Obstructionism: the ultimate trump card?

@livinglava,

livinglava wrote:

This is an easy form of prostitution because you don't have to have sex with anyone you don't want to.

I hope you will never have to find out exactly how that feels.

@neptuneblue,

neptuneblue wrote:

livinglava wrote:
This is an easy form of prostitution because you don't have to have sex with anyone you don't want to.

I hope you will never have to find out exactly how that feels.

Believe me I'm not trying to deny anyone's victimization or suffering. That is a big part of why it bothers me so much to see these people's sexual objectification commodified as political capital in the war to keep abortion legal. There are many pro-life women as well as men and they deserve an honest democratic discourse and not obstructionism and other desperate tactics to subvert the very possibility of legislating sexual practices that they deeply feel are wrong and not the result of independent choice at all but are rather pushed by very corrupt cultural-economic forces that are also behind the political use of sexuality.

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@livinglava,

There's always some sort of trigger for people. For you, it seems to be sexuality. For the most part, you feel people have a choice. And they choose a path that is detrimental to their well being.

Most people feel they don't have a choice. Or a voice. It gets buried in the multitude of other voices. Some say they deserve what they get. Others have their choices shoved upon them.

I think it's a combination of both. Life gets thrust upon you and you have to deal the best you can. Some support you, others condemn you. Mostly, it really doesn't matter what others think, you do what's right for you.

And yes, you ARE the perfect example to deny victimization. Own it.

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@Brandon9000,

So, she's a false witness? Where did you get that information?

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@InfraBlue,

Brandon kept a dairy.

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@Brandon9000,

Quote Brandon:

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So, if I suddenly claim that you committed crimes you didn't commit and I have no evidence of it whatever, you're going to delay your life to ask for an investigation and forego that great new job you were about to get?

Conservatives have been pulling this garbage since Trump took office.

The witness does not have to produce evidence. The witness IS evidence.

Conservatives have been acting like a case has to be proven BEFORE it is investigated. That's why they were so angry that Mueller was conducting an investigation without the evidence being presented. But the whole idea of an investigation is to produce the evidence, if it exists. You do not need conclusive evidence to investigate. The investigation finds the evidence to bring a case to court and have a chance of winning.

If people followed the conservatives' cockamamie ideas, nobody would be convicted because all the people who report a crime would also have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the crime occurred as they said it did or else the authorities won't investigate.

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@livinglava,

Quote livinglava:

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Her story is being used as political ammunition in a partisan war against abortion reform.

Any room in your mental universe for the possibility that her story is true? Nah, you have your mind on Great Principles, you can't be bothered with what is true or not.

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@livinglava,

I agree with the idea that Kavanaugh is being lied about. I see Feinstein as being the instigator of a play; bearing false witness on an innocent man.

I see in the news media the tendency to play a game of false positive polling, in other words, it appears to me that the Democrats are trying to promote their success in future voting that failed them and humiliated them in 2016. So they are either convinced or are trying to convince Democrat voters that they have the advantage in future election results before the elections happen. I wonder if the reaction will be the same as post election 2016?

With what is slowly evolving in the Russian Collusion investigation, and the apparent witch hunt of anyone Trump, all these issues concerning Democrat fraudulent actions in a strategy of obstruction could have an unforeseen effect on future elections. So if the obstruction strategy goes on; the Republicans fall for it every single time it's tried, then I think the Democrats may be successful in the elections. If more Democrats are caught with perjury, hypocrisy (especially sexual misconduct), fired for unprofessional or even seditious behavior, then I think the future elections should go well for the country.

Sometimes I think I'm watching the Democratic party becoming extinct.

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@KingReef,

Avenatti does not lie. He has the goods on Kavanaugh, and many people trust and believe him, and that includes me. https://people.com/politics/michael-avenatti-brett-kavanaugh-gang-rapes-high-school/

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@cicerone imposter,

The Creepy Porn Lawyer doesn't inspire me with confidence. Weird that the Left wants to trust him. But I guess it makes sense with all else they say.

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@cicerone imposter,

Who is he claiming to represent?
What evidence does he claim to have?
Why is he withholding the info from the SJC?

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@KingReef,

KingReef and mm. Please provide anything that Avenatti has done that is not factual or legal? Creepy porn lawyer doesn't say anything about Avenatti, but says a lot about you!@. Michael Avenatti
(@MichaelAvenatti)
I represent a woman with credible information regarding Judge Kavanaugh and Mark Judge. We will be demanding the opportunity to present testimony to the committee and will likewise be demanding that Judge and others be subpoenaed to testify. The nomination must be withdrawn.

