to end "leftist totalitarianism" by "dictator profs"

 
 
DrewDad
 
Reply Wed 23 Mar, 2005 09:42 pm
This should please Foxfyre....

Capitol bill aims to control ?'leftist' profs

THE LAW COULD LET STUDENTS SUE FOR UNTOLERATED BELIEFS.

By JAMES VANLANDINGHAM
Alligator Staff Writer

TALLAHASSEE ?- Republicans on the House Choice and Innovation Committee voted along party lines Tuesday to pass a bill that aims to stamp out "leftist totalitarianism" by "dictator professors" in the classrooms of Florida's universities.

The Academic Freedom Bill of Rights, sponsored by Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala, passed 8-to-2 despite strenuous objections from the only two Democrats on the committee.

The bill has two more committees to pass before it can be considered by the full House.

While promoting the bill Tuesday, Baxley said a university education should be more than "one biased view by the professor, who as a dictator controls the classroom," as part of "a misuse of their platform to indoctrinate the next generation with their own views."

The bill sets a statewide standard that students cannot be punished for professing beliefs with which their professors disagree. Professors would also be advised to teach alternative "serious academic theories" that may disagree with their personal views.

According to a legislative staff analysis of the bill, the law would give students who think their beliefs are not being respected legal standing to sue professors and universities.

Students who believe their professor is singling them out for "public ridicule" - for instance, when professors use the Socratic method to force students to explain their theories in class - would also be given the right to sue.

"Some professors say, ?'Evolution is a fact. I don't want to hear about Intelligent Design (a creationist theory), and if you don't like it, there's the door,'" Baxley said, citing one example when he thought a student should sue.

Rep. Dan Gelber, D-Miami Beach, warned of lawsuits from students enrolled in Holocaust history courses who believe the Holocaust never happened.

Similar suits could be filed by students who don't believe astronauts landed on the moon, who believe teaching birth control is a sin or even by Shands medical students who refuse to perform blood transfusions and believe prayer is the only way to heal the body, Gelber added.

"This is a horrible step," he said. "Universities will have to hire lawyers so our curricula can be decided by judges in courtrooms. Professors might have to pay court costs ?- even if they win ?- from their own pockets. This is not an innocent piece of legislation."

The staff analysis also warned the bill may shift responsibility for determining whether a student's freedom has been infringed from the faculty to the courts.

But Baxley brushed off Gelber's concerns. "Freedom is a dangerous thing, and you might be exposed to things you don't want to hear," he said. "Being a businessman, I found out you can be sued for anything. Besides, if students are being persecuted and ridiculed for their beliefs, I think they should be given standing to sue."

During the committee hearing, Baxley cast opposition to his bill as "leftists" struggling against "mainstream society."

"The critics ridicule me for daring to stand up for students and faculty," he said, adding that he was called a McCarthyist.

Baxley later said he had a list of students who were discriminated against by professors, but refused to reveal names because he felt they would be persecuted.

Rep. Eleanor Sobel, D-Hollywood, argued universities and the state Board of Governors already have policies in place to protect academic freedom. Moreover, a state law outlining how professors are supposed to teach would encroach on the board's authority to manage state schools.

"The big hand of state government is going into the universities telling them how to teach," she said. "This bill is the antithesis of academic freedom."

But Baxley compared the state's universities to children, saying the legislature should not give them money without providing "guidance" to their behavior.

"Professors are accountable for what they say or do," he said. "They're accountable to the rest of us in society … All of a sudden the faculty think they can do what they want and shut us out. Why is it so unheard of to say the professor shouldn't be a dictator and control that room as their totalitarian niche?"

In an interview before the meeting, Baxley said "arrogant, elitist academics are swarming" to oppose the bill, and media reports misrepresented his intentions.

"I expect to be out there on my own pretty far," he said. "I don't expect to be part of a team."

House Bill H-837 can be viewed online at www.flsenate.gov.
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panzade
 
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Reply Wed 23 Mar, 2005 11:12 pm
Re: Florida to end "leftist totalitarianism" by &q
DrewDad wrote:
But Baxley compared the state's universities to children, saying the legislature should not give them money without providing "guidance" to their behavior.


Ahhh...these are heady times for the conservative legions
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 23 Mar, 2005 11:23 pm
I think this is a great bill. It should bring a level playing field to students against the elite in the Universities. I'm sure once this gets going, that most if not most of the professors will change the way the treat students.
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Instigate
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 12:30 am
"But Baxley brushed off Gelber's concerns. "Freedom is a dangerous thing, and you might be exposed to things you don't want to hear,""

This is disappointing coming from consevatives. We're supposed to try and quell our sue happy society, not promote it. How will this be enforced? To what effect?

