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Obstructionism: the ultimate trump card?

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2018 04:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
....today. That was proven by Trump ascendency to the presidency with his history of racial bigotry in NYC.
No such history of bigotry.

cicerone imposter wrote:
His speech about "both sides having good people" exposed his bigotry to the world.
Pointing out that southerners are good people is hardly bigotry. The bigots are liberals who hate southerners.

cicerone imposter wrote:
His wall, his "Mexicans are criminals and rapists," doesn't take any imagination to label him for who he is.
Trump said no such thing. Border security doesn't make him a bigot either.

cicerone imposter wrote:
His ban on all Muslims wasn't just bigotry, it was against the US Constitution.
No such ban.

cicerone imposter wrote:
His respect and admiration for Putin for all the world to see can't leave anyone's imagination in the dark.
If you hate Russia and want to have a nuclear war, run for president. If you're elected you will have the power to launch your war.

cicerone imposter wrote:
At least, Trump's approval rating is one of the lowest in contemporary history. It should really be lower than HW Bush's.
History will remember "people who hated Trump" the same way it remembers "people who hated Lincoln".
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KingReef
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2018 05:29 pm
@InfraBlue,
If you are going to tell me that the Republican Party became a refuge for white racist southern Democrats it isn't going to fly. I can't say that some Democrats thought Barry Goldwater was a single issue racist, though the Democrat racists were.

Another shift right now would seem to be the Democrats walking away from the Democratic Party. They noticed the shift in the liberalism of the Democrats going Left, and are completely disenfranchised by the current Democratic leaders. Does that make the Republican Party Democrat. It means the shift was enough to push voters away from what they felt comfortable in supporting. It doesn't mean they don't think Food Stamps is a good thing, it only means that their former party offends them.

I hope something I said rings true with you. I get tired of debating. I know I cannot refrain from all debate on sites like this, it's just some people live in it. I don't like living in it. I only debate when I either feel like it, but I don't like debating people who aren't open to ideas, I don't want to be the only one. We should all know we don't have it all figured out, so I look to serve the truth, rather than make the truth serve me. I'm not a politician, after all.
maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2018 07:47 pm
@KingReef,
KingReef wrote:
If you are going to tell me that the Republican Party became a refuge for white racist southern Democrats it isn't going to fly.


Why won't the truth "fly?"
KingReef
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2018 10:52 pm
@maporsche,
Are you done? Because you aren't going to change my mind with that. What you call truth isn't truth. I've known Republicans all my life, and I know you aren't talking about any of them. All I've ever seen was Democrats trying to get everyone to think the Republicans were racists. I guess you took the bait.
maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2018 10:55 pm
@KingReef,
Well, no. We are specfically talking about the senators and representatives who left the Democratic party after the Civil Rights Act was passed and became Republican's in the southern states. They did this in protest of the passage of the Civil Rights Act.

That. Actually. Happened.

It's the truth. It's a fact. If you want, we can name actual names.



Has nothing to do with who you know.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 11 Oct, 2018 11:05 pm
@KingReef,
I'm going to ask you a question.

If you see a confederate flag flying, SS tattoo wearing, bald white guy with a nazi symbol on his arm....

What bumper sticker do you think you're more likely see on his Chevy pickup truck:

a) I'm with Her
b) Make America Great Again


Or last election, you think he was an Obama voter?




***note, these are gross generalizations/stereotypes and I'm in no way suggesting that ALL republicans or Trump supporters are racists. .... I am suggesting that almost all neo-Nazi's are Trump supporters though.
coluber2001
 
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2018 12:45 am
Andy Borowitz investigates Kavanaugh's drinking.


livinglava
 
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2018 05:00 am
@coluber2001,
coluber2001 wrote:

Andy Borowitz investigates Kavanaugh's drinking.

[youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pBGAKBVUXfY[/youtube]


Cool, let's repeal the 21st amendment and launch an entire new department devoted to investigating alcohol consumption and supply chains everywhere.
KingReef
 
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2018 08:43 am
@maporsche,
You already telegraphed the answer you are expecting me to give.