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@cicerone imposter,

mm: Who is he claiming to represent? A: Stormy Daniels
mm: What evidence does he claim to have? A: He'll answer that in a court of law.
mm: Why is he withholding the info from the SJC? A: That's his decision to make.

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@cicerone imposter,

In 2017, a Florida man named Gerald Tobin alleged Avenatti failed to pay him $28,700 for private investigatory work. As a result, Avenatti's firm was abruptly forced into bankruptcy.[46] In various news reports, including work done by CNN, Tobin was found to be an ex-con with four decades of convictions and jail time and not a licensed investigator. Tobin's claim forced Avenatti into bankruptcy which caused Avenatti to cancel a deposition in an unrelated lawsuit days later, raising the question of collusion between Avenatti and Tobin. The issue was resolved when the pair entered into a Non-Disclosure Agreement, and Avenatti paid Tobin the $28,700.[46]

In 2018, Avenatti's law firm was subjected to a $10 million judgment in U.S. bankruptcy court.[47] Avenatti has also defaulted on a $440,000 judgment in back taxes, penalties, and interest that he was personally obligated to pay under another bankruptcy settlement. The U.S. Attorney's office asserted in court that a motion seeking payment would soon be filed against Avenatti.[47] Eagan Avenatti had been in Chapter 11 bankruptcy proceedings and, in December 2017, had agreed to pay $4.8 million in unpaid fees to a former partner, $2 million in back taxes, and $1 million to other creditors.[48] In June 2018, the former partner filed a motion in U.S. bankruptcy court asking for a lien on any and all legal fees Avenatti's firm might collect, up to $10 million, from clients in 54 cases including his representation of Stormy Daniels.[49]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Avenatti#Career

Avenatti’s past is littered with lawsuits, jilted business partners and bankruptcy filings. People who have worked with the lawyer described him to TheDCNF as ruthless, greedy and unbothered by ethical questions.

Dillanos Coffee CEO David Morris claimed last Tuesday that Avenatti never paid him for over $160,000 worth of coffee that Dillanos supplied to Avenatti’s company. “So @StormyDaniels hot shot lawyer Michael owes my small company @Dillanos $160,179 for coffee,” Morris wrote on Twitter. “He talks a big talk about integrity. We trusted him.”

“Michael Avenatti owned Tully’s coffee. They were a large chain of coffee shops. We are a wholesale roaster. We supplied his coffee. The $160,000 represented only a few weeks worth of beans. We cut him off when he wouldn’t pay, he had to close,” Morris explained in a subsequent tweet.
The Daily Caller News Foundation on Thursday interviewed Avenatti over the phone on several topics including Morris’s accusations, which Avenatti denied. “I don’t owe Dillanos coffee anything. I personally don’t owe them anything,” he said. “So that’s nonsense.”

But just three hours later, Morris announced that he had deleted his original tweet after working out “an arrangement” with Avenatti.
https://dailycaller.com/2018/05/13/michael-avenatti-past-history/

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

The conservatives throw up tu quoque fallacies about Clinton--as though his turpitude would excuse that of Kavanaugh; and they are assuming the accusers are false witnesses, after claiming that Kavanaugh is innocent, simply because he says he is. We're to take his word, but dismiss anyone woman who makes an accusation.

The lovely irony here is McConnell and the Senate Judiciary committee saying in 2016 that they would not even convene a hearing to consider any Obama nominee--there's obstructionism in fine style. Hey conservatives, do you remember that one?

I do remember! I have a question for you. Which would be morally worse, refusing to vote on someone's appointment or finding people to lie and accuse him falsely of crimes to quash the appointment?

There isn't any evidence to support Dr. Ford's claim. There are no witnesses and she didn't tell anyone when it happened. There is no evidence except the claim itself. Anyone can accuse anyone of anything, but without a particle of evidence to support the accusation, it's not even worth delaying the hearings for. What's next, someone claims that Neil Gorsuch robbed him in an alley 40 years ago, but has no evidence or witnesses?

Do you want to live in a world in which routinely the party out of power finds/hires liars to frame anyone from the party in power whom they want out of an appointment?

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@Blickers,

Blickers wrote:

Quote Brandon:

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So, if I suddenly claim that you committed crimes you didn't commit and I have no evidence of it whatever, you're going to delay your life to ask for an investigation and forego that great new job you were about to get?
Conservatives have been pulling this garbage since Trump took office.

The witness does not have to produce evidence. The witness IS evidence.

Conservatives have been acting like a case has to be proven BEFORE it is investigated. That's why they were so angry that Mueller was conducting an investigation without the evidence being presented. But the whole idea of an investigation is to produce the evidence, if it exists. You do not need conclusive evidence to investigate. The investigation finds the evidence to bring a case to court and have a chance of winning.

