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Dubya

 
 
Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2003 04:45 am
Remember the good old days (two years ago) when the world, for the most part, respected the US and it's people? How can killing innocent men women and children, ever restore the loss of world opinion?

Where is our appointed leader leading us???


http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2003-03-03-anti-american-usat_x.htm
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New Haven
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2003 05:40 am
Do you remember the WTC and the 3000 inocents who died there?
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2003 06:01 am
Do you realize that there is no proof of a link between the two events?
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2003 06:35 am
Mr.Haven,


How's the brimstone

We are awake ... We are here ... We are aware of our pain .... We know you are reading
this ....

YOU HAVE FAILED YOU HEARTLESS BASTARD SONS OF DOGS

AMERICA WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED BY COWARDICE .....

YOU BEAR THE WEIGHT OF YOUR ACTIONS ... NOT YOUR GOD ....

Of course by now you know this. We will in time heal, as we are wont to do ... but you,
you now live in a world that you created in your last instant in this one, a world of
death pain and fire ... live long in your world .....



http://nytimes.abuzz.com/interaction/s.223470/




Yes, I remember .... I thought the looming war was about weapons.
There have been no ties of 9/11 and Iraq.
Iraq is disarming.

Are you going to contribute or kibitz?
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New Haven
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2003 02:17 pm
What you mean is that we haven't been told of a link between them. Right?
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Kara
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2003 04:37 pm
New Haven, I am surprised at your post. The implication is that "they" killed 3000 of ours, so we are justified in killing at least that many Iraqi innocents, when there is a tenuous connection if any at all between Saddam Hussein and the al-Qaeda terrorists?

Some one said, An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world will be blind.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2003 05:38 pm
"Bush said the overthrow of Hussein would help bring peace to the Middle East. I truly hope that he is right this time. But, like the tax cut that was supposed to improve the economy, the budget that was not going to result in massive deficits, the lack of response to the energy crisis that was supposedly not caused by the greed of energy brokers, the invisible reform of executive stock-option policy that was going to put the market back on its feet and the foreign policy that was not going to make the United States the most disliked country on the planet, I guess we'll find out soon enough."
--Richard S. Marken, Letters to the Editor, latimes.com, 02/28/03
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New Haven
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2003 06:32 pm
Kara:

If that comment is in the Bible, it must be the word of God. Am I right?
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2003 06:40 pm
No, you're not.

http://bushspeaks.com/images/bush_prays.jpg
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2003 08:54 pm
utterly abashed and flummoxed :wink:
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Kara
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2003 09:06 pm
NH, 'taint in the Book. No way. But it is in some book, somewhere..
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2003 05:38 am
Enronomics
MUWAHAHAHAHA
pdiddle, howd you do that?

Kara .... 'taint'? Smile Smile
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New Haven
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2003 05:43 am
Kara:

Please read Genesis.
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Kara
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2003 07:12 am
Quote:
Mahatma Gandhi
If we practice an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, soon the whole world will be blind and toothless


New Haven, I'll bet I was reading Genesis before you were born. Smile
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New Haven
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2003 07:19 am
Kara:

May be I was too!
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Kara
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2003 08:04 pm
Gelisgesti, wherefor goest thou? Whither thou goest might be here:

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1048&start=4070
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2003 01:34 pm
(from William Saletan in Slate:)

But sometimes, things aren't black and white. Sometimes they're gray. When the governments of France, China, or Mexico don't see things your way, you have to start the process of persuasion by understanding where they're coming from. That's where Clinton was at his best and Bush is at his worst. Four times at his press conference, Bush was asked why other countries weren't seeing things our way. Four times, he had no idea.

"I pray daily," Bush told the press corps. "I pray for guidance and wisdom and strength."

Oh, well. Two out of three ain't bad.

Gray Matter: Bush's Incomprehension of Foreign Viewpoints
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Kara
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2003 02:24 pm
pDiddie, Laughing

Maybe laughter will keep us from crying.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2003 09:14 pm
How much is George W. Bush willing to give up for this war?

He appears ready to compromise any competing U.S. interest.

NATO is unlikely to retain its former cohesion after the breach caused by this war, which has weakened the commonality of purpose and values that have sustained collective security since World War II.

Relations with France and Germany, countries likened to Libya and Cuba by the incontinent Donald Rumsfeld?-harmed, possibly beyond repair.

Tony Blair?-put at risk of losing office, should the war go badly. Blair wants Saddam disarmed. But he has another motive in backing Bush, according to government sources cited by The Financial Times. That is to contain Bush?-to stop him from destroying the international order by proceeding on the unilateral path to war advocated by Cheney and Rumsfeld, whose speeches last summer galvanized Blair (and Colin Powell) to pressure Bush to seek UN backing. Bush got that backing, but on false grounds, using a Security Council resolution to disarm Iraq as cover for sending an army to the Middle East to remove Saddam Hussein and occupy his country.

Asked last Friday to define the objectives of U.S. policy, White House spokesman Ari Fleischer dropped all pretense of disarmament OR regime change, the choice implicit in Resolution 1441; now "it's disarmament and regime change." To win votes for a second resolution triggering war with Iraq, the United States is turning the Security Council into a hock shop, dangling bribes before the nonpermanent members. The U.S. bribed and, according to one report, threatened to punish Turkey as part of its campaign to use Turkish territory to attack Iraq from the north. But pressure from a public 95 percent opposed to the war has, at this writing, persuaded the Turkish parliament to reject the multi-billion-dollar deal. "The relationship is spoiled," a member of the governing party told The New York Times. "The Americans dictated to us." The Kurds?-betrayed as part of our bribe of the Turks. The U.S. not only agreed to allow up to 80,000 Turkish troops to advance as far as 250 kilometers inside Iraqi Kurdistan, ostensibly to fend off an inrush of Kurdish refugees harried by the war, but also to allow these troops to disarm the Kurd militias after the war.

The Arab nations?-ignored; their fears of internal instability dismissed.

The war on terror?-rendered problematic. Terrorism grows by provoking state violence; a U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq is Osama bin Laden's dream.

Homeland security, fiscal sobriety, economic recovery, spending on education, health care, scientific research?-all casualties of war.

The Atlantic
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Kara
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2003 09:16 pm
Yes, yes, and yes.
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