I think we got off-topic.
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2018 08:44 am
@KingReef,
I would have been surprised if you had given a different answer.

But, I was right. You agree with me.
KingReef
 
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2018 10:07 am
@maporsche,
Yes. We agree. But I think we are off topic.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2018 10:28 am
@livinglava,
Quote:
Cool, let's repeal the 21st amendment and launch an entire new department devoted to investigating alcohol consumption and supply chains everywhere.


I am pretty sure the point is that Kavanaugh lied in a congressional hearing before congress which is against the law.

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revelette1
 
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2018 10:33 am
@maporsche,
Oh well according to Kayne West wearing a slogan which said, "I'm with her" didn't make him feel he was a guy who was with his dad all the time. Trump gave him a cape with his MAGA hat and made him a superhero.

https://thinkprogress.org/kanye-west-accidentally-explains-role-misogyny-played-in-trumps-election-8c83047ab436/
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 12 Oct, 2018 12:59 pm
@revelette1,
I heard some of what Kanye said in the oval office yesterday.

It's not often that someone has a bigger case of Word Salad than Trump himself.

Trevor Noah made a joke on The Daily Show that he's happy that Kanye made Trump as confused as Trump makes the rest of America when he talks. Seemed spot on.
livinglava
 
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Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2018 05:45 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

I heard some of what Kanye said in the oval office yesterday.

It's not often that someone has a bigger case of Word Salad than Trump himself.

Trevor Noah made a joke on The Daily Show that he's happy that Kanye made Trump as confused as Trump makes the rest of America when he talks. Seemed spot on.

This 'word salad' ridicule is very similar to the 'damned mob of scribbling women' ridicule of female writers:

Take a look at this blog quote and see if you don't recognize your own ridicule of Trump and West as 'word salad' in political discourse in the ridicule of female writers in 19th century literary discourse:
Quote:
In a class I am teaching this semester–“Mad Geniuses and Scribblers: Portrayals of the Author in Nineteenth-Century America”–we read some samples of the criticism that was directed at women who ventured into print in the 1850s, beginning with Hawthorne’s famous diatribe against the “damned mob of scribbling women.” I noticed that many of the female students seemed to be squirming in their seats and grimacing. When one swore, after I read one particularly virulent quote, I stopped and asked how they were feeling about all of these negative comments. What ensued was a fascinating discussion about how such prejudices linger today and many women writers still feel like second-class citizens in the literary world.
https://anneboydrioux.com/222-2/

Why are you reproducing this same style of sexism/classism that was common against women against non-liberal-conformist men like West and Trump? Why can't you find a way to disagree with them respectfully and constructively while expressing your own opinion instead of reacting against them with the same virulent negativity that was levied against women? Why not raise the bar of political disagreement?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2018 02:44 pm
@livinglava,
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-language-level-speaking-skills-age-eight-year-old-vocabulary-analysis-a8149926.html
Quote:
News > World > Americas > US politics
Trump speaks at level of 8-year-old, new analysis finds
Mr Trump scores the lowest of any of the past 15 presidents
livinglava
 
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Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2018 02:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-language-level-speaking-skills-age-eight-year-old-vocabulary-analysis-a8149926.html
Quote:
News > World > Americas > US politics
Trump speaks at level of 8-year-old, new analysis finds
Mr Trump scores the lowest of any of the past 15 presidents


That was an ad hom tactic against GW Bush too. Anything to avoid paying attention to the actual content of the person's views, right?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2018 02:55 pm
@cicerone imposter,
All Gore was on MacNeil/Lehrer last night -- something to do with global warming. He still speaks at kindergarten level.
livinglava
 
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Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2018 02:56 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

All Gore was on MacNeil/Lehrer last night -- something to do with global warming. He still speaks at kindergarten level.

Read my lips: no new climate.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 13 Oct, 2018 02:58 pm
@livinglava,
There is no controlling legal authority.
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