If people followed the conservatives' cockamamie ideas, nobody would be convicted because all the people who report a crime would also have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the crime occurred as they said it did or else the authorities won't investigate.

That's a straw man argument. I didn't say that the accuser has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that his/her accusation is true. I am saying that if person A accuses person B of a crime and has zero evidence of any kind, the police might briefly look into it, but B's life should not be seriously disrupted until such time as there is at least a little evidence that he did something wrong.

If I accuse someone, for instance someone I knew years ago and didn't like, of robbing people at gunpoint and have zero evidence that it happened, should that person's life be turned upside down?

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@coluber2001,

coluber2001 wrote:

Kavanaugh missed his chance to drop out. He could have made some bullshit excuse to bow out, but now he's in deep. He deserves to be ruined.

Outlawing the Democratic Party in America will end their witch hunts against innocent people who disagree with them.

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@cicerone imposter,

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The outrageous obstruction of Merrick Garland's nomination to the Supreme Court -- the 10-month-long stonewall by Senate Republicans that not only stymied the high court's ability to do its job but effectively stole the nomination of a new justice from President Obama

Hardly outrageous. The Democrats started a fight when they blocked Bush's nominees for no reason in 2006-08. They simply got a dose of their own medicine.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

The conservatives throw up tu quoque fallacies about Clinton--as though his turpitude would excuse that of Kavanaugh;

I do not agree that tu quoque should be regarded as a fallacy. As far as I'm concerned, if the charges against Kavanaugh are true, the Democrats' excusing of Bill Clinton also excuses Kavanaugh.

Setanta wrote:

and they are assuming the accusers are false witnesses, after claiming that Kavanaugh is innocent, simply because he says he is. We're to take his word, but dismiss anyone woman who makes an accusation.

Well, it is clear to me that the entire feminist movement is just a political weapon for damaging innocent conservatives with false accusations.

Setanta wrote:

The lovely irony here is McConnell and the Senate Judiciary committee saying in 2016 that they would not even convene a hearing to consider any Obama nominee--there's obstructionism in fine style. Hey conservatives, do you remember that one?

That was justified revenge for the Democrats' blocking of Bush's nominees in 2006-08.

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Man gets ‘pass’ after pleading guilty in strangulation, sex assault of woman
POSTED 10:32 AM, SEPTEMBER 24, 2018, BY TRIBUNE MEDIA WIRE

ANCHORAGE, Alaska – A man in Anchorage, Alaska, pleaded guilty to assaulting a woman who said he strangled her unconscious and sexually assaulted her.

The man then walked out of court with no prison sentence.

“But I would like the gentleman to be on notice that this is his one pass,” prosecutor Andrew Grannik said in court Wednesday, CNN affiliate KTVA reported. “It’s not really a pass, but given the conduct, one might consider that it is.”

Justin Schneider, 34, was accused of kidnapping and assaulting the woman on August 15, 2017, strangling her until she lost consciousness and then masturbating on her, court documents show.

Grannik said Schneider had lost his job as an air traffic controller for the federal government as a result of the case. Grannik said that was a “life sentence,” according to KTVA.

The criminal complaint said the victim, who did not know Schneider, told police she was at a gas station when he offered to give her a ride. The woman, who was attempting to get to her boyfriend’s home, accepted. Schneider then drove the victim to another location and attacked her, she said.

At one point, Schneider told the victim he would kill her if she screamed, the complaint alleged.

“She said she could not fight him off, he was too heavy and had her down being choked to death,” the complaint said. “(The victim) said she lost consciousness, thinking she was going to die.”

When the victim woke up, she told police, “The man told her that he wasn’t really going to kill her, that he needed her to believe she was going to die so that he could be sexually fulfilled,” the complaint says.

The victim recorded the plate number of Schneider’s car as he drove off and she reported it to police.

Schneider was charged with four felonies, including kidnapping and assault. He pleaded guilty to a single felony assault charge in the second degree in exchange for a sentence of two years with one suspended, plus three years probation. Schneider received credit for time served while wearing an ankle monitor and living with his wife and two children.

“I would just like to emphasize how grateful I am for this process,” Schneider said, not mentioning the impact on the victim, KTVA reported. “It has given me a year to really work on myself and become a better person, and a better husband, and a better father, and I’m very eager to continue that journey.”

Judge Michael Corey accepted the deal, noting the outcome of the case could be described as “breathtaking.” He said his decision was based on the prospect of rehabilitation.

He also told Schneider, “This can never happen again.”

The victim was not in court.

Grannik said he tried to tell her about the hearing but could not reach her.

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