Its more useless, ineffective legislation that is likely to be abused. They just keep whittling away.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 08:01 am
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"This is a horrible step," he (Gelber)said. "Universities will have to hire lawyers so our curricula can be decided by judges in courtrooms. Professors might have to pay court costs ?- even if they win ?- from their own pockets. This is not an innocent piece of legislation."


Hey, I thought the conservatives were all against "trial lawyers?"
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 08:08 am
... and frivolous lawsuits!
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 08:09 am
Just the ones that continually file frivolous law suits.
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rayban1
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 08:13 am
Legislation would not be required if "Wimp" college administrators would enforce true accademic freedom in the classroom. It is paradoxical that leftist professors are guilty of the crime in their classrooms that they are so quick to challenge when it comes to THEIR accademic freedom.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 08:16 am
It is completely assinine to try to legislate such a thing.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 08:38 am
I was under the impression that the United States encouraged freedom of thought.
Apparently, it only encourages right-wing freedom of thought.


On the bright side, the US can even "one-up" themselves as the most litigious country in the world if this goes through.
Glad to see suing is still en vogue.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 08:43 am
candidone1 wrote:
I was under the impression that the United States encouraged freedom of thought.
Apparently, it only encourages right-wing freedom of thought.

Oh, they're just trying to even out the playing field. You see, there's a left-wing consipiracy to indoctrinate students. You can see it: conservative kids who go to college come back as liberals. That's PROOF, I tell you, PROOF!

Nevermind the fact that if you don't like your college/university you could always just go somewhere else.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 09:52 am
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While promoting the bill Tuesday, Baxley said a university education should be more than "one biased view by the professor, who as a dictator controls the classroom," as part of "a misuse of their platform to indoctrinate the next generation with their own views."


I was instructed in a senior level political science course by a professor who was very right-wing.
I thought he was brilliant. He was well published, well spoken and well versed in his political philosophies.
I didn't agree with him on many accounts, but I nevertheless valued his perspective and would encourage such freedoms to continue.

Although a disguisting trend by the right (citing left-wing impotence whilst villifying Hollywood, the MSM, Universities & Colleges and other apparently leftist "outlets") it is interesting.
I see where some of the fascist accusations come into play now.
I didn't before.

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Clearly, there is a national trend toward stifling speech, usually in the context of criticizing President Bush or speaking out against the war in Iraq, but this is taking it to the next level. Taking things to the next level, however, is a natural for most Republicans.


Source
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Einherjar
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 10:04 am
The repubs are now the party of suing people who aren't being tolerant.

The anti-PC patrol wil be most displeased.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 10:16 am
I believe that's a rather huge leap Einherjar.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 10:17 am
What do you think of this proposed legislation, McG?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 10:20 am
I think it's silly.

I also believe college professors need to keep in mind the students pay to attend their classes and that students should be treated as customers.

I had to remind a professor of that during my college years. He didn't appreciate it.

This wouldn't be an issue if there wasn't an issue.
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Einherjar
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 10:28 am
McGentrix wrote:
I believe that's a rather huge leap Einherjar.


It was sort of tongue in cheek.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 10:29 am
McGentrix wrote:
I think it's silly.


Good for you, and I agree.

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I also believe college professors need to keep in mind the students pay to attend their classes and that students should be treated as customers.

I had to remind a professor of that during my college years. He didn't appreciate it.

This wouldn't be an issue if there wasn't an issue.


Why abandon free market principles in higher education? Professors should well remember that, but at the same time, students can remind them with their checkbook.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 10:51 am
Has anyone else noticed that Florida is the common theme to all of these Liberal-Conservative issue threads?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Thu 24 Mar, 2005 11:02 am
Baldimo wrote:
I think this is a great bill. It should bring a level playing field to students against the elite in the Universities. I'm sure once this gets going, that most if not most of the professors will change the way the treat students.


You use the word elite like I would use the word pedophile in the context of your post. Who do you suggest teaches our children at the University level? The AAMCO man? Or maybe just graduates of Bob Jones University?

I would suggest that the religious right who seem to be below the surface if not right up front of all this type of legislation and ideas for remaking America are nothing if not an elitist group. At least that's how they present as seeing themselves. Who is more of an elitist than the people who have the fast and only track to Heaven?

I suppose a pendulum has to swing both extreme right and extreme left before it settles in the middle but it seems like everytime it looks as though it might be ready to settle, someone is standing on either side to give it a shove. <sigh>
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